Whether it's on the atheist or whichever.......Wow so now truth is not based on objectivity but is based on how many people supports you?

Wow just Wow.

Whether I act as a leader or whatever, what in the world does it concern you?

You want to start suggesting what sort of food I should eat or how I should use the toilet?

Is that what you want to do?

I've said what I wanted to say.

I will stop here and I forgive you sylar111 for what you've done to me.

I do this because I want to submit to God and not have hate rule over me.

In the mean time I will pray for you.

Is your church the BIGGEST in Malaysia that people feel insecure about it? When I was in Malaysia, locals told me that they feel annoyed when their church are not as "popular" or "Big" as other churches. 

Its not about becoming Big per se too. Of course immoral activities are not allowed. What are you implying?

Dude, is there anything about UW church that you find is disturbing you?

I'm sure there's a church council in Malaysia for any complaints, eh?

Well, sorry to say you don't get to decide whether God answers my prayers or not.

Last I checked.....what you've said about God not answering my prayers is not true and has never been true.

But I will pray for God to change you and hopefully you will repent.

And further more what you said about people leaving me in this thread......well.

It's alive tonight for some reason.

And I'm happy. 

UW, it is wrong that you deleted Desmond comments too. He is not partially wrong. But, Desmond, you don't have to respond rudely to UW too.

If this is in real life, both of you don't have to be a behave like a bitch about it.

We have a German saying, "Taten sagen mehr als worte." It mean "actions speak more than words."

Both of you should move from this. I don't want to spend my time reading about all this nonsense on a public forum. If one of you is still bitter, then ask youself why are you still bitter?

If Desmond still think UW is a "fake teacher", then explain with proof how is he a fake teacher? Honestly, I didn't know if UW is faking it all this time. Explain in details, don't just say he is a fake teacher. Don't assume or falsely accuse.

You know I don't side with anybody.

Hi guys,

A bit late to the discussion between unkwonwarrior and mr wong, but would just like to contribute a little.

From my understanding, salvation is a complete and perfect gift from God. What God started, He will finish until we see His glory in the end (Romans 8). God does not give a half baked salavation.

Point: salvation cannot be revoked, once saved always saved.

The verses that deal with Christians who seemingly can fall out of grace/salvation, most of them deal with false christians who never had the salvation at all. They have no obedience to the Lordship of Christ, they enjoy in their sin etc.

Point: these false christians(plenty today) were never really christians to begin with.

But real Christians can sin. Repenting is part of sanctification, but it doensnt mean that if you die with one sin that you havent repent of, you will go to hell.

Just to sum it up,

True Faith = salvation + works

You do not need any works to achieve salvation, but after salvation, if your faith is true, your works will flow out.

Let me rephrase that, hebrews was written to jewish christians AND fence sitters.

Does that solve the problem?
www.gotquestions.org/amp/Book-of-Hebrews.html

so book of James is also only for Jews?

seriously?

Cant go too deep with you, Im no bible scholar

Just want to add here, the jews are the only people who have seen Jesus' and his miracles, yet rejected him. This is also isaiah's prophecy. If anyone can blaspheme the Spirit, the jews can.

Anyway are you Armenian? I can't say Ive met any armenians before

Any good podcasts/resources that help me teach the bible? Like in youth fellowship/small group situations.

I find 'Help me teach the bible' by Gospel Coalition pretty good. But are there anymore?

A lot of the bible study podcasts are more knowledge driven - diving deep into the words, cultural/historical context, meanings, translations. I would prefer one that is more application driven.

TQ

Sorry if you feel offended, if getting an answer from a 3rd party does not sit well with you. It was not my intention to garner support from outsiders, but to expand my view & also to learn whether the pastor's responses would be in line with mine to you. I apologize  .

Moving on to your response, I find the RED highlighted very difficult to digest & accept. It is simply illogical. 

Are you then, not in effect, saying that, just because one professes to believe in Jesus Christ, he has an unfair and HUGE advantage over the fornicating non-believer?

Would not, an unbeliever respond in disgust, & say, "Oh! just because you're a Christian, you can fornicate all you want, & get to heaven?"  BUT i'm a fornicator just like you, but i don't get heaven because i don't believe in Jesus?"

pehkay, can you not see the ludicrousness of this situation? Your presentation of this point is utterly ridiculous! It would even be more absurd if one who calls himself a Christian would be willing to ACCEPT that view! 

And i'm also confused with the BLUE highlighted. Never in my years of attending different protestant churches have i been taught this!

You're telling me there's a 3rd option? Because my Bible tells me if you don't make it to heaven, the alternative is hell. 

Perhaps your "Kingdom of Heaven" definition is different from mine. That's why i asked you what is outer darkness by your definition in my previous post. 

1) What are the "manifestation of kingdom of the heavens", like you put it?   

2) What do you mean by " will not inherit the kingdom of God"?  Is the kingdom of God not heaven?

I only understand that the sinning unrepentant Christian goes to hell for the Bible says "will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 24:51

Perhaps you're looking too much into what 1 Cor. 3:15 doesn't say? 

Your brand of Christianity will appeal to the wrong crowd.

Anyway, thanks for taking the effort to give me a long drawn out answer. It's much appreciated  . I can clearly see what all of our stances are, be it pehkay, UW, or zanness.

I knw we're all busy ppl in real life. So yes, i'll just have to live in peace with the majority of the Calvinist in here.

I guess i'm an Arminian until i get to heaven, then i'll be a Calvinist 
Thank You All!

Does it matter whose teaching we decided to follow? Does it matter to you why alot of members here disagree with you? You should think about it before you force your own theology theories on others

Of all things

Christ likely lead a very ordinary jewish life before he was recognised by john the baptist as the messiah. Just working and going to the synagogue?

Once again.... For this statement, I have seen many typical old fashioned or conventional Christians saying about this. Come on....

If one doesn't seek riches in which many sees money as a momentum motivator... better..

1) don't send your kids to good education and become lawyers, doctors, accountants and earn good salary in the future. better just read the bible and seek God truths, learn his Words everyday and be a normal guy earning RM2K a month is enough.

2) just drive a Viva for the rest of your life... why bother earning more to upgrade a Civic or Audi? What's wrong with pursuing your dreams to drive a better car with the better money you have obtained?

3) why even bother to invest in stocks, properties to accumulate your wealth?

4) why Christians even bother to start a business in which money...and only money that drive profits is the main KPI this corporate world.

5) why so many famous Datuks, CEOs, rich business owners and tycoons that makes tons of money every single day are good Christians??

I see nothing wrong when one pursue profits, pursue riches and accumulate tons of wealth and wealth... as long as it is not obtained in an illegal way.

I am a Christian myself and I always seek ways to accumulate wealth, and I have 2 businesses... Maybe for those Christians that against me, they can better just study the Bible daily, pursue God's kingdom....live an ordinary life, get a RM2k salary a month... buy the cheapest smartphone like Xiaomi, just stay in some low cost units for the rest of your life, give your kids a simple meal daily (no need to go fancy expensive restaurants to have an expensive meal), drive a Viva and hope God will provide the rest...

Answer me this question.

Are you willing to provide your family nasi lemak which cost RM2 a plate for the rest of your life? or bringing your kids out to enjoy at fancy restaurants every weekend?
Are you ok if your kids drive a Kancil and no motivation to seek more money while seeing others kids get better salaried jobs and live a better life?

I am not sure about your thoughts, your thoughts seems to be very biased towards those Christians for are rich....
every person has different goals or dreams to achieve in life.
what's the big deal here if one decided to go for money even though he or she is a Christian?
Well, for me I think there is nothing wrong for Christians to spend RM200 to makan at a restaurant than to spend RM20 on a roadside stall...
maybe your dreams is just to live an ordinary life... but for me, I go for many things in life and yes riches and money is one of them, healthy living is another, and many others.
and one day if God decided to take my wealth away like you said, so be it.... I can't do much too since it's God's decision... but at least I did tried to pursue my dreams and I have no regrets before leaving earth for heaven.

I made too much assumptions? How about yourself?
Did your arguments even come with substance in the first place?
Then what makes you think that I will not go to heaven even I am rich? Are you here to judge?

What makes you think I have no money?
Did I even say you are poor? On the other hand, you seems that you are discouraging someone who intend to build wealth while yourself is wealthy?

I mean is your dreams really special? There are much greater dreams then just being rich and being healthy.
Does my dreams really special have anything to do with you? Well, maybe I might not have big dreams like you... as I like to keep my profile low.
As I mentioned in my previous post, everyone has different dreams to pursue, be it big, small or great dreams.

Your view is a shallow one actually even from a secular perspective.
Yes, I may not be as educated as you.
Anyhow, your arguments seems to be full of contradictions and inconsistencies and lack substance.

I really wonder do you always judge people just based on assumptions???