Yes. I meant it as a joke.

No need for being envy. I think of Bitcoin as a fast way to make money, that's all. I made money and lost money through Bitcoin. But I'm not obssessed with it. I believed it will collapse, just like everything else. lol

Yeah thanks for that explanation.

But according to RC, its works of men. We don't know if the works are genuine or otherwise. What I'm referring to is genuine faith in Christ that produces good works.

Again, Protestant don't believe in purgatory. Well it still sound like payment of sins. Then why penance existed? lol
I see it as Catholics can pay their penance either now or during Purgatory.
Hmm, no wonder Sylar is jealous because being a Catholic has many benefits. No offense yeeck.

Just like debts, you need to settle before it is due. You can't settle your debt in the afterlife.

Sylar watches a Youtuber which used to hate Catholics. lol. I used to think that the Pope was the false prophet. lol

Well fundametally Catholics believed in eating the bread of Eucharist to be saved. Protestants believed in trusting in Jesus for salvation.

Abstinence is good. However, these abstinence are human traditions. So do you eat fish instead? Because according to the English definition, meat refer to any flesh.

Seven Day Adventists don't believe in eating pork but then again the Bible didn't say you can't eat pork. That rule is only applicable to the Israelites.

This post has been edited by tinarhian: Mar 1 2018, 10:22 PM

Actually not used to. He hates the Catholic even now.

Oh yeah. I just finished watching that video too. lol.

How is the video


This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 2 2018, 09:55 AM

On not eating meat. Well. I find it ironic actually. 1 timothy 4:3 kjv I insist. Actually see the niv as well and tell me the obvious difference. You see, you should know by now that kjv is very different from the other versions. It's not just arrr a much better translation. I mean people keep on saying kjv has errors. Tell me now which one has errors just based on that verse itself. The niv obviously has something to "hide". The kjv is actually "prophetic " in this verse itself. I do not really even bother to "fight" catholic doctrines because it is so obvious. It's not really a doctrinal issue any more. I mean you dun go tell a Buddhist that their doctrines are wrong right? Telling Catholics their doctrines are wrong is the wrong approach because if they really wanted to know the truth, they would have actually have found it by now. Note I am not praising the protestants. I dun think at this point they are much better as well.

Yeah, I am very jealous.

And yeah this YouTuber had changed his views on the Pope. He thinks that the Pope is going to be the Antichrist.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 2 2018, 10:27 AM

Still no idea who you're talking about.. apologies.. obviously I don't follow pastors but rather i follow the Word of God more...

When in your context, it sounds more as in you are massaging the weight of sin..sinning in the event of necessity.. so that's ok.. oh i lied, im still saved.. no no you killed, cos my sin is better than yours so i get to still be saved, but you're no longer saved? when has sin had such denomination? In the new testament, there's sin unto death, and then there's .. sin..

And in your context of.. blasphemy.. different types of sin... murder... isn't it clear Matthew 12:31 ,"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”

Did Jesus say.. no... just the sin of lying is forgiven... i forgave you before in murder.. but then the next time around no... i wont forgive u? does sound.. funny right?

cos to God, sin IS sin.. its not separated by the weight of it.. black is black.. however intense black is.. its black.

Actually. There are degrees of sin. Like you said. There are actually sin unto death.
Obviously me not revealing personal information to you is not going to be as bad as say I harm your parents.

Thing is, Remaining in sin does not mean that you are no longer in saved. Remaining in sin probably mean you are not saved in the first place.
If you think that someone can claim to be a Christian and still continue to actually murder or even commit homosexual acts, there is something really wrong. That is why there is a need of repentance when someone claims to be saved.

Of course, all manner of sins will be forgiven but then how can the sins of someone who is unsaved be forgiven.

Well. How about
1 John 3:8
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Do you think this verse applies to people who remains a murderer and a homosexual?

So how are you going to make sense of it?

Another thing I would want to challenge you,
Hebrew 11:31
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
Rahab technically lied to the pursurers. Why was she praised for her "lies"?

I mean even as Christians, God chastisement is also going to be different depending on the sins right? For example, do you expect God chatisement to be great if say you "lie" to someone else just so as not to reveal certain information to him as compared to another preacher who actually lies in their preaching for money.

It's one thing to be dogmatic, but I think the Bible is a living and spiritual book dun you think?

This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 2 2018, 08:41 AM

The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not lack. Psalms 23.

When God prospers the person...there are no side effects. God's way is holistic and perfect.

It's no point for you to use the first 30 years or 40 years of your life, using your health and your energy to look for all the wealth in this world, only to use back all your wealth in the next 30 years or 40 years trying to gain back your health that you lost in the years you struggle to be wealthy in this world.

It is works done by men under the state of grace (which can only be given by God). When you say you are referring to genuine faith in Christ that produces good works would that be works of men or works of God? LOL.

Of course I know Prots don't believe in Purgatory. Just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Penance and purgatory are quite related. One can be done in this life, another in the next. But the crucial thing to remember is that the sins were already forgiven. Yes indeed, the Church gives out lots of benefits for the use of the faithful, it is only sad and lamentable that some just refuse to use the means given by the Church

I don't hate sylar, just feel pity for his way of thinking, twisting Scripture to his own destruction.

>Well fundametally Catholics believed in eating the bread of Eucharist to be saved. Protestants believed in trusting in Jesus for salvation.
LOL. Because Our Lord says eat His Body and drink His Blood. Who are we to question that? What's the point of believing and 'faith alone' but refuse to act on that faith?

The Christian tradition of fasts and abstinence developed from Old Testament practices, and were an integral part of the early church community. Early Christians practiced regular weekly fasts on Wednesdays and Fridays. It's up to you if you want to call it human traditions even if it has basis in Scripture. Anti-Catholics uses 1 Tim 4:3 to denounce Catholics, but in no way do Catholics avoid meat altogether for life! They incorrectly claim that it identifies the beliefs and practices of the Catholic Church as “doctrines of devils”. However, they have totally misunderstood the passage. It doesn’t in any way refer to Catholic teaching or to the disciplinary laws of the Catholic Church.

There is a definite meaning of this passage in 1 Timothy 4. It refers to the various dualist sects throughout Christian history. Examples of these were the Gnostics, the Manicheans, the Cathars, etc. They believed in two gods: one evil and one good. According to them, the evil god was the god of matter, and the good god was the god of the spirit. They developed a theology that was destructive to any use of material things, to a greater or lesser degree depending upon the sect and their zeal for it. Hence, they forbade marriage, abstained from meats, and preached poverty (for they held that ownership of material things was evil). The most devoted would even kill themselves to put an end to their material existence (nihilism anyone?). There’s no doubt that the passage refers to dualists, as a study of Christian history will confirm.

The Catholic Church, on the other hand, does not forbid marriage. Marriage is one of the seven sacraments. The Church also doesn’t forbid eating meat (except on Fridays and on certain days of the year out of devotion to the Lord). In fact, the Council of Florence declared that “no food, which society admits, is to be condemned”. Our Lord Jesus Christ did not marry, so did St. Paul himself. In 1 Cor. 7, St. Paul clearly teaches that the celibate state is superior to the married state. Are the Prots going to condemn Our Lord and St Paul for not marrying?

SDAs? They are just a modern form of the Judaizers.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 2 2018, 12:10 PM

Guess there will be more destruction awaiting for me then


Guess it is either you or me who is going to be right here. The one who is wrong is going to face dire consequences.
But then you probably know your chance of being right is really, really small.

yeeck

RCC acknowledge that Allah of the Muslims is the same Creator as Christians?

Find it fascinating that people who hates truth always find a way to defend their sins.
Romans 3:8

BTW, that verse(1 Tim 4:3) was posted to show how you guys are doing the things that God hates. But somehow you still manage to defend your sins. Fascinating.

And I am going to make you angry once more.

I do not need to call Paul a saint. Do you know why? Because I am a saint as well.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 2 2018, 03:35 PM

As you wish, Most Holy Sylar! I do not need to get angry because you are not the first anti-Catholic I've come across.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 2 2018, 04:29 PM

Should call The Most Revered Holy See better.

Every Born again believer have been changed from the status of sinner to saint.

That is correct.

but the character and conduct will take time to match but that doesn't change the status hood from God's POV as long as the believer's faith is still on Christ.

There is only one God creator of all whether Christian or otherwise.

However, "for all the gods of the Gentiles are devils" - Ps 96:5. The Islamic teaching that rejects the Trinity and Jesus as the Second Person of the Trinity would be false, thus in that sense they would not be worshipping the same God as we do.

Similarly, for Protestants to deny that Jesus said the consecrated bread and wine is truly His Body and His Blood would mean they worship a different Jesus from us.

Did you know that Islam was considered a Christian heresy of the 7th century back then?

Well. Dun degrade me by calling me Most Holy or The Most Reverand Holy see.
Matthew 23:9

I wonder what do you call your own father. By his name?