Well I'm not judging anyone just to be clear.

but how I know?

When the person seeks money above God, his worry in life is more on money.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 27 2018, 12:46 PM

May I know why you still choose to believe in God if you have doubt in Bible?

Surprisingly, I've encountered quite a number of followers from different religions think the way you do.

I am not sure about your thoughts, your thoughts seems to be very biased towards those Christians for are rich....
every person has different goals or dreams to achieve in life.
what's the big deal here if one decided to go for money even though he or she is a Christian?
Well, for me I think there is nothing wrong for Christians to spend RM200 to makan at a restaurant than to spend RM20 on a roadside stall...
maybe your dreams is just to live an ordinary life... but for me, I go for many things in life and yes riches and money is one of them, healthy living is another, and many others.
and one day if God decided to take my wealth away like you said, so be it.... I can't do much too since it's God's decision... but at least I did tried to pursue my dreams and I have no regrets before leaving earth for heaven.

First of all, I am a very very very science and technology kind of person. I love to read a lot of documentaries and do a lot of research.

I personally feel that God is in existence.

Before that, I did a lot of research... one of them is the Big Bang... if you analyse this way, for the Big Bang to occur of this scale, only God can make this happen. Imagine until today, there are millions of stars still bursting away from each other following the Big Bang billions of years ago.

I have a good life now, everyone in my family is healthy and happy... I don't take these for granted.. and I believe all these are a result of God's blessings and protection.

Then of course miracles... I watched a lot of youtube video seeing how the sick with stage 4 cancer just healed overnight... keyword is "overnight"

On the other hand, the Bible. I always has doubts on how true is the Bible.
Who wrote the book of Genesis when there is no human before Genesis 1:1 ? Likewise for 10 commandments... is it really true? i know is God's commands... but how come it can be in documentary form? and many others.
The great flood (Naoh's case), many scientists couldn't find evidence that earth was once heavily flooded.
If Adam and Eve are the first male and females respectively... then how about Cain's wife? Where did Cain's wife came from???
Of course, there are many dozens of inconsistencies and contradictions around the Bible too... I posted them a few days ago in this thread.

and finally, I feel that the Bible is also too boring to be frank...

Then why do you still choose to believe in Christianity? Or are you?

You are not the first person in history to ask these questions. Seek and you shall find.

Didn't I have answer your questions? of course, I am a christian just that I seldom read the bible.

so far unable to find any concrete or conclusive answers. if you have any, you can share with us here.

Tradition credits Moses as the author of the first five books of the Old Testament. Why? Because God gave His revelation to Moses on Mount Sinai.

Google actually helps a lot. Make use of it.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Feb 27 2018, 01:08 PM

He's interested to know, so tell him la..no need to be so defensive. The only thing I'm sure he's aware of is that we are not allowed to proselytize to Muslims in Malaysia.

Well, i'm sure he's aware....
and i might be wrong but from his questions I already guessed what are the next few questions that may arise..and from what muslim perspective he asked in such a manner.. So ill be quite interested to be proven wrong..

:-)

Anyway...keep the Faith in Christ alive Bro.

Depends on who you ask.

Secular scientists want to deny God because they dont want to have to face the reality that they have to answer a supreme being who will judge them ultimately.

There are many theistic scientists who look at the same evidences and conclude that the bible is indeed reliable.

Spend some time here:

http://creation.mobi/age-of-the-earth#20110326

It is reasonable to assume that cain took one of his sisters as his wife. Adam and eve had plenty of children.

I used to think that the bible is irrelevant and boring too when I was young. It is only boring if your mind is immune to the truth inside.

You need a good bible teacher. Do you attend church?

You make too much assumptions. You really do.

What makes you think you are going to heaven anyways. Just because you say you are a Christian and you do good deads?

What makes you think I have no money? Just because I preach against it? In fact what makes you think my dream is just to live an ordinary life? If you claim to be a Christian tell me what happened to the person who wanted to build bigger barns. Did he make it to heaven?

Actually have you examine yourself. What actually makes you different from the non believers out there?

The person who accuses others are most often the guilty ones. Think about this statement.

Your view is a shallow one actually even from a secular perspective. I mean is your dreams really special? There are much greater dreams then just being rich and being healthy.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Feb 27 2018, 05:32 PM

I made too much assumptions? How about yourself?
Did your arguments even come with substance in the first place?
Then what makes you think that I will not go to heaven even I am rich? Are you here to judge?

What makes you think I have no money?
Did I even say you are poor? On the other hand, you seems that you are discouraging someone who intend to build wealth while yourself is wealthy?

I mean is your dreams really special? There are much greater dreams then just being rich and being healthy.
Does my dreams really special have anything to do with you? Well, maybe I might not have big dreams like you... as I like to keep my profile low.
As I mentioned in my previous post, everyone has different dreams to pursue, be it big, small or great dreams.

Your view is a shallow one actually even from a secular perspective.
Yes, I may not be as educated as you.
Anyhow, your arguments seems to be full of contradictions and inconsistencies and lack substance.

I really wonder do you always judge people just based on assumptions???

Billy Graham Slams Prosperity Gospel: ‘You Cannot Serve Both God And Money’
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The Bible doesn’t say that being a faithful Christian will lead to material wealth, says the Rev. Billy Graham who responded to a question about the teachings of prosperity gospel preachers by noting that Jesus and His disciples were never rich.

In a question-and-answer column published on the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website on Wednesday, Graham was asked whether God wants people to be wealthy.

“Does God want everyone to be rich? I heard someone on TV claim that this is what the Bible teaches, but I wonder if it’s true,” the reader asked Graham. “We struggle every month just to pay our bills, and yet my husband and I have always tried to put God first.”

Graham responded by saying, “the Bible doesn’t promise that everyone who follows Jesus will become wealthy,” as Jesus Himself was not a rich man.

“After all, Jesus wasn’t rich, nor were His first disciples — not at all. In fact, the only disciple who really cared about money was Judas, whose greed and unbelief caused him to betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver,” wrote Graham.

“Repeatedly the Bible warns us against being consumed by money, or placing it first in our lives instead of Christ. Jesus said, ‘No one can serve two masters. … You cannot serve both God and money’ (Matthew 6:24).”

Graham went on to stress that the better wealth was a spiritual nature, noting that “when we know Christ we are rich — not necessarily with this world’s goods, but with spiritual riches!

“Think of it a moment. Can anything this world offers be greater than God’s forgiveness? Can anything be greater than Christ’s presence with us every day?” Graham asked.

“Can anything be greater than the privilege of prayer, or being part of Christ’s family, or being used to bless others?”

The prosperity gospel theology states that God wants believers to be rich and if they have enough faith, they can become materially wealthy.

While widely denounced in most Christian circles, prosperity gospel has been known to be preached among some megachurch pastors and televangelists.

Graham is not the only prominent Christian figure to offer recent comments denouncing the prosperity gospel. Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren also critiqued the notion in a devotional published last month.

Referring to Earth as “a temporary assignment,” Warren wrote back in August that it is “a fatal mistake to assume that God’s goal for your life is material prosperity or popular success as the world defines it.”

“Paul was faithful, yet he ended up in prison. John the Baptist was faithful, but he was beheaded. Millions of faithful people have been martyred, have lost everything, or have come to the end of life with nothing to show for it,” Warren said.

“The abundant life has nothing to do with material abundance. Faithfulness to God does not guarantee success in a career or even in ministry. Never focus on temporary crowns.”

Yeah. Another assumption again. What makes you think I am educated.
If I am educated, why my arguments are full of contradictions, inconsistencies and lack of substance.

Look at the very first post you posted over here and tell me who is the one with contradictions.

Actually. I am not "judging"you I am asking the questions. I challenge you to judge yourself though.

Surprisingly you did not even answer the question on what happened to the person who built bigger barns. Is he in heaven or in hell. He has similar dreams as you.

Better that I judge them jesus judge right?

This post has been edited by sylar111: Feb 27 2018, 09:15 PM

Come on... you are the one making baseless assumptions.

Wow... You know which person goes to Heaven and which person goes to Hell? Wow... I didn't know that...

I didn't answer your question because no one has the answer except God, in other words, your question is immature as a Christian being.

And yet you are judging people and responded in an unprofessional manner by saying rich Christians will not go to heaven... So what's the deal now? All rich Christians should panic and worry?

Are you a young Christian by the way??? you look like quite doubtful...

As long as if you are at peace, it's OK.
Well. You are right. I do not know. Jesus know though.
Actually, if you are so sure you are going to heaven, why do you seem so agitated?

BTW. Pertaining to your question on rich Christians should panic and worry

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

I did not say this. Jesus said this.

BTW. Just curious. How come you cannot answer a simple question from an immature, young and maybe stupid and doubtful Christian.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Feb 28 2018, 12:25 AM

I am not agitated but just trying hard to emphasize to you that nothing wrong if one wanted to pursue riches. But in the end, you seems lack of confidence in responding to me
In my church, there are many rich people driving fancy cars... their sons and daughters holding iPhone X. During CNY, few of us went to their bungalow house visitation (one in Desa Park City, one in Bukit Jalil)... don't get me wrong, there are good Christians and good friends of mine.
So, if you one day come to visit my church, will you biased against them?

You seem so lost... that's all. I wonder why even waste time replying you?