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post Oct 20 2017, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:17 AM)
LOLS.. the traces are there. But I personally believe it is not obvious because of Satan's cover-ups and also partly because after Rapture, it will be part of 'the great lie' which blinds everyone who is left behind.
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I don't agree on your statement. I don't believe Satan can overpowered the powerful God's words and cover-up events happening in other parts of the world except just Egypt, Israel and Jordan.
I did ask myself this question as well dozens and dozens of times. I did even ask pastors but unfortunately most of them just try to twist the question and answer something else.
In fact, TS question has been challenging my faith for quite some years.

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post Oct 20 2017, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 11:37 AM)
You don't believe Satan can overpower God's powerful words to cover-up..
Okay.. this part.
Let me explain to you a bit of what Satan can and cannot do.

For example, at times, God allows hardships in the lives of His people. Exp: in old testament, where Israel are to be captured put into slavery. or when Israel are left without a prophet for years..
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put it this way, where Job was allowed by God for Satan to take away his home health wealth etc..
Another example, David to be tempted and sinned..
Satan has his works behind the curtains but all in all, if i may say, is due to our human weaknesses and is in a way for us to grow..
Satan, or even for this context, Humans, are able to introduce many things to replace God.. creating their own God.. this has been ongoing even since old testaments.. remember when Moses and and Ten Commandments?
The people just saw the miracle and yet went and make a new God when Moses went to take the ten commandments.

So what Im trying to say is, God allows humans (Or the devil/Satan) to deviate from God (upon our own free will) for us to be able to grow in our faith.
- Peter also deviated when he WAS WITH Jesus.
- Peter also deviated EVEN AFTER Jesus resurrected.
- Paul was weak in faith.

Hebrews 12:6,7 , "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"
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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 11:41 AM)
To grow in faith, you need the proper church.
A church that preaches purely from the word of God. Pastors and Christians who are able to answer you not based on opinions but by opening the word of God with you and showing you what God says.

I'm also actually leaning a lot from a podcast (Just by listening to their daily sermons).. which u can download online.
Ambassador Baptist College.

I highly recommend you listen to it more, and see learn more from the Bible through their sermons.
And if you need a good church which really preaches from the Word of God, let me know and ill share you the right church.
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Thanks for your reply.
But I still couldn't get it why Jesus allows those incidents to be covered-up?
Yes, Jesus did allow evil spirit to happen... but why not just document everything in the Bible? Then, only we as humans will see whether to accept and follow it or not.

BTW, currently I am going FGA church once a month.
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post Feb 27 2018, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Feb 27 2018, 09:23 AM)
Actually we don't have to seek Richness...just seek God's Kingdom and seek Christ Righteousness represented....God will provide everything and much more.

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Once again.... For this statement, I have seen many typical old fashioned or conventional Christians saying about this. Come on....

If one doesn't seek riches in which many sees money as a momentum motivator... better..

1) don't send your kids to good education and become lawyers, doctors, accountants and earn good salary in the future. better just read the bible and seek God truths, learn his Words everyday and be a normal guy earning RM2K a month is enough.

2) just drive a Viva for the rest of your life... why bother earning more to upgrade a Civic or Audi? What's wrong with pursuing your dreams to drive a better car with the better money you have obtained?

3) why even bother to invest in stocks, properties to accumulate your wealth?

4) why Christians even bother to start a business in which money...and only money that drive profits is the main KPI this corporate world.

5) why so many famous Datuks, CEOs, rich business owners and tycoons that makes tons of money every single day are good Christians??

I see nothing wrong when one pursue profits, pursue riches and accumulate tons of wealth and wealth... as long as it is not obtained in an illegal way.

I am a Christian myself and I always seek ways to accumulate wealth, and I have 2 businesses... Maybe for those Christians that against me, they can better just study the Bible daily, pursue God's kingdom....live an ordinary life, get a RM2k salary a month... buy the cheapest smartphone like Xiaomi, just stay in some low cost units for the rest of your life, give your kids a simple meal daily (no need to go fancy expensive restaurants to have an expensive meal), drive a Viva and hope God will provide the rest...


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post Feb 27 2018, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Feb 27 2018, 11:03 AM)
Is there anything wrong with this?  Well. Jesus lived a simple life too.  Why.  Do you also despise Jesus for living a simple live?  Do you despise missionaries who goes out to other countries to spread the Gospel?

Well. If you actually have any understanding,  you will realise that those riches that you have could be taken from you in an instant. You see, Satan is the god of this world. You really think you can protect your wealth if say God decides to allow Satan to take your wealth away? That is why the verse on storing your wealth on heaven rather then on earth is so relevant.  Also there is this verse whereby it says that we should seek the kingdom of God and everything will be taken care for us.

No doubt,  it's good to use good wisdom provided by God to pursue our earthly endeavours but then very often, success does not only come from our efforts but also from other factors as well that God can control. It will be fool hardy to think we can actually succeed with just our own efforts.

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Actually. Sometimes a "good"education can actually be a hindrance to wisdom. I am sure you know by now that many people who actually comes out from university do not actually have common sense. Maybe you should ponder why.
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Answer me this question.

Are you willing to provide your family nasi lemak which cost RM2 a plate for the rest of your life? or bringing your kids out to enjoy at fancy restaurants every weekend?
Are you ok if your kids drive a Kancil and no motivation to seek more money while seeing others kids get better salaried jobs and live a better life?
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post Feb 27 2018, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Feb 27 2018, 11:53 AM)
You see things from a very worldly perspective.

Of course, if I am a parent, I would want the best for my kids. But then, why do you even need to bring your kids to fancy restaurants every weekend. In fact, even if I have the money, why should I purposely spend it away.

I am not saying that we should not pursue our worldly endeavors. But then, the way unbelievers live their lives is probably different from the way believers live their life. You see, if God gave me a good  job with a good salary. Then praise the Lord. But then if I happen not to earn that much, there is nothing to be ashamed of as well. You see. You seem to think that eating at fancy restaurant, driving a kancil and not earning money is a big deal. Well if those people go to hell, then what is the point of eating at a fancy restaurant, driving big cars and earning big monies.

In fact, why should you not be thankful that you even get to drive a kancil. A kancil is economical, saves money. So why not. I do not need to go to fancy restaurant to eat something nutritious.

You see, you can live a comfy life. But what happen if on that day itself, God just strike you dead. What happen then to your better salaried job and better life.

And sometimes you underestimate God. You think God cannot provide those things that you need for you? To be honest, if you are a Christian, you will not be asking those questions in the first place.
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I am not sure about your thoughts, your thoughts seems to be very biased towards those Christians for are rich....
every person has different goals or dreams to achieve in life.
what's the big deal here if one decided to go for money even though he or she is a Christian?
Well, for me I think there is nothing wrong for Christians to spend RM200 to makan at a restaurant than to spend RM20 on a roadside stall...
maybe your dreams is just to live an ordinary life... but for me, I go for many things in life and yes riches and money is one of them, healthy living is another, and many others.
and one day if God decided to take my wealth away like you said, so be it.... I can't do much too since it's God's decision... but at least I did tried to pursue my dreams and I have no regrets before leaving earth for heaven.
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post Feb 27 2018, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Feb 27 2018, 05:22 PM)
You make too much assumptions. You really do.

What makes you think you are going to heaven anyways. Just because you say you are a Christian and you do good deads?

What makes you think I have no money?  Just because I preach against it? In fact what makes you think my dream is just to live an ordinary life? If you claim to be a Christian tell me what happened to the person who wanted to build bigger barns. Did he make it to heaven?

Actually have you examine yourself.  What actually makes you different from the non believers out there?

The person who accuses others are most often the guilty ones. Think about this statement.

Your view is a shallow one actually even from a secular perspective. I mean is your dreams really special? There are much greater dreams then just being rich and being healthy.
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I made too much assumptions? How about yourself?
Did your arguments even come with substance in the first place?
Then what makes you think that I will not go to heaven even I am rich? Are you here to judge?

What makes you think I have no money?
Did I even say you are poor? On the other hand, you seems that you are discouraging someone who intend to build wealth while yourself is wealthy?

I mean is your dreams really special? There are much greater dreams then just being rich and being healthy.
Does my dreams really special have anything to do with you? Well, maybe I might not have big dreams like you... as I like to keep my profile low.
As I mentioned in my previous post, everyone has different dreams to pursue, be it big, small or great dreams.

Your view is a shallow one actually even from a secular perspective.
Yes, I may not be as educated as you.
Anyhow, your arguments seems to be full of contradictions and inconsistencies and lack substance.

I really wonder do you always judge people just based on assumptions???
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post Feb 27 2018, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Feb 27 2018, 08:44 PM)
Yeah. Another assumption again. What makes you think I am educated.
If I am educated,  why my arguments are full of contradictions, inconsistencies and lack of substance.

Look at the very first post you posted over here and tell me who is the one with contradictions.

Actually. I am not "judging"you I am asking the questions. I challenge you to judge yourself though.

Surprisingly you did not even answer the question on what happened to the person who built bigger barns. Is he in heaven or in hell. He has similar dreams as you.

Better that I judge them jesus judge right?
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Come on... you are the one making baseless assumptions.

Wow... You know which person goes to Heaven and which person goes to Hell? Wow... I didn't know that...

I didn't answer your question because no one has the answer except God, in other words, your question is immature as a Christian being.

And yet you are judging people and responded in an unprofessional manner by saying rich Christians will not go to heaven... So what's the deal now? All rich Christians should panic and worry?

Are you a young Christian by the way??? you look like quite doubtful...
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post Feb 28 2018, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Feb 27 2018, 10:24 PM)
As long as if you are at peace,  it's OK.
Well. You are right. I do not know.  Jesus know though.
Actually,  if you are so sure you are going to heaven,  why do you seem so agitated?
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I am not agitated but just trying hard to emphasize to you that nothing wrong if one wanted to pursue riches. But in the end, you seems lack of confidence in responding to me
In my church, there are many rich people driving fancy cars... their sons and daughters holding iPhone X. During CNY, few of us went to their bungalow house visitation (one in Desa Park City, one in Bukit Jalil)... don't get me wrong, there are good Christians and good friends of mine.
So, if you one day come to visit my church, will you biased against them?
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post Feb 28 2018, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Feb 27 2018, 10:24 PM)
BTW. Just curious. How come you cannot answer a simple question from an immature,  young and maybe stupid and doubtful Christian.
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You seem so lost... that's all. I wonder why even waste time replying you?

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