Of all things

Christ likely lead a very ordinary jewish life before he was recognised by john the baptist as the messiah. Just working and going to the synagogue?

Jesus never claim him self as god

LoL, are you sure.. hmmm
Then why did you worship Jesus, ask Jesus for healing and pray to Jesus?

He was teaching as well. Since a very young age.

Which verse in Bible that he claim him self as God?

The most explicit statement would be these two

John 10: I and the Father are one.

And the Jews proceed to accuse Jesus of blasphemy. You can read the full context here.

22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.


John 8:58 states the following “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

the 'I AM' is very important because that's the name revealed to the Hebrews, as explained through this video



This post has been edited by Sophiera: Feb 26 2018, 04:45 PM

We've never disturbed the muslim society or trouble them in line with the laws of Malaysia, i think we deserve the same respect and treatment that the muslim society stop meddling with us too.

For me I count all the sayings and even wise quotes of wisdom of the world as unimportant compared to what God has to say.

If the Holy Spirit deemed it as unimportant for us to know Christ growing up years...then it isn't.

You did ask me what's so important about the Bible. Apart from the Bible, there is nothing else that comes close that can help us understand God.

I didn't know Billy Graham said this

It's correct what he said there's nothing wrong for human to seek riches but when riches possessed us then it's wrong

Actually we don't have to seek Richness...just seek God's Kingdom and seek Christ Righteousness represented....God will provide everything and much more.

We don't have to seek but it's not wrong to believe God can and will move the person out of the position of lack and prosper....

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 27 2018, 10:09 AM

Once again.... For this statement, I have seen many typical old fashioned or conventional Christians saying about this. Come on....

If one doesn't seek riches in which many sees money as a momentum motivator... better..

1) don't send your kids to good education and become lawyers, doctors, accountants and earn good salary in the future. better just read the bible and seek God truths, learn his Words everyday and be a normal guy earning RM2K a month is enough.

2) just drive a Viva for the rest of your life... why bother earning more to upgrade a Civic or Audi? What's wrong with pursuing your dreams to drive a better car with the better money you have obtained?

3) why even bother to invest in stocks, properties to accumulate your wealth?

4) why Christians even bother to start a business in which money...and only money that drive profits is the main KPI this corporate world.

5) why so many famous Datuks, CEOs, rich business owners and tycoons that makes tons of money every single day are good Christians??

I see nothing wrong when one pursue profits, pursue riches and accumulate tons of wealth and wealth... as long as it is not obtained in an illegal way.

I am a Christian myself and I always seek ways to accumulate wealth, and I have 2 businesses... Maybe for those Christians that against me, they can better just study the Bible daily, pursue God's kingdom....live an ordinary life, get a RM2k salary a month... buy the cheapest smartphone like Xiaomi, just stay in some low cost units for the rest of your life, give your kids a simple meal daily (no need to go fancy expensive restaurants to have an expensive meal), drive a Viva and hope God will provide the rest...

Well there's 2 way to go about this.

One is ....your way, you doing the seeking, thus by the sweat of your brow....your effort, your pain, tears and all that.

Another way is through the way of rest, there is no need to worry while God is the one prospering the one who trust to provide.

So it's up to you really.

Is there anything wrong with this? Well. Jesus lived a simple life too. Why. Do you also despise Jesus for living a simple live? Do you despise missionaries who goes out to other countries to spread the Gospel?

Well. If you actually have any understanding, you will realise that those riches that you have could be taken from you in an instant. You see, Satan is the god of this world. You really think you can protect your wealth if say God decides to allow Satan to take your wealth away? That is why the verse on storing your wealth on heaven rather then on earth is so relevant. Also there is this verse whereby it says that we should seek the kingdom of God and everything will be taken care for us.

No doubt, it's good to use good wisdom provided by God to pursue our earthly endeavours but then very often, success does not only come from our efforts but also from other factors as well that God can control. It will be fool hardy to think we can actually succeed with just our own efforts.

Typing from my phone.

Actually. Sometimes a "good"education can actually be a hindrance to wisdom. I am sure you know by now that many people who actually comes out from university do not actually have common sense. Maybe you should ponder why.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Feb 27 2018, 11:06 AM

one can only have one Lord

it is either Jesus or the world


choose wisely

RICHES can come in many forms it doesn't have to money based at all, reasons we people seek riches in money is to improve a better lives and not to be left behind, the society gap today still exist everywhere, take a look at India, caste discrimination, in Afghanistan and Pakistan Racial and gender discrimination.

In our own country society discrimination Racial discrimination. All this are results of riches possessed us. Aak ourselves this question, do discriminate or judge anyone in our lives? If you can answer that then you're sinless like Lord Jesus.

Answer me this question.

Are you willing to provide your family nasi lemak which cost RM2 a plate for the rest of your life? or bringing your kids out to enjoy at fancy restaurants every weekend?
Are you ok if your kids drive a Kancil and no motivation to seek more money while seeing others kids get better salaried jobs and live a better life?

That is what happen when one allow riches to control the person's character......then again there are prosperous believers who are not controlled by money but by God.

I think it's important to give a fair view on this and not allow stereotypes to come in.

You see things from a very worldly perspective.

Of course, if I am a parent, I would want the best for my kids. But then, why do you even need to bring your kids to fancy restaurants every weekend. In fact, even if I have the money, why should I purposely spend it away.

I am not saying that we should not pursue our worldly endeavors. But then, the way unbelievers live their lives is probably different from the way believers live their life. You see, if God gave me a good job with a good salary. Then praise the Lord. But then if I happen not to earn that much, there is nothing to be ashamed of as well. You see. You seem to think that eating at fancy restaurant, driving a kancil and not earning money is a big deal. Well if those people go to hell, then what is the point of eating at a fancy restaurant, driving big cars and earning big monies.

In fact, why should you not be thankful that you even get to drive a kancil. A kancil is economical, saves money. So why not. I do not need to go to fancy restaurant to eat something nutritious.

You see, you can live a comfy life. But what happen if on that day itself, God just strike you dead. What happen then to your better salaried job and better life.

And sometimes you underestimate God. You think God cannot provide those things that you need for you? To be honest, if you are a Christian, you will not be asking those questions in the first place.

how do you know if riches control a person or otherwise?

as far as I know, the only time when riches control a person is when the person gamble, committing crime for the sole purpose of money.

Other than that, there is absolutely nothing wrong for one to pursue riches. We are living in a democratic country anyway... just remember to give back some to God as offering whenever you attend church.