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post Nov 6 2020, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(N1ck @ Nov 6 2020, 05:39 PM)
Are we entitled to Far Cry 6 with the new chips here? https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/equipped-to-win
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Provided you can get one before 31st Dec 2020, yes.
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post Nov 7 2020, 04:16 AM

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QUOTE(latios507 @ Nov 6 2020, 08:54 PM)
Even those who don't make full use of the applications will reap more benefit in terms of productivity. 5800x is a badly priced and out of place product. If it was another $50 cheaper or had 10 cores instead of 8, I would had a more favorable opinion on em.

It's dollar/core, not perf/core. 3800x was never a niche, but it found itself in an odd position. Same (#) cores as 3700x but only a slightly higher boost  that is negligible and achievable if you OC your 3700x. A niche is something that can perform and has a specific purpose. I don't see where 3800x fits, and it's the same thing happening right now for 5800x.

In this case, 5600x will do what 5800x can do for a fraction of a price albeit it will age faster because it has two less cores. 5900X can do everything and it will be a monster in productivity because it has more tentacles. I mean, cores. 5800x does slightly better (yet debatable) than 5600x given it's two extra cores, but will be slightly slower at multitasking than 5900x due to lower number of cores.

If you're a person who runs multiple monitors, stream and game at the same time, open chrome tabs in double or triple digit; you'll benefit more from extra cores. So, is this a waste of money for an extra few years of longevity at an extra cost that you can probably make up for in a few weeks/months?

You won't lose anything if you have more core, but you will lose more in the long run if you have lower number of cores as it ages & more app take advantage of those extra cores. You're indirectly future proofing yourself if you're not gonna upgrade for the next 4 - 6 years. Having more core doesn't translate to extra performance but it gives u smoothness. Spend more, get more.

If ur willing to fork out that much money for a top end CPU, then cooling cost shouldn't be an argument, it's definitely an afterthought. If you had a Porsche, would you want it to run on Ron95?
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Some fair points and some dumb points, just like your previous comparison between the upscaling of Nvidia DLSS to TVs.

You're right 5800x is indeed a weirdly priced product, there is a gap between it and the 5600x which almost certainly means the 5700x is coming. The 3800X (and XT) were also weirdly priced products.

But the fact that you mentioned this:

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Same (#) cores as 3700x but only a slightly higher boost  that is negligible and achievable if you OC your 3700x


...says that you don't actually read reviews. No, you can't OC a 3700x to achieve parity with a 5800x. You simply can't. Most reviewers are getting 4.6-4.7ghz all core OC with the 5800x right now, 3700x best bins were topping out at 4.5ghz with rather dangerous voltages for your typical AIO/high-end air cooling. Frequency e-peen aside, if you bothered to read what Zen 3 has changed architecturally then you wouldn't even have said what you said in the first place.

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If you had a Porsche, would you want it to run on Ron95?


As for this last irrelevant point, I have a Macan, been pumping ron95 for the last 3 years. Bodo ke pay for ron97 when stuck in KL traffic everyday? rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 7 2020, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(latios507 @ Nov 7 2020, 08:03 AM)
Nice, good for you. It's not bodo, it still works and you're happy with it isn't it? It's bodo when u don't take full advantage of your hardware. Even more bodo when u know the brand, but can't differentiate between SUV and Super Cars rolleyes.gif
Back to topic, if there is a price drop in the coming months for 5800X, it might have some value and worth revisiting. I don't know which crystal ball did you looked into, but 5700X doesn't even have to exist at this point. 5600X is already a strong performer in its price bracket
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Lol.

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Whatever man. Seems like you're trapped in your own entitled little bubble.
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post Nov 12 2020, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 12 2020, 02:25 PM)
could be asus using the +200MHz as per default though.
will be confirming this on an x570 unify this weekend.
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The +200mhz is PBO FMAX.

There are some 5900x on the Crosshair 8 that's already doing 5.15ghz.

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post Nov 12 2020, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 12 2020, 03:26 PM)
yes my point being is the 5600x boosting to 4.85 without it.
Btw, you almost got a perfect ccd1 there, the core5 will screw you over for regular ccd oc though  tongue.gif
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I'm skeptical of the 5600x can indeed boost to 4.85 without a PBO FMAX/OC... that seems a little far fetch I think. Let us know your result later.

Yeah core 5 on CCD1 and core 10 and CCD2 are the weak links. But it is what it is with dual chiplets, I think the best bins are reserved for the 5950x.

EDIT - there is also a new beta firmware I've yet to try, 2501.

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Nov 12 2020, 03:45 PM)
I am planning to get this gigabyte motherboard and Ryzen 5600x. What DDR4 memory is suitable for this?

I am planning for 16 GB ram, single stick. Or should I go 8x2 sticks?
I need to scrub and make videos in premier pro/rush so that I can place it online for class. I am not going to overclock this. Maybe I should aim lower?
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You should always go 2 sticks, even if they have to be Single Rank and you're not OCing. That board is okay, nothing special and neither bad.
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post Nov 21 2020, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(targon @ Nov 20 2020, 08:35 PM)
My experience with Amd ryzen since last year is a mix bag.
Got a 3900x first, went dead barely one month of use ( it's not even oc yet). Luckily I have a spare unused 3700x to test. No issues with the 3700x and the mobo. Then got the 3950x when launched last year. Works well.
Then have high hopes on zen 3. Bought a 5950x . But it's a disappointment. It can't work stable on the aorus Xtreme with random windows Bsod due to Whea errors. No issues with the old 3950x.  Went back to the shop, got the chip into another customer dark hero mobo with the same result, Bsod. So shop refunded back via credit note.
Could be a faulty chip, no one can really answer.
Cos I pose the question to giga support, they can't really give me an answer. Putting the blame on windows and  driver s instead.
Been checking on other international sites as well, found out that 5000 series is a hit and miss affair. If it works with your configuration, u re ok. If it doesn't, it will be a nightmare. The current agessa and 5000 series support is crap. Wish Amd has done extensive testing on it.

According to shop technician, they're having most compatibility issues with giga boards.

Morale of the story, cutting edge tech but the hype exceeds the reality. AMD boleh.

6800 experience anyone ? Frame rates aside, overall experience is important. Drivers stability ?
Wish Amd would deliver more with it's products.
Overall customer satisfaction and experience counts and not the high frames, high benchmark scores and the marketing hype.
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That's unfortunate to hear.

The issue is not uncommon though. If you check the x570 Gigabyte owners thread on OCN (for all their x570 mobos), you'll see that there are countless people complaining about BIOS stability issues all the way back since Zen+. You are right, it is indeed hit and miss but it didn't start with Zen 3, it started long time ago since Zen+.

Yeah for a lot of shit talk people like to throw at Intel in the last 3 years (they do deserve it), Intel with their ancient architecture is very mature. Most of the issues has been stamped out. AMD OTOH, well Zen is barely 3 years old and we're already in the 3rd generation.

AGESA is very complex though, much more than anything from Intel's side. I don't expect things to be completely error free even after AM4 reaches EOL.
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QUOTE(targon @ Nov 21 2020, 01:12 AM)
Been to OCN forums, I know how those aorus Xtreme  and countless aorus owners felt with the 5000 series not working stable in their rigs.
Most of them come from the 3000 series.
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I mean I'm on the Crosshair 8, it's not entirely smooth sailing either. Every BIOS update has fixed one thing and broke 5 other things.
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post Nov 23 2020, 01:54 PM

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Just a PSA; When applying TIM, you guys should always use the X method of applying especially for dual chiplets CPUs. The standard pea size method in the middle is NOT enough to cover the dual chiplets.

EDIT - I learned this last year when I reapplied the paste on my previous 3900x. The X method removed about 3-4c off the max temp on most of the cores. That's significant simply from using a different method of applying TIM.

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post Nov 23 2020, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Nov 23 2020, 02:46 PM)
It's not a surprise that 5000 series runs hot at load. You can see that on other forums as well ppl mentioning it.
They're hoping future bios update s will resolve it
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You're packing a shit ton of cores and threads in such a small area and running it at pretty high frequencies, it's expected to be hot. On the other hand, guess what would happen if Intel slaps 16 cores onto its ancient 14nm process. The term hot would be a compliment for them. laugh.gif

I think the temps are more than fine if you put everything else into perspective.

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post Nov 25 2020, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 25 2020, 02:09 PM)
I do this 5 point small pea method.
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As long as you have enough to cover both chiplets, it doesn't actually matter which method you use. X, H, 5 point pea, doesn't matter. I suggested X because it's the easiest one.
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post Nov 25 2020, 02:57 PM

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Because they had to die-die make the cut for Zen 3 to release in 2020, otherwise people are going to point fingers and say they're just bullshitters, like Intel. That creates more damage for them than a new product that is half baked.

Better to launch a product with a halo around it, but sweep all the bullshit under the carpet and silently fix them over time. Not enough people read OCN and reddit anyways.

As far as RAM speed goes, I'm doing 3600 CL16 with manually tuned timings right now, been stable for couple of weeks now. So I'm going to leave it here as going to 3800 or even 4000 (which is possible) is not worth the stability issues for just a couple % gain in raw perf.

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post Nov 26 2020, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 25 2020, 11:47 PM)
So I configured my ram ( TridentZ Neo 3600 kit ) to 3200
tested few hours of video conversion ( almost all time near 100% CPU load ), stable
play COD CW for an hour, not BSOD. Although game crashed multiple times, consistently at same mission  doh.gif  Not sure game problem, or graphic driver. Tomorrow might download and test other games.

Fxxk la it remind me of my 1700 system, where my TridentZ 3200 kit cant even boot 3200, 2933 not totally stable  doh.gif
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Check your Event Viewer to give you an idea of the error codes. You can't just test by playing games, you also need a log to cross check.
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post Dec 1 2020, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Icecoolz93 @ Nov 30 2020, 08:09 PM)
You must have close contact then you can get the 5900x cause is super limited I remember 1st batch only  total 28 stock 5000 series to all it warehouse
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That's not true.

I got my 5900x from viewnet, without bundle. There's certainly more than 28 units I assure you.

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QUOTE(thankyou @ Dec 1 2020, 12:47 PM)
When did you get it? Last went they want bundle w/ mobo and ram.. if they sell bundle with Mobo now I'll get it..
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On launch week. Bundle not needed.
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post Dec 1 2020, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Dec 1 2020, 06:22 PM)
Just changed my radiator fans (Kraken X61) to a couple of Arctic P14's and my idle is finally 35-40C (5600x) ! Bloody thing is quiet to boot and costs only rm40 each??
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Welcome to the P14 club.

It's a stunner of a fan indeed, bought like 30 pieces this year just to keep for future.
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post Dec 2 2020, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 1 2020, 09:25 PM)
Am thinking whether to change my rad fan to Arctic p12  about rm120 for 3 fans

Or straight change to Arctic liquid freezer 360 rm600..
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What is your current cooler?
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post Dec 2 2020, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 2 2020, 09:20 AM)
ID cooling ZoomFlow 360 ..
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No point changing to Arctic AIO then, not a significant difference. Just change the fans, even then don't expect any major improvements either from a cooling perspective.
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post Dec 6 2020, 07:45 PM

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Well, my 5900x with Crosshair 8 x570 has been pretty solid for the last 3 weeks. Really aside from the rare 8d cold boot bug and not being able to go above 3800mhz for RAM, it's been solid.

Intel has Intel issues too. It's just whose issues you are willing to deal with.
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post Dec 6 2020, 09:19 PM

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Don't need to bother with the 5800x, shouldn't even be a consideration for an ITX build. That hotspot build up is massive.

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