Don't pay too much attention to what sample your CPU has, in essence it's like ASIC quality for GPUs. They don't tell you the whole story.

If you read around, those with so called "platinum" samples are having stability issues too after using CTR.

I agree. But it's also hard to say at this time how stable it is for a variety of games.

I tried FFXV and RDR2, they.... yeah, let's just say with the CTR tuned clocks, it's not smooth sailing all the way. Granted these 2 games have fundamental issues of their own, but the fact that manual OC or just plain standard PBO works fine for both of them tells me that CTR still needs some work.

Welp was really expecting a 10c/20t processor at the 5800x price point.

Dick move, but expected. Asus BIOS has been subpar for AMD for a while now. They probably think it's not worth the trouble to keep supporting previous gen boards.

Speaking of RAM, really hope that rumor about Zen 3's new "sweet spot" is DDR4-4000, a 1:1 IF at 2000mhz would be pretty sweet.

Wonder why AMD has been keeping silent about this issue...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jcpoo...m_oc_stability/
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comme...or_30xx_series/

New AMD chipset drivers has done some nifty tweaks to the ryzen power plans. I like it.

It's not a scam, since the product will work.

But if you're paying extra for what's basically the same thing as a so called "non-Ryzen" compatible RAM, then basically you're just paying for a sticker.

Couldn't you just have manually tuned the timings yourself so that it doesn't crash?

No, not asking you to OC. It's just re-tuning the timings so that it works with the extremely sensitive memory controller on Zen 1. You wouldn't have been getting any extra perf out of it.

You're not wrong though, "Ryzen compatible" stickered RAMs does alleviate problems with Zen 1. But Zen 2 has been very good with memory and Zen 3 should be even better.

Hold up, can't you just boot up with base JEDEC timings and go from there? Or did Zen 1 not even recognize that?

Or you could just get the regular Hero VIII for less money. The 60a power stages are already overkill anyways. 90a is really just fluff.

The Dark Hero, you're really just paying for more ROG tax and subjectively, I guess - better aesthetics.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 25 2020, 08:12 PM

It's not like the fan makes much noise anyway, it only turns on beyond 70c and even then it's not audible. The fan is essential as the x570 chipset is HOT AF.

Buy 2nd hand 3900x lo.

5800x is really poor value here. Might as well top up that RM400 to go up to a 5900x or just get a 2nd hand 3900x instead.

I'm using this G.skill kit at the moment - https://shopee.com.my/G.SKILL-RAM-DESKTOP-D...6300.2777939939

Been running it at 3600mhz C15 with tuned sub-timings (FAST preset from Ryzen DRAM calc) for the last 8 months. Very stable and I'm sure it can be pushed further if I want to.

Samsung B-die. IMO it's equal to Micron RevE, theoretically even better because it can do 3600c14 with tuned sub timings below 1.5v. This works in Zen 2's favor since 3600mhz is about as high as you want to go anyway. Not all Zen 2 CPUs can get 3733 and maintain 1:1 IF.

Zen 3 perhaps would change that as we could be seeing the new "sweet spot" to be at 3800 or even 4000mhz, which is where Micron RevE has the advantage due to it being able to clock higher (usually) than Samsung B.

You keep mentioning issues without specifying them, what are they? Binning?

So at 1080p, 10900k is still ~3.4% faster than 5900x according to TPU - in gaming.

Not that I was expecting AMD to absolutely demolish Intel, but was expecting it the other way around. I also think that there's something wrong with TPU's review, they are for one running memory at 3200mhz (loose timings).

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Nov 5 2020, 11:00 PM

Only if you compare the 5800x with its other 5000 series brothers, then it looks a little stupid value wise. But against Intel? 5800x is good value as it outperforms even the 5900x in low thread workloads.

For now yes.

In the coming 3 years? I don't know, we could start seeing 6 cores being pegged as a bottleneck like what quad cores has suffered through since 2018.


5600x if you're cost conscious. In fact, you could get even a second hand 3900x.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Nov 6 2020, 05:27 PM