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edmund_yung
post Oct 9 2020, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 9 2020, 09:15 AM)
When you put Z490 into equation, nope. Cheapest good VRM board is MSI Z490-A Pro at RM729. Tuning for H410 and B460 boards are locked. Intel dropped CPU but raised Z490 prices.

For AMD, Asrock B550M Pro4 is RM465, Asus TUF B550M-Plus is RM639. Asus refreshing B450 boards as well.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Oct 9 2020, 09:57 AM)
for 10600K vs 5600X
Assuming if you get intel for the sake of OC to get max performance, then the cheapest but decent Z490 board is Rm774.

But if AMD, also plan to OC as well, I think even a Asrock B550 Pro4 can handle it at Rm464.
If the board can handle 3700X just fine, assuming it should work for the 5600X as well.
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You're right about that. Just stating the obvious here lol.gif

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post Oct 9 2020, 11:38 AM

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3600XT $250 RM1200
3800XT $400 RM1900
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5600X $300 RM?
5800X $450 RM?

I think the 5000 series will be quite expensive.
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post Oct 11 2020, 11:20 AM

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If the 5600XT sells at RM1400, then the current 3600 is still the king of mid-range at half the price, great for pairing with GPU from RTX 3070 down to 1660 Super.
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post Oct 16 2020, 02:13 PM

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Not sure about 5950X but don't forget that the XT prices...
3600XT $250 RM1200
3800XT $400 RM1900
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post Oct 16 2020, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Oct 16 2020, 06:46 PM)
Last time 2700X money now can only get 5600X. Inflation hit much, so sad.
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I remember 2700X was around RM1.5k mark right? The 3700X is cheaper at launch.

QUOTE(nrw @ Oct 16 2020, 09:17 PM)
Just get an samsung b-die or micron rev b/e exclusive kit. Those pretty much all gonna do that.
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Any idea which model is available in Shopee or Lazada?
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post Oct 16 2020, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Oct 16 2020, 10:04 PM)
2) sr? dr?
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Like brand and model.
I don't see any FlareX anymore.
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post Oct 17 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Oct 17 2020, 12:32 AM)
oh sorry, I mean dual rank (2x16GB) or single rank (mostly 2x8GB (unlike some micron rev. b))
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It's a mess trying to find specific RAM in Shopee and Lazada, I'm hoping to get Brand and model recommendation to narrow down the search. The seller don't list single/dual rank/b-die/micron rev. b right.

The expensive G.Skill kit is saw doesn't have great timing, like normal 3600MTS CL18 but cost a bomb.

QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 17 2020, 12:46 AM)
I still have 8GB DDR4-3200 14-14-14-14-34 Flare X (Samsung B-die) X2. It won't come cheap.
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I got those from Taiwan too, together with X470i, damn expensive...
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post Oct 17 2020, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Oct 17 2020, 02:02 PM)
so ur looking for a 16gb or 32gb kit  confused.gif
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32GB RAM with good timing.
Otherwise I'll just settle with a cheap Corsair LPX 3600 CL18.
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post Oct 17 2020, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Oct 17 2020, 02:38 PM)
Your options for B-Die:
3200MHz kits for manual OC
1) F4-3200C14D-32GTZR (TrZ)
2) F4-3200C14D-32GTRS (Royal Silver)
3) F4-3200C14D-32GTRG (Royal Gold)
4) F4-3200C14D-32GTZN (Neo)
5) F4-3200C14D-32GVR (RipJ Red)
6) F4-3200C14D-32GVK (RipJ Black)
7) F4-3200C14D-32GFX (FlareX)

3600MHz kits:
1) F4-3600C16D-32GTZR (TrZ)
2) F4-3600C16D-32GTRS (Royal Silver)
3) F4-3600C16D-32GTRG (Royal Gold)
4) F4-3600C16D-32GTZN (Neo)

4000MHz kits:
1) F4-4000C16D-32GTZR (TrZ)
2) F4-4000C16D-32GTRS (Royal Silver)
3) F4-4000C16D-32GVK (RipJ Black)

Micron Rev. E:
No exclusive kits in Malaysia for all I know.
Got to import these, they are cheaper and I regularly get these, myself.
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Thanks for the extensive list. I try putting those codes into Shopee and Lazada they don't come up with anything. I also tried searching for "3600 C16" and still get result for 3600CL18. I blame the both site for not having better filter for these sort of stuff.
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post Oct 21 2020, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Komedi_stalker @ Oct 21 2020, 08:08 AM)
Imagine paying rm1000++ for 6 cores 12 thread in 2020
Nope, gonna wait for sales 3700x
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I agree, I'm going to wait for a 5700X with maybe 100-200mhz slower.
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post Oct 22 2020, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(latios507 @ Oct 22 2020, 05:48 AM)
TL;Dr
1). Wanna maximize your $$ value? Get 5900x.
2). You have extra $$/thicc wallet? Get 5950x coz price/core isn't that bad & ties with 5600x. You can also flex with that 16 core monster. Else, save money and get better mobo
3). No money/1080p in 2020? Get 5600x
4). Skip 5800x coz it's the worst in terms of dollar/core value.
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If someone needed 12 cores for things they do today, then yes you are right. For the rest of the people... no.

Even a "slow" 3600 is already quite smooth and is already like "European car". It can handle multi-monitor too, no problem, no need a 12 cores or even a 8 cores. Actually the 3100 can do multimonitor as good as the 16 cores in 2D environment.

1) The 3600 is still the value king until AMD release a $200 Zen 3 6-core CPU.
2) This I agree, since money no object.
3) Waiting for real word benchmark, because currently overclocked Intel i9-10900K still holds the crown.
4) This might actually be viable if someone wanted "future proof" while offsetting just enough money to buy a better GPU, simply because next gen console are 8-cores. Damn that's still a lot of money for a 8-cores!
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post Oct 24 2020, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Oct 9 2020, 11:38 AM)
3600XT $250 RM1200
3800XT $400 RM1900
vs
5600X $300 RM?
5800X $450 RM?

I think the 5000 series will be quite expensive.
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Yep, that's quite close from my estimate. RM200 more from both 3600XT and 3800XT. I hope MSRP isn't as crazy as those XT prices.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 24 2020, 11:04 AM)
Not at all.

Here's the thing about video render - there's never a lag.

Stronger processor, faster it is that's all.

My video is around minute to minute render so it's fast already, not using RTX.
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He thought you're editing 4k 12bit RAW or 8k RED footage lol.gif
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post Oct 25 2020, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Oct 24 2020, 08:34 AM)
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If these are the official MSRP they've become insane.
Confirmed I'll order overseas as a matter of principle.
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Intel i5-10600K & i7-10700K paired to Z490 motherboard will cost almost the same as AMD Ryzen 5600X & 5800X paired with B450 motherboard. Excuse me, can't get enough of speculating it lol.
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post Oct 27 2020, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 27 2020, 11:47 AM)
Yup, the reason why I was looking for the 3600mhz was to fully utilize the benefits of the GEN4 PCIE speeds. I was initially thinking about 3200mhz then I think that it might cause a bottleneck... sadly I have no way to proof this cause there are no study out there that says it clearly or at least a study that I can find... (most youtuber too rich and always do system build with top spec items) smile.gif
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3200mhz RAM won't be a bottleneck for PCIE 4.0. Still the 16GB 3600Mhz C18 LPX is like only RM40 more expensive than the 3200MHz C16 counterpart, I don't see why don't just go for the higher speed. The difference is not as extreme as 3200MHz C16 vs C14.
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post Oct 28 2020, 12:29 PM

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Idealtech pricing is not reasonable, but that's not their fault for pricing it that high if AMD Malaysia put the MSRP that high. I really wished for a cheaper price Zen 3 come 5th November, but look at how they priced the 3600XT and 3800XT...
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post Nov 2 2020, 04:09 PM

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Yeah, no one will buy a brand new 3600X/XT, 3800X/XT, 3900X/XT and 3950X when the new 5000 drops. The only chips which can sell are 3600 and 3700X because they are still cheap in terms of price/core.
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post Nov 3 2020, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(vernon91 @ Nov 3 2020, 01:03 PM)
Thanks! Whoa so expensive, as if they are offsetting the cheaper motherboard price compared the Intel Z490 offerings.
It's really:
i5-10600K + Z490 vs Ryzen 5 5600X + B550
i7-10700K + Z490 vs Ryzen 7 5800X + B550
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post Nov 3 2020, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 3 2020, 01:56 PM)
Well what to say, AMD Malaysia not being the kindest this time around.
Now lets wait for Intels reaction.
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Yeah, the price for 6800XT going to be brutal for Malaysian!
Maybe Intel can unlock RAM speed for a start on their B460 chipset.
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post Nov 4 2020, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 3 2020, 11:55 PM)
5800x is really poor value here. Might as well top up that RM400 to go up to a 5900x or just get a 2nd hand 3900x instead.
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QUOTE(nrw @ Nov 4 2020, 08:59 AM)
However there are some issues (especially in gaming) that no reviewers are really noticing.
If Zen3 didn't fix those you'll see the 8 core now topping the 5900/5950x in various application n games.
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Quite interested to find out the real world performance difference on the 8+0 CCD (5800X) vs 6+6 (5900X).
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The 3300X (4+0) is faster than the 3500X (3+3) in certain workload (gaming etc) because of the CCX arrangement. Since Zen3 is arrange differently, I'm really curious to see the real world bench for it.

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