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post Aug 16 2021, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Aug 16 2021, 11:20 AM)
Thanks .
Oil level are dropping into low zone due to multi point leakage on engine
need to survey on getting reputed workshop to get it fix .
Next oil might be trying out is EXNII Extentios Molyplus
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First check 30-40 mm below valve cover gasket level all around, if slightly 'wet' then valve cover gasket is the only problem and all others ok

If dry, next check spark plugs areas one by one. If 'wet', only spark plug(s) areas are leaking and other areas ok. If dry, no leaks from here.

Both the scenarios above are fast , easy and low cost jobs.

If both valve cover surroundings and all spark plug areas are dry, then check

a )around timing cover and,

b )bottom sump areas all round.

Dry one means good and no leak.

Slightly wet area is at oil sump nearer to transmission ---

it is front crankshaft oil seal only leaks (right between engine flywheel and manual/auto transmission). Timing cover no leaks.

If wet is observed on and below timing cover, then only timing cover is leaking. Front oil seal is ok.

In either one of both above , labour to replace oil seal is longer duration and more $$$.

Among the 4 potential leaking areas above, if your mechanic recommends any two areas or more of above .....
walk away from this mechanic and seek second opinion,
for you are striking lottery/jackpot IF if any two areas (out of 4) are both leaking simultaneously.

I suspect it is your valve cover gasket leaking.... which is quick and low rm to make good.

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post Aug 19 2021, 09:43 AM

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Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (Tesco) MB229.5
Oil Life : 8,784 km
6 months oil life .
ODO :322,798 km in
Car model: 2007 Toyota Avanza 1.3L
Engine: K3VE Multi Port Injection
Make up oil added : Nil, but .............
After current blotter spot test, some 100 mL of graphited engine oil in Elf Molygraphite 15W50 is added for its friction-reducing additives.

48 hour blotters,
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...ost&id=10905687
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...ost&id=10905688
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...ost&id=10905689
 
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Ok, the centre zone of this 8,784 km M1 0W40 is a bit grayish but remains transparent and not darkened yet indicating a moderate level of heavy and/or big sized contaminants and dirts is present.

Aureole zone/perimeter ring is not darkened but merged nicely such one cannot visually 'see' the demarcation between centre zone vs aureole zone vs diffusion zone, i.e 'structures' are kind of not formed.
It indicates the contaminants are very well spread out from centre  zone and it has not begun agglomeration and thus is good news.

Diffusion zone (of inner half) is slightly grayish but remains transparent. The outer part of diffusion zone looks like a clean annulus indicating very negligible amount of dirt contaminants.

The jagged edge has begun to darken a bit indicating water moisture content seems to be building up, but no harm for now imho.

There may be a very faint shadow of translucent halo at the outermost zone .....
possibly very light level of fuel dilution IDK. How I wish inter-state travel balik kampung is not prohibited under current mco , so that this fuel thing may be 'evaporated' off with a high rpm drive of an hour or more.

Overall I'm of the opinion this M1 0W40 at 8,784 kms is fit for continuing service and remains good to go.

Note: These current blotters at 8,784 km contains purely M1 0W40 oil .
The 100 ml of so of Elf Molygraphite 15W50 is today added on for its friction-reducing additives as a 'top up'.

Note2: The dark black dots in the centres of the blotter spots are probably caused by dipstick ends in contact with the A4 paper whilst taking sample.
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Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (Tesco) MB229.5
Oil Life : 11,080 km
8 months oil life .
ODO :325,093 km in
Car model: 2007 Toyota Avanza 1.3L
Engine: K3VE Multi Port Injection
Make up oil added : Nil, but dipstick level drops a little bit.
Added some 100 mL of graphited engine oil in Elf Molygraphite 15W50 at ODO 323k km 2 months ago.

48 hour blotters,

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With additional 2300 ish km travelled, previous evaluation on 2 months ago more or less Still applies in current blotter spot test.

Centre zone is transparent not darkened, absence of darkened aureole zone/perimeter, diffusion zone is transparent, some moisture signs and very very light fuel dilution halo, as like before.

No indication of commencement of agglomeration of dirt particles.

Detergency and Dispersancy properties are still performing as it should.

Imho, this 11,080 km used oil is still fit for continuing service and hence, keep going ..............

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post Aug 25 2021, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ May 15 2020, 02:12 PM)
Latest update from Mercedes as of today :
Shell Helix HX8 5W30 has still no MB 229.5 approval yet .
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Latest update:

This Shell HX8 X 5W30 currently has MB229.5 OEM approval!

Kudos to Shell....

I would highly recommend this very high specs with strong components protection HX8 X 5W30 oils to those of you who prefers xW30 to an xW40.

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Jun 5 2021, 07:57 AM)
Between the Shell HX8 X 5W-30 vs the Petronas Syntium 3000 5W-30, which one is actually better?

I have bought these 2 engine oil before.. The Shell was used in a Myvi. Noted it's clear colour engine oil which looks really clean and pure.

Syntium on the other hand was used in a Honda. Looks like your regular gold dyed engine oil,
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Hi,

New development as stated above.

The current generation of Shell HX8 X 5W30 with a newly acquired OEM MB 229.5 approval status would beat the hell out of the relatively 'lowly' Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30, in terms of performance specifications.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 25 2021, 10:10 PM)
Hi,

New development as stated above.

The current generation of Shell HX8 X 5W30 with a newly acquired OEM MB 229.5 approval status would beat the hell out of the relatively 'lowly' Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30, in terms of performance specifications.
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I believe the current HX8X in market circulation are the still old stock without the MB229.5 approval. Probably have to wait until next year before we start seeing the newly enhanced HX8X.
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QUOTE(zeng @ Jan 22 2019, 05:34 PM)
Toyota Type IV ATF
32138 km in Avanza 1.3 automatic transmissions.
50 hour blotter spot.
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On July 2020 after 18 months and 27k kms later at Odo 306,197 km another ATF drain and fill was carried out whereby one bottle 473 mL of K&W High Mileage Trans-X 75K Automatic Transmission Treatment was added, for the fun of it rather than related to any transmission shift problem then.

The transmission shift has smoothened and improved especially during everyday cold morning first shift.

Attached below is a 13 month 'dirtier' looking ATF Blotter Spot Test K&W mixture after 18,896 km at Odo 325,093 km and going......

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post Aug 27 2021, 05:27 PM

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Hi bro Zeng, pls help to review .
Suzuki swift 2007 1.5l, using Petronas 5w30 Syntium 3000 FR Fully Synthetic

Last changed EO on 3-July-2020
Current mileage clocked at 98k
EO only run for 3K

1st photo: 24 hours
2nd photo: 48 hours

This car is only used for short distance travelling.
EO still can continue to use?


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post Aug 28 2021, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(dopamine @ Aug 27 2021, 05:27 PM)
Hi bro Zeng, pls help to review .
Suzuki swift 2007 1.5l, using Petronas 5w30 Syntium 3000 FR Fully Synthetic

Last changed EO on 3-July-2020
Current mileage clocked at 98k
EO only run for 3K

1st photo: 24 hours
2nd photo: 48 hours
https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads//attach-12...-1630056122.jpg
https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads//attach-12...-1630056159.jpg

This car is only used for short distance travelling.
EO still can continue to use?
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Hi Bro,

Short trips is said to be 'bad' for engines apparently due to tendency or promotion of corrosion wear related to cold engine oil operation.

This corrosion wear is being 'reflected' in your low'ish 3000 km blotter spot of a rather high specs (with Ford and Renault OEM approvals) Syntium 3000 FR 5W30 here.

There is absence of grayed or darkened Centre Zone, which is good news.

However there appears to be emergent darkening of Aureole Zone/ Perimeter Ring, which imho remains harmless for now.

You may want to monitor and watch closely the potential further darkening of this Aureole Zone/ perimeter ring with continuing usage of this 3000 km FR oil.

The Diffusion Zone is light and clear indicating very low levels of combustion dirts/contaminant , another good news meaning it still has a rather large capacity to further adsorb further release of combustion by-products/contaminants with continuing usage of this used oil.

No signs of water moisture or glycol coolant contamination in this blotter, again a good news.

Thers appears to be very slight fuel dilution issue with very light coloured and translucent halo at the outermost zone which I believe remains harmless, despite the short trip driving patterns .

Overall, I would rate this 3000 km FR oil as fit for continuing service with very close monitoring of its trending of darkened Aureole Zone if it ever surface in due course.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 25 2021, 10:10 PM)
Hi,

New development as stated above.

The current generation of Shell HX8 X 5W30 with a newly acquired OEM MB 229.5 approval status would beat the hell out of the relatively 'lowly' Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30, in terms of performance specifications.
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that is good news. currently, I am using Syntium 3000 5w30 which is already due for change since July. I thinking about whether to continue the same oil or
switch to Shell HX8 X? For my past experience of Shell oil like HX7 5w30, the oil is on the heavier side and throttle not so responsive vs other oils I tried like Mobil, Petronas. Just checking how does this HX8 fare? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 25 2021, 10:10 PM)
Hi,

New development as stated above.

The current generation of Shell HX8 X 5W30 with a newly acquired OEM MB 229.5 approval status would beat the hell out of the relatively 'lowly' Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30, in terms of performance specifications.
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Hi Zeng,

Do you have any info on the minimum oil specification to meet the requirement for MB229.5?

I can't find any info on the MB 229.5 minimum requirement.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Aug 31 2021, 10:03 AM)
Hi Zeng,

Do you have any info on the minimum oil specification to meet the requirement for MB229.5?

I can't find any info on the MB 229.5 minimum requirement.
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Yes, it used to be very very difficult to find.
Give me sometime please, I will come back to you.
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 31 2021, 10:52 AM)
Yes, it used to be very very difficult to find.
Give me sometime please, I will come back to you.
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TQ Zeng.
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Penrite ATF FS Multi-Vehicle
21,087km on Honda City TM0 AT 5speed Auto transmissions.
50 hour blotter spot picture as above attached

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Sep 2 2021, 08:12 PM)
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Penrite ATF FS Multi-Vehicle
21,087km on Honda City TM0 AT 5speed Auto transmissions.
50 hour blotter spot picture as above attached
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Hi bro,

Generally no 'structures' in this Penrite ATF FS Multi-Vehicle 21k kms blotter spot which translates as good news.

My 19k kms blotter with Trans-X ATF oil treatment in Type IV looks 'dirtier' .......
probably due to some dirt being dislodged from the ATF fluid system?

I'd phobia in extending oil change interval of regular mineral ATF (like Type IV, Dexron III etc) beyond 20 or 30k km ....
even though US guys are doing it at up to 100,000 km, with a fully synthetic ATF though.

This Penrite FS Multi Vehicle has a solid parameters/specs and should do well in applications calling for Dexron III or Toyota Type IV, imho.

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Edit: Bro, mind sharing the odometer reading ?

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QUOTE(zeng @ Sep 3 2021, 01:10 PM)
Hi bro,

Generally no 'structures' in this Penrite ATF FS Multi-Vehicle 21k kms blotter spot which translates as good news.

My 19k kms blotter with Trans-X ATF oil treatment in Type IV looks 'dirtier' .......
probably due to some dirt being dislodged from the ATF fluid system?

I'd phobia in extending oil change interval of regular mineral ATF (like Type IV, Dexron III etc) beyond 20 or 30k km ....
even though US guys are doing it at up to 100,000 km,  with a fully synthetic ATF though.

This Penrite FS Multi Vehicle has a solid parameters/specs and should do well in applications calling for Dexron III or Toyota Type IV, imho.

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Edit: Bro, mind sharing the odometer reading ?
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Odo on blotter time were 145,570km
oil age about 1year 3moths old
btw i will redo the blotter as i felt that the engine wasnt warm enough for the test.
sunday morning will posting another 48hrs test .

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Sep 2 2021, 08:12 PM)
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Penrite ATF FS Multi-Vehicle
21,087km on Honda City TM0 AT 5speed Auto transmissions.
50 hour blotter spot picture as above attached
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Honda City GM2 year 2009
Current Odo : 145,933km
Date: 03/09/2021
Blotter time : 8:00am (picture after 48hrs)
oil age : 21,450km
Engine oil used : Penrite ATF Full Syn Multi-Vehicle

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 25 2021, 10:10 PM)
Hi,

New development as stated above.

The current generation of Shell HX8 X 5W30 with a newly acquired OEM MB 229.5 approval status would beat the hell out of the relatively 'lowly' Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30, in terms of performance specifications.
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Hi bro zeng, with regards to the new updated specs of HX8 i tried to find about the oil whether is it mid saps or high saps. Seems like no info on this. While Petronas Syntium does stated clearly is mid saps. In between both which is more suitable for Direct injection? Typical driving is city drive and occasionally highway drive only.
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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Sep 5 2021, 10:42 AM)
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Honda City GM2 year 2009
Current Odo : 145,933km
Date: 03/09/2021
Blotter time : 8:00am (picture after 48hrs)
oil age : 21,450km
Engine oil used : Penrite ATF Full Syn Multi-Vehicle
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Hi Bro,
This 21k kms Penrite ATF FS blotter shows total absence of centre zone, aureole zone etc , which implies good news or as new condition.

It is clean and transparent indicating nearly absence of contaminants in wear and/or absence of oil oxidation phenomenon etc.

This FS ATF should last longer than factory oils, I suppose.

Btw, what ATF oil does Honda recommends for this model , and what's the factory recommended change intervals if you don't mind sharing?

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QUOTE(zeng @ Sep 6 2021, 10:23 AM)
Hi Bro,
This 21k kms Penrite ATF FS blotter shows total absence of centre zone, aureole zone etc , which implies good news or as new condition.

It is clean and transparent indicating nearly absence of contaminants in wear and/or absence of oil oxidation phenomenon etc.

This FS ATF should last longer than factory oils, I suppose.

Btw, what ATF oil does Honda recommends for this model , and what's the factory recommended change intervals if you don't mind sharing?
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Hi bro Zeng,

Honda always recommend using their Honda genuine DW1 ATF oil which manufacture by Idemitsu Lubricants for Honda Auto transmission
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As taken from Honda Website were the oil change interval for ATF.

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Hi bro Zeng,

Honda always recommend using their Honda genuine DW1 ATF oil which manufacture by Idemitsu Lubricants for Honda Auto transmission
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As taken from Honda Website were the oil change interval for ATF.

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Wow, 60k km oil change interval for DW1 according to Factory.

I'm not sure whether DW1 is always a fully synthetic from factory, other than Honda approval (which Honda isn't issueing, I guess) and appropriate DW1 additives, this Penrite fully synthetic ATF base oil should equal if not better than factory DW1.

What's your typical oci for DW1 as practised?

May be time to read out more on DW1.

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