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TSzeng
post Feb 8 2017, 02:03 AM, updated 22m ago

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What do you think ?
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A1.1) Round 1: Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40 SL/A3B4 in 2005 Avanza 1.3L K3-VE
A1.2) Blotters for :12,238 km ; 13,000 km ;13,673 km ; 14,218 km and 16,593 km
Note:Finally oil change at 16,631 km (10,334 miles) in early May 2017 after 9 months in use.
Fuel in use:
Mostly use : (Brand/RON#) BHP RON 95 ;
Mixed with : (Brand/RON#) None

A2.1) Round 2: Total Quartz 7000 Energy semi synthetic 10W40 SL/A3B4 in 2005 Toyota Avanza 1.3L K3-VE
A2.2) Blotters for : 5,087 km; 8,665 km ; 10,616 km ; 13,478 km and 15,000 km
Note:On 31 Jan 2018,after 9 months in use,this oil is replaced by fullsyn Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 MB 229.5

A3.1) Round 3: Shell Helix Ultra Full Synthetic 5W40 A3B4,MB 229.5,LL01,VW 50200 50500 in 2005 Toyota Avanza 1.3L K3-VE
A3.2) Blotters for :5575 km;10099 km;14100 km ;17138 km

A4.1) Round 4: Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 (Tesco) MB 229.5,LL01,VW 50200 50500 in 2005 Toyota Avanza 1.3L K3VE
A4.2) Blotters for :9642 km

E1 )Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40 semisyn SL A3B4 :-
a) 16,593 km ODO 247k, in 2005 Avanza 1.3 K3VE MPI ;
b) 15,000 km ODO 262k, -ditto-.

Aisin
5W30a )Aisin FS 5W30 (non-PAO) 13536 km and 14990 km in 2002 Hyundai Elantra 1.8L G4GB @alphaz;

5W40a )Aisin FS (PAO+Ester) 5w-40 SN 12000 km in Elantra 2.0 NA (G4GC),ODO 194k km @speedy3210


Bardahl
5W40a )Bardahl MXP 5W-40 FS 4322 km, ODO 173k;6829 km, ODO 180k in Nissan Livina 1.6 NA @ putra23

Castrol
10W40a )Castrol Magnatec 10W40 SN 1537 km, ODO 234k km in 1999 Proton Wira 1.3 Fuel Injection @BravoZeroTwo

Honda

0W30
a )Honda HGEO Fully Synthetic 0W30 SN :
1 ) 3000 km;4000 km in 2011 Honda City,ODO 101,000 km @ cempedaklife;

2 ) 3750 km in 2011 Honda City,ODO 107,750 km @ cempedaklife;

3 ) 7110 km in 2011 Honda City, ODO 120k @cempedaklife;

4 ) 3222 km; 4622 km in 2010 Honda City L15A7,ODO 103k km @ Thrust;

5W30
a )Honda HGEO Semi Synthetic 5W30 SN:
1 )6797 km 4.5 year olds in 2003 Honda City iDSI ,ODO 57,506 km @ Trony;

Mobil
5W30
a )Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 SN C3 MB229.52 VW50400 50700 7000 km @ therain01

0W40
a )Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 SN A3B4;VW50200 50500;Porsche A40 3000 km @ therain01
b )Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 SN A3B4;VW50200 50500;Porsche A40 9642 km ODO 289k km @zeng

15W40a )HDEO Mobil Delvac mineral MX 15W40 (CJ4) 740 km/20 hours of track time, in KTM RC390 Motorcycle @e-lite;

Pennzoil
5W40a )Pennzoil Platinum Velocity 5W40 100%-synthetics 9900 km ,ODO 69k;17000 km, ODO 86k ;22000 km, ODO 91k in 2014 Myvi 1.3 K3VE EFI @Senscents;

Perodua
5W30a )Perodua SS 5W30 SM gold bottle 5000 km,ODO 133k;7000 km;8000 km in Kenari 1.0L @ahsam1212;

PetroCanada
0W30a )HDEO Petro Canada Duron XL 0w30 (API CH4/SJ) synthetic blend, 12707 km ODO 283k, in Nissan AD Resort 1.6L GA16 carburettor @chemistry;


15W40a )HDEO Petro-Canada Duron semi synthetic SHP 15w40 (CK4,E9,ECF-3) 11145 km ODO 295k ;12558 km ODO 297k, in Nissan AD Resort 1.6L GA16 carburettor @chemistry;


Petronas
5W30
a )Petronas Syntium 3000 FR 5W30 SN A5B5
1 )11680 km ODO 95680 km, in 2014 Kia Rio UB 1.4L Gamma MPI G4FA @90Boyz

10W40a )Petronas Syntium 800 SS 10W40 SN 4181 km in Toyota Vios NCP 42, Engine: 1NZ-FE ,ODO 189k km @XinG;


Shell
5W30
a )Formula Shell 5W30 SN GF5
1 )8500 km ODO 323k, in 1997 Wira 1.5 auto 4G15 carburrettor @Senscents;

2 )9200 km ODO 70k, in Mazda3 @wkc5657;

b )Shell Helix Ultra Fully Synthetic 5W30 A3B4 (Made in Hong Kong) 10060 km; 14160 km ;15999 km in 2002 Hyundai Elantra 1.8L G4GB @alphaz

c )Shell Helix HX8 X Fully Synthetic 5W30 SN MB 229.3 1069 km ODO 111k, in 2009 Honda City @90Boyz;

d )Shell Helix HX7 semi synthetic 5W30 SN A3B4 7400 km ODO 60890 km , in Mazda3 @wkc5657

10W40
a )Formula Shell 10W40 mineral SN ,5466 km ODO 395k km, in 1999 Wira 1.6 MPI @speedy3210;

ATF Blotters
Toyota Type IV 32138 km in 2005 Toyota Avanza 1.3 automatic transmission;

UOA/VOA:
VOA Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 (Russia)



Z) Further readings:


Blotter Spot Test Helps Improve Engine Reliability
Sample Preparation and Test Procedure: A Quick Guide
Evaluating Lubricant Dispersancy
Chromatogram Patterns
Motor Oil Testing On The Cheap
ASTM D7899
Condition-based Lubricating Oil Change

One Drop Instant Lubricant Test
On Site Oil & Fluid Analysis

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post Feb 8 2017, 02:30 AM

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post Feb 8 2017, 02:33 AM

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Looks good but how about the engine?
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post Feb 8 2017, 06:15 AM

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Why not? My engine is currently at 26000 km without oil change. Next oil change is in 3000 km.

The intervals in Malaysia are a bit excessive. Then again, better safe than sorry I guess? Maybe I should check my oil before I send the car for service... see how it looks like.
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post Feb 8 2017, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(Cruxs @ Feb 8 2017, 02:33 AM)
Looks good but how about the engine?

Well the engine is normal ok typically Japanese ..... am very happy with it.
No leaks. No smokes.


QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 8 2017, 06:15 AM)
Why not? My engine is currently at 26000 km without oil change. Next oil change is in 3000 km.

The intervals in Malaysia are a bit excessive. Then again, better safe than sorry I guess? Maybe I should check my oil before I send the car for service... see how it looks like.

Huuh....... intending OCI at 29000 km ??
Yeah, better safe than sorry if in doubt. ....... one really has got to know with confidence what's going on to 'breach' kopitiam talk or pays a price.
Anyway regular oil monitoring helps, more so with Blotter Spot Tests. smile.gif

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post Feb 8 2017, 11:22 AM

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if driving not aggresive. can tahan longer than usual oil change mileage.

last time i very poor use cheap mineral oil also go over 10k
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post Feb 8 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Feb 8 2017, 02:03 AM)
What do you think ?
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Edit: Pushing towards 12800 km... for now. blush.gif
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Very good. What car btw?
Do you often encounter traffic jams and are you an aggressive driver who likes to rev harder?
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post Feb 8 2017, 12:03 PM

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Last time my automotive trainer told me
If the engine oil easily change to black colour
The engine oil had better cleaning agent than other engine oil.
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post Feb 8 2017, 01:09 PM

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Thank you for your valuable comments, folks.

This is a 2007 Toyota Avanza K3VE 1.3L (same as Myvi 1.3L engine).

It has been on minerals Shell 15W40 and 20W50 (SL) for 5000 to 6500 km OCI till around 2010.
From 2010 to 2014 , I switched to better minerals ( ...... I bellieve) in Diesel Engine Oil i.e Petronas Supremo 15W40 CI4/SL/A3B4/MB etc approvals for 6000 to 8500 km OCI.
From 2014 it has been on semi synthetic Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40 till todate.

Driving style ..... I would say it's gentle and smooth gear-change for components protection ...
But morning start never wait for warm up and drive away from stationary within half a minute or so and touching 3000 to 3500 rpm in top gear within say, 1 km travel.
Whenever engine is hot enough, sometimes push to 4500/4700 rpm.
Never drive below 3000 rpm though !
To and fro USJ/KL Sentral about 20-25 minutes or thereabout one way, with short internal travels within Subang Jaya.
Back to Malacca on average 4 to 5 trips in about every 3 months.
Do you consider this as aggressive ? IDK.

Yes, I heard Mobil 1 full synthetic turns dark/black a bit faster as they claim it cleans better than other oils ........ Is that true ?

Hope it helps... tongue.gif

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wow. your oil at 12kkm still look so clean , same like mine at 1kkm.
using same oil like you but at 6kkm the color is almost black .
oci at 6.5kkm. total quartz 7000 semi from tesco. 3rd round already on my saga blm auto.

same color goes to my naza ria using same oil.at 5kkm..

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post Feb 8 2017, 02:59 PM

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Hard to say as colour hue on dipstick probably is not comparable against colour on Blotter Spots.
I have a feeling your Total could go at least 8000-10000 km no sweat assuming typical history of local oil replacement.
Why not share with us here your Blotter spot test sample.
You need a chromatograhy paper or white coloured name card ...... but I use a letter head ........other people say coarser paper and thinner paper maybe slightly different. IDK.
Mine is a bit coarse type paper and the sample above is about 48 hours after putting the blot, though shorter hours one looks marginally 'better' than this sample.
Refer to my links above in BITOG for some basics if you can.

Edit: My history of oil replacement above would suggest that my sample should be dirtier than others here.
Edit2: This Tesco Quartz Energy 10W40 is fourth round here.

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post Feb 8 2017, 03:41 PM

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Just changed my oil last month .
Just snap the oil on both vehicles @1000km
Color almost same..
Top naza ria
Bottom saga blm
Left new (cannot see) above the 500ms mark


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post Feb 8 2017, 04:11 PM

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Kudos for having taken the first step ....... and it's free and easy ..... keep 'playing' around with Blotter Spot Tests further ...... and along the way , take some 'guessing' out of equation....... enabling quite equal comparison of USA sunkist oranges against Australian sunkist oranges.

You may want to use separate 'paper' of say, A4 size for differrent engine/vehicle/auto transmisssion etc for trending (at a glance without fumbling around with different images while comparing..... ) ....
recording times/km travelled progressively.

Edit: if you are sharing images, may be good to write up oil brand/viscosity grade etc and vehicle brand/model/Turbo/engine or auto transmission etc. thumbup.gif

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Hmm maybe I'll give it a try sometime later but I doubt it'll come as clean as yours. Now is already about 9k km so normally I'd change at 10k.
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post Feb 9 2017, 12:33 AM

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If your targeted OCI is 10k km, then it's best to take Blotter Spot Test sample around 8500-9000 km and/or 9500 km sample with a view of ascertaining whether :
a )You must replace said oil at 10000 km as planned/scheduled if sample shows bad/lousy signs, or
b ) You may have option to extend OCI further if 9000 km sample or 9500 km shows that oil sample still looks nice and promising.

My previous OCI was 11000 km in Aug 2016.
So I took Blotter Spot sample at 10441 km (and at earlier mileage), which I felt OCI could be extended further to either 12000 or 13000 km.
Then at 11700 km and 12200 km , I took another two samples separately (showing far better result than previous Aug 2016 sample of 11000 km ) giving me confidence to possibly push to 13000 km OCI.
Hence my current posting here and on Bitog soliciting for comments .......which you could do the same!

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QUOTE(zeng @ Feb 9 2017, 12:33 AM)
If your targeted OCI is 10k km, then it's best to take Blotter Spot Test sample around 8500-9000 km and/or 9500 km sample with a view of ascertaining whether :
a )You must replace said oil at 10000 km as planned/scheduled if sample shows bad/lousy signs, or
b ) You may have option to extend OCI further if 9000 km sample or 9500 km shows that oil sample still looks nice and promising.

My previous OCI was 11000 km in Aug 2016.
So I took Blotter Spot sample at 10441 km (and at earlier mileage), which I felt OCI could be extended further to either 12000 or 13000 km.
Then at 11700 km and 12200 km , I took another two samples separately (showing far better result than previous Aug 2016 sample of 11000 km ) giving me confidence to possibly push to 13000 km OCI.
Hence my current posting here and on Bitog soliciting for comments .......which you could do the same!
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Where can I get chromatography paper, Sir?
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post Feb 9 2017, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Feb 9 2017, 01:09 AM)
Where can I get chromatography paper, Sir?

In Malaysia ? Honestly I don't know, mate.
You may have better luck with US online stores like Amazon/Ebay though.
Alternatively business card and coarse texture company correspondence letter head should be easily available.
In times to come, I may try Blotter Spot Tests (BST) on fine texture computer printer paper for comparisons.


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post Feb 9 2017, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(goohtj @ Feb 8 2017, 03:41 PM)
Just changed my oil last month .
Just snap the oil on both vehicles @1000km
Color almost same..
Top naza ria
Bottom saga blm
Left new (cannot see) above the 500ms mark
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Goohtj, do you have 48 hours( or thereabout ) pictures for sharing ?
Appreciate that.
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QUOTE(zeng @ Feb 9 2017, 05:39 PM)
Goohtj, do you have 48 hours( or thereabout ) pictures for sharing ?
Appreciate that.
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u mean leave the oil sample for 48 hrs?
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post Feb 9 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(goohtj @ Feb 9 2017, 09:25 PM)
u mean leave the oil sample for 48 hrs?
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I mean taking pictures 48 hours or thereabout AFTER depositing the above Blotter Spots of yours ...... as is my picture in post #1.
There is usually minor variations against those taken say, 2 hours after depositing the Blotter BST. tongue.gif

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