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 Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 17,834 km blotter M1 NewLife 0W40(Tesco)

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post Aug 12 2019, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Aug 10 2019, 10:52 PM)
Honda City Gm2 year 2009
Current Odo : 110,954km
Date: 09/08/2019
Blotter time : 6pm (blotter spot 24hrs later, will upload when reaching 48hrs )
oil age : 1,069km
Engine oil used :
Type: Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30

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where did you get the HX8 X 5w30? How much? Wanted to try but cant find it at shell station and even i ask those shell workshop. All carries
the Ultra 5w40 unless HX7 E for 5w30 semi which i dont want.
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post Aug 18 2019, 03:40 PM

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Hi Zeng. Any comments on this oil?

Mazda 3 2.0L Skyactiv
Current Odo : 98k+ km [due in around101,000km]
Date: 18/08/2019
Blotter time : 9am [picture taken 3pm] after approx 6 hours
oil age: last oil change is 91k km [March'19]
Engine oil used: Mobil 1 Extended Performance SN.
Type: 5w-30
Driving condition 60% city 40% highway [sometime highspeed revving.
Fuel used: BHP Ron 95




Can this oil last till my service due? I am a bit worried as most of the member posted is in golden color. Wondering this Mobil 1 ep oil is suitable? Been using 2nd time already.

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post Aug 19 2019, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 18 2019, 04:07 PM)
Hi incredibless,

The gray/darkened colour we see in this 6 hour blotter spot indicates there is presence of soot and combustion byproducts in this used Mobil EP oil, traveling outwards away from the 'centre zone' of about 8 mm diameter size.

With a 48 hour blotter spot later, we would be able to see clearer whether the oil detergency/dispersancy capability has badly deteriorated such that the centre zone is darkened and opague with possibly a dark-coloured perimeter ring surrounding this centre zone. This indicates oil life may be used up and require replacement depending on severity of black spot in the centre zone .

If the centre zone at 48 hour is light yellow/brownish, translucent and not darkened and opague, it indicates the oil dispersancy capability is in top form and likely fit for continuing service.

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So it would be nice to wait till the blotter spot 'matures' after 48 hours of drop to better ascertain the 'fitness' of the used oil.

Edit:If I must guess with a quick interim answer, in my experience, this  used oil should be good to last until your next scheduled oil change at ODO 101k km.
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I see Zeng. Thank you very much for your good information. I shall wait for another day to complete the 48 hours. Hope it will turn out to be fine smile.gif
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post Aug 20 2019, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 19 2019, 08:20 PM)
Mobil claims this M 1 EP 5W30 as extended drain interval oil of up to 15000 miles (24000 km).
It is A5B5 and has an OEM approval in General Motors Dexos 1 Gen 2.

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It has 0.8% SaPS ,Sulfated Ash Phosphorus and Sulphur content.
Hence I would 'expect' this oil to perform very well, despite of propensity of fuel dilution problem in a Direct Injection Mazda 3.
Anyway, looking forward to you sharing the 'mature' 48 hour blotter sometime later.
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Hi Zeng. Hereby i would like to update on the blotter test of 48 hours for your further analysis.

I noticed that the side has a clear stain of oil film vs the earlier photo i took [which was after 6 hours].

Here are the pictures. Good?

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post Aug 20 2019, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 20 2019, 01:10 PM)
Are you refering to the slightly grayish/darkish 'stain' just outside or external to the (2-3 mm width) Translucent Zone ?
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yes the thin 2-3mm after the patch. Overall how is this Mobil 1 5w30 EP oil perform? hmm.gif
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post Aug 31 2019, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 30 2019, 08:03 PM)
Has come across an M1 EP 5W30 UOA at 12000 miles (not km) on Bitog and it performed very well.

Will see if I'm able to trace the UOA on Bitog and upload here accordingly for the benefit of readers .

Btw, MI EP 5W30 has 20-30 % Group IV Poly Alpha Olefins (PAO) base oil.

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Wow, Quite a surprise it has PAO for the EP. Looks positive as I will look forward to continue using this engine oil in many oil change to come. I do have thought of switching to other oils but since this EP exceeds much. Will just use this oil instead.
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post Oct 28 2020, 02:11 PM

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Hello bro @zeng, could you help to analyze the engine oil below? Previous I was using Mobil 1 5w30 Extended Performance but try this well.

Engine oil: Petronas Syntium 3000 [5w-30] SN+
(from Mazda SC)

Model: Mazda 3 2.0L Skyactiv
Current Odo : 123,400KM
Oil age Serviced sometime in July 2020 [Travelled approx 6,500km already and the oil drop dipstick is kind of dark] hmmm
Blotter hours: Picture taken after 7hours plus (after 40mins driving)
Driving condition: Typical Klang Valley Jam and Weekends is highway [speed 80-140km/h]
Fuel used: BHP 97 but occasionally BHP 95....
Others:
-Occasionally hard acceleration [4-6,000rpm], using original oil filter by Mazda, if really not rush will keep speed at 70-90km chill driving.


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With lighting (while i am not sure which is the right way)

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post Oct 29 2020, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 28 2020, 04:59 PM)
Hi Bro ,
Your upper picture seems to indicate clearer there is very evident fuel dilution problem (despite this blotter being taken after 40 plus minutes of driving ) in this 6,500 km Syntium 3000 5W30 used oil .

Fuel dilution phenomenon seems to be peculiar to Mazda3 engines ,IMHO .

However from both your pictures with backlight , it is not  clear as yet whether this 6,500 km used oil has structures or darkened grayish zones like centre zone , aureole zone/perimeter ring and diffusion zone .

This is mainly because this 7 hour blotter has not fully matured yet , and the backlight in the above 2 pictures can obscure the contrast between the several zones mentioned above .

I would suggest later on you upload here blotter pictures after 48 or 72 hour of depositing the used oil sample on an A4 paper , without the backlight to enhance the contrast for a more 'accurate' evaluation .
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Thanks bro Zeng. I will wait for at least 48 or 72 hours to repost my engine oil test. Btw i think that i read somewhere you are from Pandamaran ka? Pah Sang people? icon_idea.gif
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post Nov 1 2020, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 28 2020, 04:59 PM)
Hi Bro ,
Your upper picture seems to indicate clearer there is very evident fuel dilution problem (despite this blotter being taken after 40 plus minutes of driving ) in this 6,500 km Syntium 3000 5W30 used oil .

Fuel dilution phenomenon seems to be peculiar to Mazda3 engines ,IMHO .

However from both your pictures with backlight , it is not  clear as yet whether this 6,500 km used oil has structures or darkened grayish zones like centre zone , aureole zone/perimeter ring and diffusion zone .

This is mainly because this 7 hour blotter has not fully matured yet , and the backlight in the above 2 pictures can obscure the contrast between the several zones mentioned above .

I would suggest later on you upload here blotter pictures after 48 or 72 hour of depositing the used oil sample on an A4 paper , without the backlight to enhance the contrast for a more 'accurate' evaluation .
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Hello bro zeng. I have waited the blotter test (72 hours) 3 days plus for your review. with approx 6500km travelled with the oil. Appreciate your advice on the blotter drop i did.

About the oil dilution, i check my dipstick level still same as i change my oil. No sign of oil level increase. However, Can this Petronas Syntium 3000 5w-30 oil last until 10,000km? I m thinking to stick one brand for long term though.


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post Nov 1 2020, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 1 2020, 10:51 PM)
Hi Bro ,

These 72 hour blotter spot test pictures should have been 'matured' by now , and it clearly demonstrates they are free of (or lack of) structures or zones like centre zone ; aureole zone /perimeter ring and diffusion zone which are good news as it indicates the superb condition of this Syntium 3000 5W30 used oil at 6,500 km .

Generally, the diffusion zone is very transparent and light yellowish in colour indicating very low levels of combustion by-products or contaminants .

The jagged edge is not darkened , indicating a very mild or negligible level of water moistures which is of no concern .

Yes, this blotter indicates 'severe' level of fuel dilution by looking at the very visible translucent  annulus of 80 mm and 65 mm diameters on my screen (of Right Hand Side of Top picture measuring in North/South alignment) .

This 'severe' level of fuel dilution is somehow not reflected in your so-called engine oil level increase .

IMHO, this 6,500 km used oil is fit for continuing service and IME 10,000 km is a non-issue and poses no problem whatsoever  .

Is the oil changed ?

Edit: IIRC, Mazda3 OEM recommended oil change intervals is 10,000 miles (16,000 km) in U.S. for a 2013/14 .
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Hi bro. Thanks alot for your reply and comment very much. Now i am confident that this Syntium 3000 is good to go until 10k km. This oil is not change before and infact this is my first time to use this syntium 3000 in which previously i tried mobil 1 ep and shell helix ultra 5w30 (ACEA A5/B5). As for the syntium I suppose it is a ACEA A3/B3 oil? Since its never stated (only SN plus/GF-5)
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 25 2021, 10:10 PM)
Hi,

New development as stated above.

The current generation of Shell HX8 X 5W30 with a newly acquired OEM MB 229.5 approval status would beat the hell out of the relatively 'lowly' Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30, in terms of performance specifications.
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that is good news. currently, I am using Syntium 3000 5w30 which is already due for change since July. I thinking about whether to continue the same oil or
switch to Shell HX8 X? For my past experience of Shell oil like HX7 5w30, the oil is on the heavier side and throttle not so responsive vs other oils I tried like Mobil, Petronas. Just checking how does this HX8 fare? hmm.gif
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post Sep 5 2021, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 25 2021, 10:10 PM)
Hi,

New development as stated above.

The current generation of Shell HX8 X 5W30 with a newly acquired OEM MB 229.5 approval status would beat the hell out of the relatively 'lowly' Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30, in terms of performance specifications.
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Hi bro zeng, with regards to the new updated specs of HX8 i tried to find about the oil whether is it mid saps or high saps. Seems like no info on this. While Petronas Syntium does stated clearly is mid saps. In between both which is more suitable for Direct injection? Typical driving is city drive and occasionally highway drive only.

 

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