I'm inclined to agree with your suggestion that the Helix Protect 0W30 A3B4 may not be doing its job in terms of detergency and dispersancy properties.

'Seeing particles' in the HDEO CI4 by Gin87 may mean the 'dirty' mechanical conditions of the 2019 Hilux Revo diesel engine, however I would like to assume this 2 year old Hilux engine is not 'dirty' per se but in very clean condition , what more its previous oil change intervals of 5000 km is too short and 'premature' imho.

Hence, I would speculate 'particles' as seen or felt by Gin87 inside the CI4 HDEO used oil sample is a strong indication of the excellent and top form detergency and dispersancy properties of HDEO CI4 vis-a-vis this Hilux Protect 0W30 A3B4.

Thank you for sharing a 10,000 km UOA of a HDEO in Chevron Delo Sports 10W30 in a Ford Ranger 2.2L diesel.
This UOA performance is fantastic but, its top up volume of 7.6L may have distorted the complete picture, no?

Btw, I wish you don't mind me sharing this Delo 10W30 CI4 UOA in Post #1 of this thread?

This post has been edited by zeng: May 2 2021, 11:49 AM

The picture doesn't belong to me though. You can use at your own discretion.

Most diesel pickup trucks have about 7-8L oil change capacity. The 7.6L figure should be oil change capacity.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, It doesn't quite make sense for a 10,000 km usage requires a top-up volume of upto 7.6L . Furthermore this WXM xxxx Ranger should be quite a new car at 201x(??) and the ppm for wear metal is reasonable without fresh top-up in general.

Looking at the low'ish wear metal ppm at 10,000 km travel, imho one could easily go further say, up to 20,000 km without breaching the laboratory wear limit, never mind this Chevron Delo Diesel 10W30 CI4 is a semi-synthetic oil.

This post has been edited by zeng: May 3 2021, 12:46 PM

A typical engine flush like the said Liqui Moly Pro-Line Engine Flush prior to an oil change would have helped cleaning out or dislodging carbon dirt contaminants previously stucked on the engine component surface, hence this is supposed to 'lessen' the workload of the detergency part (not dispersancy part) of the new replacement oil in this Helix Protect.

With 'increased' amount of loosened carbon dirt particles within the new replacement oil, the new Helix Protect should have been able to dispersed the carbon dirt contaminant, which I think it did.

However it seems to me from the 4810 km blotter spot test performance of this Helix Protect, whereby the centre zone AND aureole zone/perimeter ring are generally darkened but the diffusion zone remains very light and transparent leading me to speculate that the Dispersancy part of this Helix Protect may be struggling very hard to dispersed off or spread out the 'added' load of carbon contaminants further 'outwards' towards external zones like Diffusion zone.

This post has been edited by zeng: May 3 2021, 01:24 PM

After searching around, I've found these 2 oil in my local workshop that sells 'high end' brands like Motul, Morris, & Liqui Moly. Penrite HPR Diesel 5 5W-40 & HPR Diesel 10 10W-40, both semi synthetic & satifies both ACEA A3/B4 & API CI-4. A little bit thicker in viscosity but I think it's a good candidate for next oil change.


https://www.penriteoil.com.au/assets/pis_pd...emi%20Syn.).pdf


https://www.penriteoil.com.au/assets/pis_pd...emi%20Syn.).pdf

For me in East Malaysia still no Euro 5 B10, pumps are continuing with Euro 2M B10 😬 alongside newly introduced B7 Euro 5.

Both the Penrite diesel oils does not claim OEM approvals but merely claim 'Product Performance Levels' which in a way are two differrent things altogether.

Penrite HPR Diesel 5 5W-40


Penrite HPR Diesel 10 10W-40


Moreover, an API CI-4 oil pairs with ACEA E7 compliance, not ACEA A3B4 typically.

Assuming both of these two oils are appropriately self-certified with API CI-4 and ACEA E7 specification, they are of the high Zinc high Phosphorous formulations which can be bad for an oil consuming engine with 3 way catalytic converters and/or DPF.

However, it may be and should be fine with your new Hilux engine IF there isn't any engine oil consumption issues and its detergency/dispersancy additive package should be stronger than that of the Helix Protect 0W30 imho, a blotter spot test may be able to 'tell'.

This post has been edited by zeng: May 5 2021, 11:12 AM

Hi Gin87,

Attached below a 10,000 km blotter spot test of a Liqui Moly Top Tec 4100 5W40 ACEA C3 oil in a Russian Toyota Avensis 2.2L Diesel engine for comparison, i.e presence and absence of darkened Aureole zone/ perimeter ring between samples, not that they are conclusive though.




This post has been edited by zeng: May 19 2021, 01:55 PM

Hi Zeng, im not sure if i do this right but here you go

Campro IAFM 6 years old age. Mileage now at 134k km.

Sample taken after 40 minutes engine running, after 5 months after the last service at 130k km

Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30 Fully Synthetic. If possible want to drag the next servoce to 9 months. Thanks in advance bro.



This post has been edited by clockpulses: Jun 6 2021, 12:17 PM

Hi bro,

You did right with sample taken after 40 minutes engine running, exceeding my rule of thumb of minimum 20 minutes of engine operation.

With hot oil sample being taken, it would point to strictly fuel dilution phenomenon should the upcoming 48 or 72 hour blotter spot test develops translucent halo at the outermost zone ....
ruling out effects of cold blotter sampling method.

Please keep viewing/observing the 'ever changing' blotter sample images (for self education) until say, 48 or 72 hours post sampling till such time it sort of 'matures' and then upload the mature 48/72 hour blotter spot test image for more meaningful comparative assessments/interpretations vis-a-vis all the other 48/72 hour blotter spot tests in this thread.

Btw, you have here a rather high quality/spec engine oil in this local Petronas Syntium 3000 5W30 SN+.
It is a mid-SaPS engine oil of 0.8% weight Sulphated Ash (Hence I expect its superb performance, never mind the fact this Syntium is not ACEA spec'ed).
Don't worry about its seemingly low'ish TBN of 8.0 , my dear friend.


This post has been edited by zeng: Jun 4 2021, 08:34 PM

Between the Shell HX8 X 5W-30 vs the Petronas Syntium 3000 5W-30, which one is actually better?

I have bought these 2 engine oil before.. The Shell was used in a Myvi. Noted it's clear colour engine oil which looks really clean and pure.

Syntium on the other hand was used in a Honda. Looks like your regular gold dyed engine oil,

Hmmm.... thousand apologies ...
Syntium 3000 5W30 SN+ is NOT 'better' than Shell Helix HX8 X 5W30 imho.

Shell Helix HX8 X 5W30 SN+ has 'extras' in meeting additional specification requirements in ACEA A3B4 and other European OEM approvals which Syntium 3000 5W30 SN+ does NOT have, never mind Syntium is a mid-SaPS engine oil.

I should have been more precise in previously suggesting mid-SaPS Syntium 3000 5W30 SN+ as being of 'rather high quality/spec' strictly in the context of relative comparison among similarly spec'ed SN+ class of engine oils.

However, it is interesting to note that both of these two engine oils seem to possess a certain level of D1G2 Dexos1 Gen2 protection against LSPI (Low Speed Pre-ignition) phenomenon, though without appropriate GM D1G2 approvals.



This post has been edited by zeng: Jun 5 2021, 01:06 PM

Hi Zeng, below is the 48 hours blotter. The odo now is 133k not 134k as i previously mentioned. And its been 5 months and 1 week simce my last service at 130k km. Curious to know if i can still use it until 140k km or at least can drag to 9 or 12 months. Im not sure what is the black dots on the oil spot but this paper is not a new paper, it is a used paper and already printed



With a bit light at background


This post has been edited by clockpulses: Jun 6 2021, 12:15 PM

How much is the retail price of HX8 X 5W30 at petrol station?

My Syntium 3000 i bought at Petronas for RM180.
Really need someone to convince me if i can drag the service interval to 9 or 12 months. Nowadays, because of mco i dont drive that often and dont want to go to workshop too often. I dont mind paying a RM180+/- oil as long as the oil is good and can stretch as long as possible. But i do drive the car once a week (over 80kmph) for about 20 minutes.



This post has been edited by clockpulses: Jun 6 2021, 12:29 PM

One year can la.

Hi Bro,

Thanks for uploading these 48 hour blotter spot tests which I believe have kind of 'matured' and are not having vastly evolving changes with time, in the image.

Basically these blotter spots are lacking in undesirable 'structures' ..........
meaning the used oil conditions are in top form with plenty of life to go.

Centre zone (of about 8 mm diameter size in real sample) is not darkened and is clean and transparent, which is good news as it indicates very little or negligible amount of heavy and/or big sized contaminants/dirts being present in this 3k kms 5 months 5W30 sample.

There is also absence of darkened aureole zone/perimeter ring indicating the oil's detergency and dispersancy capabilities and properties of the used oil is intact and in top form.
Besides , there is absence of coagulation of contaminant particles which is good news.

Diffusion zone external to 'perimeter ring' (which is not darkened here) is light coloured and transparent showing very very low levels of combustion contaminants/dirts.

Darkened and jagged edge outside of Diffusion zone is absent , indicating absence of undesirable water moisture content in this 40-minute operation hot oil.

At the outermost zone, there is some slight appearance of translucent annulus called halo which indicates mild level of fuel dilution phenomenon in this hot blotter sample, which remains harmless for now with very little contaminants/dirts in this 3k kms 5 month used oil sample.

Overall IMO there is a lot more oil life to go on and this used oil is fit for continuing service.

Can this used Syntium 5W30 continue to be in operation till Odo 140k kms, meaning a 10k kms oil change interval or 12 months use in Campro ?

Well, I believe this Syntium 5W30 should perform well till then whilst you may continue to take blotter spot test say, at 6000 km and 9000 km mileage with a view of establishing the possibility of 10k kms oci, at a level/mileage comfortable to you.

Don't worry about the 'black dots' you mentioned as they are merely 'imperfections' in sample taking on a used/old A4 sized paper and it doesn't distort the 'reading' of blotter spot.

This post has been edited by zeng: Jun 6 2021, 01:54 PM

Completely agree with you on 1 year usage.

There were several Used Oil Analyses of engine oils exceeding 12 months use up to as long as 4-5 years (while with mileage as high as 8-9k kms or so) as showing very low ppm levels of metal wear particles .....
in countries having winters and summers.

Hi Zeng. Thanks so much and good to know. Fyi, there was 1 time i kind of "tortured" the engine by idling for long hours (i think almost 3 hours) under hot sun in the afternoon, the reason is unavoidable which i don't want to explain. Also within the 3000 km, there were mixed town stop and go crawling bumper to bumper driving and long drive (40km highway and 20km town driving per day).

I worried the oil is not usable anymore due to the above. Will take the 6k sample again next

This post has been edited by clockpulses: Jun 6 2021, 02:18 PM

Thank you. Also good to know. The car no more warranty so im not worried about the warranty will be voided. Loan also almost finished paying amd dony plan to change new car

Im working from home since early last year. I changed the previous oil on april this year. Ran 13 months. 3k km.

I intend to change yearly now. Unless i travel alot.