Thanks for the explanation. Just ignore the top 2/3 horizontal lines as it's something printed behind the paper. Overall, I see the engine is still in healthy state.

Mostly gentle drive, n some highway cruise 120-130kmh. Maybe it doesn't kill the EO in a fast way.
Mostly longer trips, 40km.

I would normally change out the oil for peace of mind.
Next engine oil will be using 4L Total 7000, 10w-40 n 300ml Rimula 15w-40. Left over HDEO....just put it in. Don't own a diesel car any more.

This post has been edited by ahsam1212: Feb 18 2021, 10:28 PM

I think this Total 7000 10W40 should do 10k km no sweat .
An HDEO such as Rimula 15W40 may also be good enough for 10k km OCI in an Inspira 2.0L , imo .

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This post has been edited by La2yboy: Mar 5 2021, 11:55 PM

After 2,243 km, the oil still looking great. How much is this Aisin FS oil?

about RM130 from shopee after some shopee coin redeem

Honda City GM2 year 2009
Current Odo : 139,832km
Date: 03/03/2021
Blotter time : 8:00pm (picture after 36hrs)
oil age : 2,243km
Engine oil used : Aisin Engine Oil Fully Synthetic with Pao + Ester SN/CF 5W30 (4L)



This post has been edited by 90Boyz: Mar 5 2021, 11:56 PM

Hi Bro,

There is complete absence of 'structures' like darkened/grayed centre zone; aureole zone/perimeter ring; grayed diffussion zone etc ......
which is good news.

There is also absence of darkened jagged external edge (indicating absence of water moisture) and absence of translucent halo around the outermost zone indicating absence of fuel dilution phenomenon.

This engine appears to be very well maintained and it has excellent mechanical condition IMHO.

In short, this 2243 km used Aisin PAO 5W30 is good to go on for sometime to come.

Besides, this oil claims as a mid-SaPS with PAO and/or Ester and it has superior base oil qualities, it is likely to perform equally well as this 12,000 km blotter spot test of @speedy3210, never mind that it is without Euro OEM approvals like MB229.51/52 consequential from selection of additive package etc.


Note:
Post #1 in this thread has more blotter spot test samples in other engine types of quite similar oils for comparison.

This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 6 2021, 11:48 AM

Hi zeng
Total car mileage 13x,000km
Oil mileage slightly more than 3k km
24 hours blotter after a short drive.
Oil age: 1 year.
Liqui moly 5w30 fully syn from shopee paul hew.



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Hi Bro,

I suppose this engine is Honda City?

Liqui Moly has 18 'models' of 5W30, mind sharing which one is yours?

There is kind of absence of 'structures' such as centre zone, aureole zone/perimeter ring, diffusion zone, darkened jagged external edge etc, which spells good news in tip top condition of this 1 yr 3k km used 5W30 LM engine oil.

However there is presence of translucent halo at the outermost zone indicating fuel dilution phenomenon in this 1 year 3k km very low usage oil which would be 'supposedly' bad as it promotes corrosion wear.

This IMHO is irrelevant and harmless by looking at the blotter spot test image, an opinion which may be verified with a paid high rm UOA which I personally deem unnecessary for our context.

Overall, I would consider this 1 year 3k km used LM 5W30 of very low contaminants/dirt levels as fit for continuing service in the engine.....
dismissing the myth of 1 year oil life limit on engine oil in use as propagated online every so often by .......

This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 13 2021, 10:53 AM

The exact engine oil is this one
https://shopee.com.my/product/19534140/5592...32-1615604613.9

Thanks for the feedback. When i purchased this EO, my intention is to test it out properly and decide if i should stick with this EO but then mco kicks in. Hence the 3k km in one year. I only drove interstate once in this year. Most drive is within 5km aka neighbourhood run.

I dont think i tested out the EO properly for a conclusion.
The idea was to change it at least a year once but a bit occupied to make oil change with my trusted workshop as i intend to make some other parts changes too. Maybe ill delay the oil change a bit more.

This post has been edited by cempedaklife: Mar 13 2021, 11:08 AM

bro zeng

Hilux Revo 2.4G Auto 2019
Fuel: Diesel Euro 5
Odo: 30,606km
Oil: Helix Protect 0W-30 API SN Plus, ACEA A3/B4
Oil age: 4,810km

Driving condition: 50% tarmac 50% off-road, mostly continuous 6-8 hours journey
Off-road condition: Hilly, muddy, dusty, occasional water crossing (depends on weather)

The oil sample was taken hot right after 6 hours journey, 2 hours tarmac 4 hours off-road

Can I chime in as a fellow diesel owner as well. I think since you off-road quite a lot, you should probably look to replace your oil by engine-hours instead of mileage. I don't know if Hilux has a setting for you to see how many hours have you run your engine. I would use 200 engine-hours as a baseline and adjust from there.

Diesel oil blotter test quite easy to see because soot loading is normally the first thing that destroys the oil. Your oil don't look too dirty or sooty (not very dark in color, only light gray color) but its dispersancy is starting to fail (apparent dark ring in the middle because it's not a true diesel oil with high detergents and dispersants. It's a good gasoline/petrol oil by Shell that can also be used in diesel cars. But your car is also probably still under warranty so cannot use other oils.

Perhaps you can monitor for another 1500km + recheck with blotter test

This post has been edited by e-lite: Apr 28 2021, 10:48 PM

Hi bro,

Thanks for uploading your blotter spot test images.

There is a shade of gray/dark-gray in the centre zone, indicating presence of some heavy particles not being dispersed outwards away from centre zone.

Looks like aureole zone/darkened perimeter ring is about to emerge and being formed, indicating commencement of agglomeration of quite big/heavy particles. Is the detergency/dispersancy properties of this Shell Helix Protect fully synthetic 0W30 struggling with 4810 km usage , albeit with some off-road application?? IDK.

The diffusion zone is clear and not grayish, which is a good news IF there isn't much dirt particles to disperse to begin with.

However do note Diesel engines are typically prone to soot production, question being may be this 2019 Hilux Revo Diesel engine is so good that it releases very little soot in relative terms vs others? IDK.

There is absence of jagged darkened edge surrounding the diffusion zone, indicating absence of water moisture (at 4810 km usage and 8 hour drive probably).

No signs of translucent halo at the outermost zone indicating absence of diesel fuel dilution phenomenon.

Overall, I believe this 4810 km Helix Protect 0W30 is fit for continuing service.

My concern for now is to monitor very very closely the conditions of centre zone AND aureole zone/perimeter ring as well as diffusion zone.

Edit: Is this Shell Helix Protect fully synthetic 0W30 SN+ A3B4(?) really a diesel engine oil??

This post has been edited by zeng: Apr 29 2021, 01:16 PM

Thanks bro for your suggestions. And no, Hilux don't have engine-hours monitoring stuff. And btw, I've been servicing the car myself since new, personal choice I guess, hahah. They use 15W-40 API CI-4 at Toyota service centre if I'm not mistaken. And before this, I've used these diesel specific engine oil with normal diesel fuel:


CRB Mini Truck 15W-40 API CH-4 (Mineral)


Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 API CI-4 (Mineral)


Caltex Delo Sports 15W-40 API CI-4 (Semi Synthetic)


Valvoline Power Commonrail 10W-30 API CI-4 (Semi Synthetic)


Caltex Delo 400 MGX 15W-40 API CJ-4 (Mineral)
I haven't tried this oil, but this one has a heavenly review from the off-road otais

I've been using these oil cuz it these were recommended by off-road otais in my area, and they say no need to use Euro 5 cuz it's like using Ron 97 in kancil.. But as I read more about it, the difference between normal diesel & Euro 5 is the sulfur content, in short, "cleaner" diesel..

From my observation, at 5000km, these oil tend to show soot "particles", by particles I mean something like a full-stop sized particles, too bad I don't have pictures to show..

Fuel economy increased drastically moving from API CH-4 Castrol Mini Truck to API CI-4 oil, Rimula R4X & Delo Sports was good, the worse is Valvoline Power Commonrail, noticeably heavier engine when reaching 5000km & there's "chunks" of things in the oil when drained, not particles, chunks..

And I was planning to try full synthetic HDEO like Shell Rimula R6 LM 10W-40 API CK-4 or semi Shell Rimula R5 LE 10W-40 API CJ-4

But as I was researching for the oil, I stumbled upon BITOG forums that explains the difference between light duty diesel engine oil & diesel HDEO, regarding RPM load, additives effect on catalytic converter, turbo lubrication etc.. This leads to the decision to follow manufacturer's recommendation on using ACEA B class engine oil, and at about 4810 km, the oil looks like this

not bad in my opinion, no full-stop sized soot particles, just fine-sized ones..

First time using ACEA B class oil btw

Thank you very much bro zeng for your detailed analysis..

No bro, this Shell Helix Protect 0W-30 SN+ A3B4 is not diesel specific engine oil, it just carries the ACEA A3/B4 spec that satisfies the manual

In your honest opinion bro zeng, should I continue with ACEA B class engine oil, or should I use diesel specific HDEO, better spec-ed ones like Shell Rimula R6 LM 10W-40 full synthetic API CK-4 or Shell Rimula R5 LE 10W-40 semi synthetic API CJ-4, for extended interval, in which only available in 20L pail here.

The only diesel specific 30 weight oil available here is this one

Total Quartz Diesel 9000 5W-30 full synthetic API CI-4

Like I said, your oil actually looks very clean but the oil is not doing its job in terms of detergent and dispersants. My diesel oil is black in color even though it's 1000km used only. If I got time, then I will take some pictures for you.

It is worrying that you can see soot particles in your oil sump which means your oil filter is not doing its job too.

From all your oils, I would recommend you use Delo Sports semi-Synthetic 10W-30. Good all rounder to give you high detergents and good fuel economy. Reason being is Delo Sports Semi Syn has very high amount of detergents that even Rimula R4X, Rimula R5 LE, Rimula R6 LM or Rimula Ultra cannot beat. The only one that can come close to it is Delvac 1 Fully Synthetic but that is so expensive.

Someone's UOA for Delo sports synthetic blend 10w-30 (credit to Winko Industrial):


This post has been edited by e-lite: Apr 29 2021, 03:03 PM


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Thanks for the clarification bro e-lite, will change the oil to Caltex Delo immediately.
Weirdly enough, Delo Sports semi synthetic 10W-30 is rare in my area, only 15W-40 is available, I believe the detergents & dispersants formula is the same aside from it's higher viscousity.

Agree with your assessment that dispersancy property of this Helix Protect 0W30's supposedly A3B4 appears to be failing and weakly at 4810 km usage in this Hilux Revo diesel engine, though it is fine for now.

Would be interesting to see how it will develop with time and continuing usage ......

This post has been edited by zeng: Apr 29 2021, 07:20 PM

🤔 your statement kinda got me curious too bro zeng, maybe I should try to extend it's usage & see how it develops over time, blotter test every 1k km

I forgot to mention that I've used Liqui Moly Pro-Line engine flush prior to this oil change, not sure if it affects the dispersancy of current oil...