One must take MMed for surgery if he/she is interested to become a surgeon? And i heard from a doctor that a MRCP paper will cost 8000 and normally what they do is that they usually will have already prepared 16000 for the exam. So that when they fail the paper, they could take up for the second time. Max 3 tries.True?

Btw i dun quite understand the specialisation and sub-specialisation thingy. Does that mean dat if one wants to be a neuro surgeon, pedatric surgeon, orthopaedic surgeon etc, he/she must first take up General Surgery den sub-specialise in orthopaedics etc? Same applies to Physicians, they must first take up Internal Medicine then sub-specialise in for example endocrinology, urology, otolaryngology etc?

This post has been edited by csrulez: Sep 1 2008, 05:11 PM

british system: generalist specialist first before sub-specialisation.....

american (and oz): directly into a sub-specialisation.....

there are pros and cons in both system.....

mmed is the only pathway left for msian surgical training......the mrcs (which replaced the old 'frcs in general') is not recognised by msia........and the subspeciality frcs requires recognised training jobs, which most msians grads do not/cannot have.......

spore is a good option for surgical training, but many cannot work there, degree not recognised........

So Malaysia is with the British system? Are there any entrance qualification exam for SMC in Singapore such as the USMLE and PLAB?

they don't believe in backdoor pathways.......

they are short of junior doctors, but they have lots of hunting grounds, targeting msians, education all paid by parents, and they just grab the finished product.....eg a team went to auckland, they could offer you a job on the spot, and get you registered within days....

see how long you wait when you return to msia and apply for you compulsory service........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 1 2008, 10:29 PM

Hello guys, was wondering how many A's you guys score in SPM to qualify to pursuit doctor carrier ? I was thinking of doing form 6 biology class.

yea getting into singapore fellowship is hard ... heh.. degree not recognized .. except for UM and UKM.. but it will be very competitive with so many doctors applying..

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Added on September 1, 2008, 11:14 pm12A1 above ( it must be 12/12.. in other words, perfect ) ... then u will stand a good chance of being selected for interview.... also u must be from average income family..

Form 6 u must get around 3.9-4.0.. but it's not a guarantee that you will get a place.. it's subject to variation every year ..

This post has been edited by blackrobin: Sep 1 2008, 11:14 PM

you do not, and SHOULD not 'qualify' to pursue medicine with spm......

based of the principle of top 5% being potentially suitable, and current results of spm, if you are not straight a's (1 and 2) you would be below the 95th percentile.......

blackrobin would presumably be referring to jpa scholarship after spm.........which is a different thing altogether......

as for stpm/matrik --->ipta........there are many more 4.0's than places, so even a flat 4 is no guarantee.......for ---->ipts, bbb+money will get you in......for --->overseas, (any grade)+money may get you in eg russia.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 1 2008, 11:20 PM

he meant JPA scholarships ... i think..
SPM is never a qualification for degree ... everyone knows that..

not true........many ipts/overseas accept from spm, they just add in a 'foundation' which could be just language training......

some ipts used to take in from spm 4 year engineering degree programmes......discontinued only when iem says they will NOT recognise any engineering degree from spm intake.......

No, I am not asking for JPA scholarship, just something above average result for SPM as I will be facing the examination in few months time and might as well set my target . 8A's - 10A's will be good for well known university/college in Singapore?

you cannot enter spore uni with spm........

which course? if medicine, there is only ONE med school with undergraduate entry.....and 4a at stpm would be a good starting point, but few are chosen......

No, now MRCP has unlimited tries. They just want your money. It's a good business.

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Added on September 2, 2008, 11:34 pmIt's very hard to secure a surgical training post in singapore for non-PR, even if the degree is recognized.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Sep 2 2008, 11:34 PM

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It's very hard to secure a surgical training post in singapore for non-PR, even if the degree is recognized.

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i'm not sure how true is this statement, but it shouldn't be a prob for someone from well recognised medskols to get an PR status.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Sep 3 2008, 09:53 AM

That's what i have heard from my friend's dad working in Singapore as a doctor. Even if you are a PR, priority will be given to citizen first.
I think the same goes for medical intake for NUS. My friend's brother (munsheng to be exact), was able to secure a place in Melb U but failed to do so in NUS.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Sep 3 2008, 09:57 AM

Hi guys! Just wanted to pop in and say hi!

I'm going to be a medical student soon, on the 1st of October to be exact. I'll be heading to Bristol Medical School in England. Nice to meet you all!

Hypermax: Melbourne University emphasises more on academic achievements while NUS takes interviews very seriously.(there are 2 or 3 interviews if i'm not mistaken). In fact, Melbourne University doesn't even interview its applicants for Medicine. I believe NUS is prone to take in whoever that are smart(not just academically)and citizenship shouldn't really play an important role.(but i could well be wrong)

this is again hearsay.

No matter wat, Spore still offers better postgrad opportunities to foreigners/foreign graduates as compared to UK, US, Aus.

And they r tryin to increase postgrad posts to meet the target of GP:specialists ratio to 40:60. currently the ratio is the other way round

This post has been edited by wgy589: Sep 4 2008, 06:51 AM

Nope, not a hearsay, but the truth. My brother (Malaysian) was top 10 in RJC, however, was rejected a place in medicine while those rank much lower than him got the offer (citizens).

However, it is true that Melb has less interviews than NUS.

This post has been edited by munsheng: Sep 4 2008, 09:12 AM

we are talking about postgraduate training here.......

as for undergraduate intake into med school, of course, like all civilised countries, they take in and train citizens to provide health care for their own citizens......(unlike some other places).......but allocate a few places for full fees international students, which msias are.......

remember, spore owes you nothing.......you are NOT a citizen ..........

With the same concept applied, why should SIngapore offer training posts to non-citizen? After all, they want to train their own doctors to treat their citizens.

This post has been edited by munsheng: Sep 4 2008, 09:28 AM

eh.........don't you know they are always looking out for human talents?.......once you start work, you are quickly offered pr........then they will also offer you citizenship........if you want.........

in case people don't know, 1/2 the doctors in mt eliz hosp are msians or ex-msians......