They can do the same thing for those undergrads. Why only post grads then?
It is actually better for them to offer citizenship to those foreigners during undergrad years in NUS. They will tend to understand the health care system better as they will be spending many years in SIngapore.

This post has been edited by munsheng: Sep 4 2008, 09:43 AM

cos it's cheaper to get somebody after he has trained himself........they know lots of msians chinese and indians pay a lot of money to study medicine at world class unis, and they just poach them when they graduate.......instant workforce without having to pay a cent, your parents pay, they reap the harvest......

it is costly to train a doctor, but at post graduate level, it's cheap, as the doctor undergoing postgraduate training is also working and providing service.....

why am I explaining spore's strategy to you all?........

True to certain extent, but then again, how many people studying in developed countries like OZ want to go to Singapore?

My brother studied in Singapore for 6 years, with all the education cost paid by Singapore gov. Yet NUS rejected him even though he is one of the best students in the country. So the end result is OZ gets a free doctor in about 6 years time, while Singapore looses a brilliant student, as well as the money paid to train him.

Something wrong in Singapore's strategy?

This post has been edited by munsheng: Sep 4 2008, 01:04 PM

lol? my post has gone missing...

raining gold in foreign land.. raining stone in homeland...
"stone" is not all bad
Most of us would still love to serve in malaysia .. don't you?

Singapore has too many brilliant students. You cant expect them to accommodate all into NUS. I know a few people who are wanting to work in Singapore after graduating from OZ unis and IMU-PMS. In fact NHG is always having their forum at IMU for PMS students to ask questions etc.

asean scholarship does not guarantee one any course after a levels.......

spore likes to do social engineering........they will tell very bright students they cannot do medicine, and instead channel then to other areas, eg, finance, etc.......(i was 'engineered' into dentistry, which i rejected)

studying in oz does not mean one will stay on there.......there are many examples of graduates after oz, going elsewhere to work, including spore.......

case example of one cannot be extrapolated to apply to the many.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 4 2008, 02:38 PM

i think u r too biased with ur bro's case, but rmbr, he's just an individual case onli, there r many other bright students who never got into NUS medicine, and reason being academics only accounts for 50% of total admission score, the rest depends on interviews, essays, and portfolio.

http://medicine.nus.edu.sg/corporate/app-m...missionfaq.html

It's very common for a country to lose their talents, and there's y spore are always tryin their best to retain the doctors, 1 way being to offer them wif postgrad training, get me?

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Added on September 4, 2008, 6:04 pmPR is offered to most foreigners studying in NUS, but few males took it bcos they have to serve NS, but not if they take it after Uni, And if they r doin medic/dental, they would have to serve 5/6 yrs bond, so definitely will try to understand the system lor, somemore majority of them will stay there for postgrad and practice.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Sep 4 2008, 06:04 PM

Yeah, home sweet home. Too bad our country is screwed up to the core.

Social engineering?? Wow, that's like communist man.
I know many UK grads from Msia want to work in OZ, but seldom heard of them wanting to work in Singapore. Personal preference. Also, many of my friends from OZ said lifestyle in OZ is more relax.
I myself like living in Singapore, but not working there. working environment is too stressful. However, this is only my opinion.

I actually heard people saying that most medical seats are reserved for citizens. Just like what limmeu said, they want their citizens to become doctors, so chances of loosing doctors are less.
The 5/6 yrs bond you mentioned is for postgrad or undergrad?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Sep 4 2008, 07:22 PM

bond after undergrad studies

That means it's better for NUS to take in undergrads instead of postgrads right? since the fresh grads will spend more time in the health care system

wat do u mean? they can apply for postgrad training after HO wat

there is also a graduate medical school in singapore... NUS-Duke GMS... a medical school based in singapore of NUS in collaboration with Duke university..offers medical degree MD for graduates... the fees are affordable..

i was thinking of taking this path but i calculated i would have spent 13 or so years in singapore if i were to register myself to SMC.. I find myself not ready for that ..

3 years = degree without honour
4 years = medical training in GMS
1 year = housemanship under supervisory doctor ( u must pass this before u can be fully registered to GMC .. i think da same goes to those from NUS undergraduate )
5 years = serving da government ...

but there are lots of opportunities for post-graduates training in sing..just like wgy589 mentioned..sing are trying their best to retain the doctors by offering them post graduate training.

there are pros and cons .. up to individual to decide..

This post has been edited by blackrobin: Sep 5 2008, 11:11 AM

Yes, i know that. That's why i said it's better for NUS to take in foreigners during undergrad years instead of postgrad years. They will tend to understand the health care system better that way.
Limmeu said that NUS has to protect their citizens as they are the ones who are more likely to practice in Singapore.

hello everyone....another medical student reporting in....

im studying in Monash Uni.....the not-so-nerdy side of Melbourne....

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Added on September 9, 2008, 12:48 pmhmmm so if u study undergrad med degree in SG u gotta serve the govt for 5 yrs?? so its like msia in a way?


This post has been edited by bhypp: Sep 9 2008, 12:48 PM

4 years for citizen.. 5 years for PR and international students..(housemanship period not inclusive)
both category have to undergo compulsory 1 year housemanship...

malaysia.. 2 years HO 3 years MO.. so 5 years lo ..

i believe there is a difference.......in spore's case, it's the bond for a scholarship to study in nus.....if a sporean studies overseas under own financing, they need not do the bond......and it is (or at least it was) compulsory for all med students, citizens and foreigners alike, to take the scholarship......

in msian, it is compulsory service, which EVERY citizen must do, before getting full registration.......irrespective of where you studied........and someone whose parents spend rm1mil in uk, upon graduating and returning, MUST also serve the compulsory 3 years.......even if he has worked say 10 years elsewhere.......

there is however provisions now to exempt someone over 40 years old from this service when they return, a contentious issue, as mma and many doctors disagree with the exemption........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 9 2008, 05:38 PM

At least in Singapore, the pay in gov hospital is much better. Also, post grad training in Singapore is much better than malaysia, with entry based on meritocracy instead of ethnicity.

the bond for foreign medical students in NUS is 6 years instead of 5 yrs. Honestly it doesn't really matter cos u can take up postgrad during this time.

I'm not sure abt Malaysia system, but i heard u can only take up postgrad after 5 yrs, with non malays having to wait longer. by the time u get a postgrad, u counterparts in spore r already qualified as consultants. i think this is a very impt consideration to be taken .

that means PR have to serve da government for 7 years including housemanship??.. wow

the service period posted by me is for those who study in Singapore..NUS and Duke-NUS GMS

This post has been edited by blackrobin: Sep 9 2008, 06:38 PM

For malaysian system, one can take up postgrad (local programme) after 4 years in service (2 years HO + 2 years MO). Of course, one can always opt for overseas postgrad training (US, UK, Aus, NZ) without adhering to such rules as well as the discriminatory policies.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Sep 9 2008, 07:31 PM