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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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AskarPerang
post Feb 25 2020, 04:46 PM

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Another cheap lelong unit check in from Almeyra Bangi.
Drop from 400k.

S&P price for the unit at RM450,800. Refer:

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AR3-21-06, Almera Residensi
Reserve price πŸ”₯πŸ”₯RM262,500πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
969 sqft
Freehold
Auction: 18-Mar-2020 (Wed)
*Malay owner

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Previous Auction(s) for this property
Auction Date Price
2020-02-22 RM291,600.00
2020-01-10 RM324,000.00
2019-12-10 RM360,000.00
2019-11-16 RM400,000.00
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post Feb 26 2020, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jan 8 2020, 07:27 PM)
Another lelong unit check in.
Owner bought the unit via subsale 3 years ago at 515k.
Now lelong at 365k.
Title issued and perfection done.

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E-16-2, Villa Wangsamas Condominium
Reserve priceπŸ”₯πŸ”₯RM 364,500πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
Freehold
1270 sqft
1 car park slot
Auction: 20-Jan-2020 (Mon)
*Anyone can buy
*Occupied unit (no info who is staying)

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jan 22 2020, 12:56 AM)
No bidder today. Further price drop.
So cheap also nobody biting? Hmm...all waiting for cheaper price so that can fight each other next month? 

G-5-7, Villa Wangsamas Condominium
Reserve priceπŸ”₯πŸ”₯RM 408,000πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
Freehold
1834 sqft
1 car park slot
Auction: 25 Feb 2020 (Tue)
*Vacant unit
*Non bumi lot
*Title issued but perfection not done
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 25 2020, 11:23 PM)
Unit sold at 418k today.
Good catch.  :thumbsup:
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post Feb 26 2020, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 26 2020, 11:59 AM)

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As we now know, m'sian property market never takes a nosedive, rather, it's a gradual downtrend because holding power is quite strong, plus there is always upward pressure from property scums agents and sellers, downward pressure is from buyers and owners going bankrupt. The latter is rarely stronger than the former, hence you see a fast uptrend blow slow downtrend. Banks just go whichever way the wind carries them. As long as the buyers stop buying, we can expect the downtrend to continue.
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post Feb 26 2020, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Feb 26 2020, 12:09 PM)
As we now know, m'sian property market never takes a nosedive, rather, it's a gradual downtrend because holding power is quite strong, plus there is always upward pressure from property scums agents and sellers, downward pressure is from buyers and owners going bankrupt. The latter is rarely stronger than the former, hence you see a fast uptrend blow slow downtrend. Banks just go whichever way the wind carries them. As long as the buyers stop buying, we can expect the downtrend to continue.
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Property is illiquid, price takes years to bottom. Until Overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.
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post Feb 26 2020, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 26 2020, 12:13 PM)
Property is illiquid, price takes years to bottom. Until Overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.
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Some idiot will attract foreign buyers.... long wait.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Feb 26 2020, 12:09 PM)
As we now know, m'sian property market never takes a nosedive, rather, it's a gradual downtrend because holding power is quite strong, plus there is always upward pressure from property scums agents and sellers, downward pressure is from buyers and owners going bankrupt. The latter is rarely stronger than the former, hence you see a fast uptrend blow slow downtrend. Banks just go whichever way the wind carries them. As long as the buyers stop buying, we can expect the downtrend to continue.
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the age old question of whether to rent vs buy needs to be addressed.. if it is cheaper to rent, then the answer is don't buy. and vice versa..


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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Feb 26 2020, 12:17 PM)
Some idiot will attract foreign buyers.... long wait.
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Before covid-19 Pandemic, there are many and better property investment opportunities available elsewhere.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Feb 26 2020, 12:19 PM)
the age old question of whether to rent vs buy needs to be addressed.. if it is cheaper to rent, then the answer is don't buy. and vice versa..
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Generally true, it also depends on how much cheaper it is to rent. If it's only 20-30% cheaper, I'd say probably not worth it. But I've heard stories where people manage to rent out their units for higher than installment payments, which I find hilarious.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Feb 26 2020, 02:46 PM)
Generally true, it also depends on how much cheaper it is to rent. If it's only 20-30% cheaper, I'd say probably not worth it. But I've heard stories where people manage to rent out their units for higher than installment payments, which I find hilarious.
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what's hilarious about that? I'm one of those people.. lol.

I figured a place where rental was high and property prices in 2016, was relatively low..

so in the end, I bought and over-time, the rental become more than my repayments. And the property price also increased.

I'm now shopping around for a new mortgage, and lowering my monthly repayments further. So my net positive gain from rental is now 7%.. (rental income deduct tax + interest+ maintenance+ upkeep)

That's how you play the real estate game. haha..

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post Feb 26 2020, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Feb 26 2020, 02:49 PM)
what's hilarious about that? I'm one of those people.. lol.

I figured a place where rental was high and property prices in 2016, was relatively low..

so in the end, I bought and over-time, the rental become more than my repayments. And the property price also increased.

That's how you play the real estate game. haha..
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I still find it funny. Why would someone pay more for rent than they would for installment?
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Feb 26 2020, 02:50 PM)
I still find it funny. Why would someone pay more for rent than they would for installment?
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They cant afford the downpayment for a loan?

Short term rental?

Renting out single rooms, but when combine the entire rental is more than instalment..
etc.

many reasons why somebody willing to pay more for rent than instalment.. lots of stupid and desperate people out there.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Feb 26 2020, 02:53 PM)
They cant afford the downpayment for a loan?

Short term rental?

Renting out single rooms, but when combine the entire rental is more than instalment..
etc.

many reasons why somebody willing to pay more for rent than instalment.. lots of stupid and desperate people out there.
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Can't afford downpayment for loan is not an excuse really. Just rent someplace cheaper and save the delta until downpayment can be afforded.

Renting single room cannot compare with installment payment. Different dynamics (paying for whole house vs paying for room)

Short term rental is acceptable, but there aren't very many people looking for short term rental, i'd say owner might average out the same as normal rental.
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post Feb 26 2020, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Feb 26 2020, 02:49 PM)
what's hilarious about that? I'm one of those people.. lol.

I figured a place where rental was high and property prices in 2016, was relatively low..

so in the end, I bought and over-time, the rental become more than my repayments. And the property price also increased.

I'm now shopping around for a new mortgage, and lowering my monthly repayments further. So my net positive gain from rental is now 7%.. (rental income deduct tax + interest+ maintenance+ upkeep)

That's how you play the real estate game. haha..
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Mind to share where was that?

Want to learn context on how to select such properties.
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post Feb 26 2020, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Vk21 @ Feb 26 2020, 03:44 PM)
Mind to share where was that?

Want to learn context on how to select such properties.
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quite easy la, search prop-guru & follow this rule:

https://www.pwlcapital.com/rent-or-own-your-home-5-rule/

I can show you one example la..

Ok take this prop in Johor Bahru:

https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-li...x-chai-30618552

Rm300k, applying the 5% rule, it will be RM 1245 a month.

The rental is going for Rm1300-Rm1400.

https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-fo...&newProject=all

Let's say you get RM1350/month in rent.

Overall, that will give you a 8.3% rental return or RM1250 a year net positive return.

IMO, this is a reasonably good property to invest in, as you have a good chance of a net positive cashflow from your rental..


I spent 40 mins to find this example.. You just got to keep searching in the parameters la.. Eventually, you will find an investment prop that meets your budget and requirements..

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post Feb 27 2020, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 1 2020, 05:39 AM)
No bidder again at 263k.  sweat.gif
Remember owner bought the unit at 450k.
Now is 200k loss at least.

C-18-7, Type F, Hedgeford 10
Reserve price πŸ”₯πŸ”₯RM 237,000‬πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
Freehold
562sqft, 1 car park slots
Corner/End lot unit
Auction: End of Feb 2020
*Occupied unit (tenant staying)

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 27 2020, 10:46 AM)
Attracted 4 bidders.
Sold at 242k just now.
Good catch. Tenant also already left the unit. Vacant unit now.  :thumbsup:

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post Feb 27 2020, 10:46 PM

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Wangsa Maju studio (562 sqft) at $450K is ridiculous.

No wonder drop below $250K in auction.




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post Feb 28 2020, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 28 2020, 11:34 AM)
Another cheap lelong unit check in from here.
Drop from 600k.
Now 40% off bank value. At 6th round re-auction. 

C-9-20, Block C, Armanee Condominium
Reserve price πŸ”₯πŸ”₯RM342,000πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
1645 sqft (duplex)
Leasehold until 2111
Auction:  11-Mar-2020 (Wed)

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Previous Auction(s) for this property
Auction Date  Price
2019-09-12  RM360,000.00
2019-03-13  RM440,000.00
2019-01-30  RM486,000.00
2018-12-14  RM540,000.00
2018-08-29  RM600,000.00
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post Mar 1 2020, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(QueenOfBlade @ Mar 1 2020, 08:19 PM)
Just checked last week, about 10+ units left from developer. But the condition wasnt that good as it's unoccupied for 7 years, all the partly furnished item are pretty old, stained, yellowish and have to be replaced before moving in. The island they provide comes with solid surface only and it's totally dark yellow now. The see hoy chan salesgirl said can be polish but I doubt that.
Kitchen cabinets are using melamine only, also very yellow.
6 airconds condition looks very old and yellowish too. Not sure whether it's working..
Buildin wardrobe in all 4 rooms are with some yellow patches here and there.. Definitely not using..
I would rather they sell unfurnished unit. Imagine how much I need to pay to remove everything before install new ones..Β 
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And the warranty is over, the developer selling as it is. They are not going to repair or touch up anything for you.
1.4m for such condition now way la..

If want to buy may consider secondhand unit, some renovate quite nice and still nice condition too.. Some of them selling at 1.45m+, it's like selling at their purchasing price after 7 years..
But if you really like to stay at BU location, probably worth it..
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post Mar 2 2020, 04:31 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 2 2020, 03:07 AM)
Cheap lelong unit check in below 400k once again.

A-33-12, Residensi Aurora
Reserve price πŸ”₯πŸ”₯RM381,000πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
Leasehold
1141sqft, 2 car park slots
Auction:  10-Mac-20 (Tue)
*non bumi lot

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have a quesiton to ask all sifus

not sure am i asking in the correct thread.

i bought a unit of CITIZEN 2 condo by BINASTRA( my first housing property) on 2017.

After 3yr+, the price doesnt even go up a single cents, but instead it went down.

Should i sell it off?

or keep it?

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