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Najmods
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May 28 2008, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 28 2008, 06:42 PM) I ask for price...and how much for LME49720? Can you test the opamp output DC offset using digital multimeter? because i read from head-fi who shorted the decoupling cap detected some DC offset from opamp output terminal.... why you removed it? you are not to use line-In anymore? I've told you before, I take all those caps from dead soundcard or motherboard, I don't buy it. How to measure DC offset? I'm not bothered with RMAA result anymore. that is why I don't solder them  Edit: I resolder them back just to test RMAA, here's the result
This post has been edited by Najmods: May 28 2008, 06:58 PM
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coolkwc
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May 28 2008, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 28 2008, 06:51 PM) I've told you before, I take all those caps from dead soundcard or motherboard, I don't buy it. How to measure DC offset? I'm not bothered with RMAA result anymore. that is why I don't solder them  Edit: I resolder them back just to test RMAA, here's the result
just test the left and right channel refer to ground without music playback...with coupling cap, the value should be very near to 0V.... EDIT: I pursue myself very hardly to not changing the opamp, but you poison me again, i hate you... This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 28 2008, 07:43 PM
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Najmods
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May 28 2008, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 28 2008, 07:25 PM) just test the left and right channel refer to ground without music playback...with coupling cap, the value should be very near to 0V.... I got negative values, -0.17V to be exact. I don't know what that means though Anyone here knows what is the pinout for 3.5mm female gold jack on this X-Fi? I want to use RCA jack as primary out
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coolkwc
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May 28 2008, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 28 2008, 07:45 PM) I got negative values, -0.17V to be exact. I don't know what that means though Anyone here knows what is the pinout for 3.5mm female gold jack on this X-Fi? I want to use RCA jack as primary out how about real channel ST4558 DC offset? urgent men... This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 28 2008, 07:49 PM
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Najmods
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May 28 2008, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 28 2008, 07:49 PM) how about real channel ST4558 DC offset? urgent men... Absolute zero, no reading at all (maybe because I disable rear channel I think), why do you ask? EDIT: I checked it again with 5.1 enabled, it registered 0.002V This post has been edited by Najmods: May 28 2008, 08:05 PM
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coolkwc
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May 28 2008, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 28 2008, 08:01 PM) Absolute zero, no reading at all (maybe because I disable rear channel I think), why do you ask? EDIT: I checked it again with 5.1 enabled, it registered 0.002V you are now facing a dangerous to overheat your amplifier... QUOTE Oops I see you are talking of the power circuit not the input circuit, Shorting these would cause the 5 volt regulator to fail & ruin your card The caps that I shorted are in the signal path from the DAC to the opamp to both the positive & negative inputs these have less than +3 volt on them which gets cancelled in the opamp. This is true D.C. coupling & there is a small D.C. offset left over. Most amps are not D.C. coupled so this is not much of an issue but be aware some high end amps ARE D.C. COUPLED as well & may have NO D.C. OFFSET PROTECTION. 30 millivolts times 16 (a typical gain for a power amp = .48 volts). THIS IS enough to cause concern about OVERHEATING such an amp. Capitals are for emphasis.
I can get away with this even though all my amps are D.C. coupled because my preamp has D.C. protection built in by using a D.C. servo so the excess D.C. is cancelled in the preamp. The modder who using LM4562 and shorted cap only register 10-30mV, but you get almost 170mV, too high, maybe you put back the shorted cap and measure again if you wish... This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 28 2008, 08:38 PM
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XTREME
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May 28 2008, 08:41 PM
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coolkwc
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May 28 2008, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(XTREME @ May 28 2008, 08:41 PM) How much you want to let go your LM4562 + LME49720?  EDIT QUOTE Be aware that the card puts out about 30millivolt D.C. with stock op amp at output with the coupling caps shorted. This may not seem like a lot & in most cases its not but if you have D.C. coupled amps upstream without D.C. offset compensation you can cause the amp to over heat & possably damage you amp & speakers.
You will also notice some popping sounds as the computer is booting up & shutting down. This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 28 2008, 08:45 PM
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XTREME
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May 28 2008, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 28 2008, 08:43 PM) How much you want to let go your LM4562 + LME49720?  I'm gonna start my 2nd promotion here... lulz any crouching tiger hidden dragon x-fi owner viewing this & tempted to mod?
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Najmods
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May 28 2008, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 28 2008, 08:34 PM) you are now facing a dangerous to overheat your amplifier... The modder who using LM4562 and shorted cap only register 10-30mV, but you get almost 170mV, too high, maybe you put back the shorted cap and measure again if you wish... its minus 170mV, not +170 mV Furthermore I'm sure my Technics amplifier have DC offset protection This post has been edited by Najmods: May 28 2008, 09:15 PM
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coolkwc
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May 28 2008, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 28 2008, 09:00 PM) its minus 170mV, not +170 mV EDIT:Furthermore I'm sure my Technics amplifier have DC offset protection Actually the same...if you direct connecting your headphone/earphone onto it, your headphone/earphone diaphragm will displace from it original position depends on negative or positive DC offset... EDIT: Then is OK... This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 28 2008, 09:19 PM
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Najmods
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May 28 2008, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 28 2008, 09:15 PM) Actually the same...if you direct connecting your headphone/earphone onto it, your headphone/earphone diaphragm will displace from it original position depends on negative or positive DC offset... I've edit my previous post. My Technics amp have DC offset protection, hehehe
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Najmods
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May 29 2008, 12:24 AM
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I use 33uF tantalum caps on the 4 decoupling caps and measure the DC offset, its exactly 0.030V. Sound quality wise there is slight difference, no caps sound a bit better
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coolkwc
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May 29 2008, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 29 2008, 12:24 AM) I use 33uF tantalum caps on the 4 decoupling caps and measure the DC offset, its exactly 0.030V. Sound quality wise there is slight difference, no caps sound a bit better  Trodas said Tantalum cap is not suitable for this mod...
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Najmods
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May 29 2008, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 29 2008, 12:33 AM) Trodas said Tantalum cap is not suitable for this mod...  I just used for testing, I'll short them back afterwards anyway. There is no problem with tantalum anyway, I used it on Prodigy HD2 before, it just sounds a bit bright thats all
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UNDERGROUND
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May 29 2008, 09:07 AM
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I wonder how's the SQ if i swap the 4 caps to Pana FM...
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Najmods
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May 29 2008, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ May 29 2008, 09:07 AM) I wonder how's the SQ if i swap the 4 caps to Pana FM... I twill sound better than stock, but still not as good as shorting them Edit: My X-Fi PureMusic™ is finally completed, my last mod is making RCA out
This post has been edited by Najmods: May 29 2008, 10:12 AM
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UNDERGROUND
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May 29 2008, 07:48 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(Najmods @ May 29 2008, 10:05 AM) I twill sound better than stock, but still not as good as shorting them Edit: My X-Fi PureMusic™ is finally completed, my last mod is making RCA out
You giving your opamp more juice with those wires ? Or it is for something else ?
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coolkwc
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May 29 2008, 08:39 PM
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nola, the wire is connected from sound card to his Amplifier Input terminal only because he don't want to use 3.5mm to RCA cable...nothing to do with the 'juice'...
This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 29 2008, 08:52 PM
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Skylinestar
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May 31 2008, 02:23 PM
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from creativeQUOTE Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Windows Vista compatibility Certified UAA compliant for maximum Windows Vista compatibility. WTF creative is doing This post has been edited by Skylinestar: May 31 2008, 02:24 PM
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