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post Mar 3 2017, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Mar 3 2017, 08:38 AM)
=.= this thread seems rather dead... Just ask a suggestion for Seagate Skyhawk vs sv35 seems like no replies. Not requiring a 24/7 support or instant one since it's a free joint community advice only. But at least an advise at least?

Why when picking fault against each others view, only all the experts will appear.
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Harddisk dead like VHS already replacing by rapid SSD laugh.gif doh.gif
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post Mar 3 2017, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 3 2017, 12:30 PM)
Harddisk dead like VHS already replacing by rapid SSD laugh.gif doh.gif
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If dead like vhs, then still many people use vhs to store porn because of cheap and big storage unlike ssd. At least you can store many episodes and 1080p somemore. Enough to store 4k ones too. Ssd store a few, low disk space.
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post Mar 16 2017, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Mar 3 2017, 08:38 AM)
=.= this thread seems rather dead... Just ask a suggestion for Seagate Skyhawk vs sv35 seems like no replies. Not requiring a 24/7 support or instant one since it's a free joint community advice only. But at least an advise at least?

Why when picking fault against each others view, only all the experts will appear.
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Well, Seagate screw up since the old SV35 a few years back and whatever they touch they screw it up. But they are actively coming back to the desktop HDD scene. I have yet to test their new Skyhawk since i converted to Purple then. But seems Toshiba as a niche player with limited products is quite good for surveillance HDD. If you are in this line I can put you in the loop for their free flow non-halal events! brows.gif

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post Mar 16 2017, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Mar 16 2017, 09:51 AM)
Well, Seagate screw up since the old SV35 a few years back and whatever they touch they screw it up. But they are actively coming back to the desktop HDD scene. I have yet to test their new Skyhawk since i converted to Purple then. But seems Toshiba as a niche player with limited products is quite good for surveillance HDD. If you are in this line I can put you in the loop for their free flow non-halal events! brows.gif
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It wasn't just seagate. Seems to me western digital was screwing up as well. Their blue and green series seems to be a junk series that have been rma very frequently. After 1 years sharp, it'll die. Some last till 2 years mark and fail very punctually. Nice strategy of western digital to be calculative to make you dump your hdd after 2years.
This seems to be a joint collaboration strategy made by western digital and seagate because Harddisk price fell like dirt cheap. In order to secure their revenue, they made rainbow color and gothic names model with different price range. But nicely, none of the harddisk will ever survive past a legendary 10 years mark. You pay RM100-200 with a bigger space gb, it'll bound to fail after 1-2 years. You pay 200-300 ,it'll fail after 3-4 years. You pay 300-500 , it'll fail after 7 years. The manufacturers such as seagate and western digital knows that nowadays, it's hard for everyone to live without 1 tb. It's a common storage numbers. So in order have free flow of money coming into their company, they design their hdd to die after certain cycle of useage.
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QUOTE(darkskies @ Mar 16 2017, 09:48 PM)
It wasn't just seagate. Seems to me western digital was screwing up as well. Their blue and green series seems to be a junk series that have been rma very frequently. After 1 years sharp, it'll die. Some last till 2 years mark and fail very punctually. Nice strategy of western digital to be calculative to make you dump your hdd after 2years.
This seems to be a joint collaboration strategy made by western digital and seagate because Harddisk price fell like dirt cheap. In order to secure their revenue, they made rainbow color and gothic names model with different price range. But nicely, none of the harddisk will ever survive past a legendary 10 years mark. You pay RM100-200 with a bigger space gb, it'll bound to fail after 1-2 years. You pay 200-300 ,it'll fail after 3-4 years. You pay 300-500 , it'll fail after 7 years. The manufacturers such as seagate and western digital knows that nowadays, it's hard for everyone to live without 1 tb. It's a common storage numbers. So in order have free flow of money coming into their company, they design their hdd to die after certain cycle of useage.
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I miss very old items where its used 2 made lasting more than 10 years argh doh.gif
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post Mar 22 2017, 04:34 PM

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Just random question. 1 unit 6TB hard disk or 2 unit 3TB hard disk? Which combination better 4 better file protection? hmm.gif icon_idea.gif

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post Apr 9 2017, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Mar 16 2017, 09:48 PM)
It wasn't just seagate. Seems to me western digital was screwing up as well. Their blue and green series seems to be a junk series that have been rma very frequently. After 1 years sharp, it'll die. Some last till 2 years mark and fail very punctually. Nice strategy of western digital to be calculative to make you dump your hdd after 2years.
This seems to be a joint collaboration strategy made by western digital and seagate because Harddisk price fell like dirt cheap. In order to secure their revenue, they made rainbow color and gothic names model with different price range. But nicely, none of the harddisk will ever survive past a legendary 10 years mark. You pay RM100-200 with a bigger space gb, it'll bound to fail after 1-2 years. You pay 200-300 ,it'll fail after 3-4 years. You pay 300-500 , it'll fail after 7 years. The manufacturers such as seagate and western digital knows that nowadays, it's hard for everyone to live without 1 tb. It's a common storage numbers. So in order have free flow of money coming into their company, they design their hdd to die after certain cycle of useage.
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If what you mention was really happening , does a big company like Cloud storage earing ?

Eg , 1TB for google drive per year.Most part will be raid as for cloud storage which it'll be 1+1TB or 2 hard drive.If it tend to fail within 1-2 years sharp the cost of earning will be lower.
Surely there are some extra stuff which I didn't add in example power consume , maintenance , security and etc.
Hard disk maybe in a better warranty state + contract with hard disk OEM.

I am not too good in understanding on HDD hopefully someone will explain more in deep.
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post Apr 10 2017, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Apr 9 2017, 10:24 PM)
If what you mention was really happening , does a big company like Cloud storage earing ?

Eg , 1TB for google drive per year.Most part will be raid as for cloud storage which it'll be 1+1TB or 2 hard drive.If it tend to fail within 1-2 years sharp the cost of earning will be lower.
Surely there are some extra stuff which I didn't add in example power consume , maintenance , security and etc.
Hard disk maybe in a better warranty state + contract with hard disk OEM.

I am not too good in understanding on HDD hopefully someone will explain more in deep.
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You assuming Google uses the same Sata hdd as you do? I believe they uses top notch server built storage that last very long and have very low failure rate. It's business and those storage runs 24/7 around the clock. Normal hdd like ours if used in their server will die in a week or perhaps could not last through 3 days. Yeap it's raid which means wearing up the spin cycle even further more. Besides, I'm unsure if our normal hdd could even fit into Google servers.. It needs to be hot swappable without the need to down the servers. I believe neither ahci nor ide provide such convenience to be hot swappable without booting off windows. Maybe USB but I don't think Google is dumb enough to have USB all over the servers to contain the huge amount of storage space just for the convenience of hot swappable.
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QUOTE(darkskies @ Apr 10 2017, 09:50 PM)
You assuming Google uses the same Sata hdd as you do?  I believe they uses top notch server built storage that last very long and have very low failure rate. It's business and those storage runs 24/7 around the clock.  Normal hdd like ours if used in their server will die in a week or perhaps could not last through 3 days. Yeap it's raid which means wearing up the spin cycle even further more. Besides,  I'm unsure if our normal hdd could even fit into Google servers.. It needs to be hot swappable without the need to down the servers.  I believe neither ahci nor ide provide such convenience to be hot swappable without booting off windows. Maybe USB but I don't think Google is dumb enough to have USB all over the servers to contain the huge amount of storage space just for the convenience of hot swappable.
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I dont know , what i saw at the video is using normal HD like us.Did I saw it wrongly ? Still someone care to explain how to earn if cloud was to run non stop ?
Electric bill cost , drive failure within 2 years and etc ?
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Apr 13 2017, 01:32 AM)

I dont know , what i saw at the video is using normal HD like us.Did I saw it wrongly ? Still someone care to explain how to earn if cloud was to run non stop ?
Electric bill cost , drive failure within 2 years and etc ?
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I assume that from what you ask, you might have already Google up the answers yourself. But you would like further citations from someone else. I've to say this is close business strategy. If someone is able to lay it out on spreadsheet on your questions, he can be either the new ceo of Google or Google will have to worry about a new competitor. Electric cost I assume you saw the word green and economy energy Google data center. Disk failure rate I believe would be something they won't reveal. If you look closely the hdd, they are not showing what kind of hdd they using. But do you want your business to be full of failing hdd if you operate a Datacenter? Yes we talk about raids that has mirroring and failing one has multiple ones to replace. But I can assure you, the hdd you have on hand is quite different from the one that's provided to Google data centers. They have contracts straight from the manufacturer itself or perhaps indirectly with a distributor. Which has some form of warranty on those hdd. Like dell's hdd warranty for enterprise. I remember is around rm500 annually. The hdd if spoil, Dell will send you a new one directly without rma your current faulty one. I believe is same as what Google operates on. Or something closer. But take note, like what I said, as a manufacturer yourself, do you want to keep warranty those failing hdd? Your company will immediately bankrupt to cover those losses. I might have overlooked the Sata hdd part because I used to seen scsi hdd that looks the same size as Sata. The only difference is the connector. There are other type SAS. I believe most data centers operates on that one.
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what hdd do u guys recommend? recently the WD hdd quality seems to be getting worst. is seagate good?
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QUOTE(siauann @ May 29 2017, 12:09 PM)
what hdd do u guys recommend? recently the WD hdd quality seems to be getting worst. is seagate good?
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Yeah, what do u guys recommend for HDDs? Is WD purple a good choice compare to WD blue and green? Thinking of trying out other brands.
I regret myself for not buying samsung HDDs when they're available. Both of mine Samsung HDDs still alive and kicking for almost 9 years already.
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i think blown the control board of my wd my book essential hard drive. just wanna know anyone who can fix it or replace it thanks
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This is not a SSD but just getting this to store all my movies and making it portable. Woots 4TB is big in size, but it's a little heavy compared to the other 1TB or 2TB HDD. Transfer speed is acceptable, since its just used to store movies, seems fast enough. Got this from a promo at 11STREET. Just wondering if anyone tried changing the usb cable, from usb 3.0 to USB C cable? Would it work?





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post Aug 17 2017, 07:49 AM

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hi,

i need review for these item below.. especially for data reliability purposely store data for long term.which one is good?

toshiba hard drive
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QUOTE(hakmal @ Aug 17 2017, 07:49 AM)
hi,

i need review for these item below.. especially for data reliability purposely store data for long term.which one is good?

toshiba hard drive
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hi, so which one do you get and how does it serves you?
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Oct 11 2017, 12:14 PM)
hi, so which one do you get and how does it serves you?
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My Samsung 1TB HDD is still working fine at the moment(bought it in Nov 2013).
And now looking for extra hdd because shortage of space for games and movies(my OS and ff14 game are in SSD 120gb). Is Seagate barracuda 2TB is a good hdd to add in? The Firecuda 2TB SSHD kinda expansive for me at the moment(budget restraints) smile.gif

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QUOTE(athlonmax @ Oct 20 2017, 02:31 PM)
My Samsung 1TB HDD is still working fine at the moment(bought it in Nov 2013).
And now looking for extra hdd because shortage of space for games and movies(my OS and ff14 game are in SSD 120gb). Is Seagate barracuda 2TB is a good hdd to add in? The Firecuda 2TB SSHD kinda expansive for me at the moment(budget restraints) smile.gif
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Hiya all, I'm interested to know if anyone is using Seagate's SSHD Firecuda (1tb) for their primary OS? It's almost twice the price compare to the HDD Barracuda. I've read several reviews and benchmark and it seems like in most cases Barracuda actually have about the same performance, if not better. But I've also read about SSHD will improve overtime as it learns to store frequently accessed data in the flash memory.

That's why I'm hoping to hear from people who's running their OS on SSHD, especially those that had used it for some time now.

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