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post Jan 12 2017, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Gregyong @ Jan 12 2017, 06:44 AM)
Our m4A1s are pretty similar to the USMC ones, unless you count the one in /k tongue.gif
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nope. USMC use M16A4. Long barrel, select fire, full picatinny rail, non-collapsible buttsotck. M4A1 is short barrel, select fire, collapsible buttstock
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post Jan 12 2017, 04:32 PM

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Thailand refused to buy Ukrainian tanks

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MOSCOW, January 10 - RIA Novosti. Thailand Ministry of Defense to terminate the contract with Kiev on supply tanks "Oplot" because of the failure by the Ukrainian side of the agreement, according to Ukrainian edition of "News" referring to the statement by the head of the military department of the Thai Pravita Vongsumona.

According to General Vongsumona, according to the contract signed yet in 2011, the Thai army was to receive 49 tanks by October 2017, but began to supply problems. Last year, the Ukrainian side has provided only 20 "Oplots". In Bangkok, it said that the situation is mainly due to the internal situation in Ukraine.

After that the army committee of Thailand, making decisions about procurement of military equipment, reduced the volume of orders in the Ukraine, and then completely transferred to tanks in China. With China signed a contract to supply 28 armored VT-4 with the possibility of increasing the order.


https://ria.ru/world/20170110/1485414116.html

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post Jan 12 2017, 04:32 PM

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i just read some website, said 9mm bullet use in SMG gun like PDRM MP5 and Scorpian Evo 3A1, can't use in 9mm handgun like Glock etc. is true ? it due to 9mm bullet shells is different for SMG version. and they use some world police internal report issue using MP5 9mm bullet in 9mm Glock handgun cause many problems.
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there's a thing called hot load ammo, with increased gunpowder

i dunno abt glock (bcos glock, depend on model, can use +P ammo), but if use lower grained ammo on mp5 may cause it to jam or not cycle properly (tho can adjust gas regulator) and using higher grained ammo on pistol(especially those not rated for hot load ammo) may cause the chamber (or barrel) to explode

same goes with civvie .223 ammo vs military 5.56mm ammo or civvie .308 ammo vs 7.62mm NATO ammo. dimensionally very similar but different grain
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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 12 2017, 06:32 PM)
at least 20... i remembered 6 only..

QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 12 2017, 06:32 PM)
there's a thing called hot load ammo, with increased gunpowder

i dunno abt glock (bcos glock, depend on model, can use +P ammo), but if use lower grained ammo on mp5 may cause it to jam or not cycle properly (tho can adjust gas regulator) and using higher grained ammo on pistol(especially those not rated for hot load ammo) may cause the chamber (or barrel) to explode

same goes with civvie .223 ammo vs military 5.56mm ammo or civvie .308 ammo vs 7.62mm NATO ammo. dimensionally very similar but different grain
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not only bullet weight but material too, cartridge casing material and propellant used... it all matters
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 12 2017, 06:32 PM)
same goes with civvie .223 ammo vs military 5.56mm ammo or civvie .308 ammo vs 7.62mm NATO ammo. dimensionally very similar but different grain
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even military 556mm and 762mm rounds differs in murica...
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8 Indonesians arrested at Woodlands Checkpoint over Islamic State images: Report

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KUALA LUMPUR: Eight Indonesians were arrested by Singapore customs authorities at the Woodlands Checkpoint in the early hours of Wednesday (Jan 11) for allegedly possessing Islamic State images, media reports said.

The group was arrested while trying to enter Singapore at about 1.30am on Wednesday after the authorities found several of the images on one of their mobile phones, Malaysia’s Bernama news agency reported, citing an unidentified source.

The eight were then handed over to Malaysian police for further investigations, the report said. They were detained from 2.30am to 9am for questioning, and subsequently deported to Batam by ferry.

They have since been questioned by the Indonesian police’s special counterterrorism unit, Densus 88, the Jakarta Post reported.

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Riau Islands Police Chief Inspector General Sambudi Gusdian was quoted as saying that the images found were of the Islamic State flag, an Islamic State “activity” and a homemade shoe bomb.

The eight ranged in age from 16 to 37 years, with most of them in their 20s, the Jakarta Post report said. The oldest, identified as Ridce Elfi Hendra, was said to be the leader of the group. The Islamic State images were found on his phone, the report said.

The reports said the group arrived in Kuala Lumpur by plane on Jan 3 from Padang in West Sumatra. They were in Malaysia to preach and for Ridce to seek medical treatment.

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On Jan 7, the group travelled overland to Phatani in Thailand to learn about the education system at the Islamic Education Board in the district. They then returned to Malaysia and tried to enter Singapore on Monday, Bernama said.

The Jakarta Post said Malaysian authorities reached a “preliminary conclusion” after an investigation that the eight were not Islamic State followers, but "subscribed to the mainstream teachings of Islam that rejected Islamic State ideology".

The images came from a WhatsApp group Ridce had once joined, the report said. “(He) said he had left the group but did not know that the pictures had not yet been deleted,” Gen Sambudi said.

Densus 88, the Indonesian special counterterrorism unit, has a week to interrogate the group, the report said.
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Indonesians detained at Woodlands claimed to be preachers: Malaysian police

SINGAPORE: Eight Indonesians held at Singapore's Woodlands Checkpoint said they were preachers from the Tabligh Jamaat Islamic group, a senior Malaysian counter-terrorism official told Channel NewsAsia.

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One of the eight, identified as Ridce Elfi Hendra, was found with one image of a shoe bomb and two images of Islamic State (IS), said Ayub Khan Mydin Pitchay, principal assistant director of Special Branch’s counter-terrorism division.

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“They claimed to be preachers from the Tabligh Jamaat movement, which is also sometimes known as Tabligh. They said they have been preaching in madrasahs (religious boarding schools) in Pattani, southern Thailand and then traveled down to Malaysia’s state of Perlis. They later came to Malacca to meet with a preacher there,” said Ayub.

Tabligh Jamaat is a global Sunni Muslim missionary group whose members are known to dedicate much of their lives to spreading Islam around the world.

“We will be investigating the madrasahs and the preacher whom they met with,” Ayub added.

The men were in Malaysia from Jan 3-10 and claimed they were from Padang, West Sumatra, Indonesia.

A senior Indonesian counter-terrorism official told Channel NewsAsia that “initial interrogation showed they were not IS members.”

“They are just preachers. This is the result of our initial investigation,” said the Indonesian official.

Ayub said the men tried to enter Singapore at 1.30am on Jan 10 and were detained by Singapore’s immigration authorities and deported to Malaysia. They were held by Malaysia’s Special Branch counter-terrorism officers at 2am.

They were deported to Indonesia’s island of Batam at 9am that same day and handed over to Indonesian police counter-terrorism taskforce Densus 88.

According to Ayub, the Tabligh movement's teachings in Malaysia have been mostly peaceful and moderate.

“There have been only one or two cases at the most where its followers were found to be radical. They joined Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) and the Malaysian Mujahidin Movement (KMM),” said Ayub.

JI is the regional terror group behind the devastating 2002 Bali bombings. KMM, which is also known as the Malaysian Militant Movement, is a militant group with links to JI, which believes in overthrowing the secular Malaysian government and replacing it with an Islamic state.

Tabligh has been described by Muslim scholars as apolitical and somewhat secretive. It was founded in 1927.

Its biggest annual event is a three-day prayer and fast held in Bangladesh that attracts millions and is believed to be one of the largest gatherings of Muslims in the world after the Haj pilgrimage.

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Jan 12 2017, 02:44 PM)
nope. USMC use M16A4. Long barrel, select fire, full picatinny rail, non-collapsible buttsotck. M4A1 is short barrel, select fire, collapsible buttstock
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He probably means the US army, you won't find a lot of M16s in the infantry units
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Japan unveils new generation 8×8 wheeled armored personnel carrier




Jan 11, 2017

The Japan Ground Self Defense Force’s has unveiled its new generation 8×8 wheeled armored personnel carrier (APC).



The new 8×8 wheeled armored personnel carrier will weigh 20 tonnes and be able to reach speeds of up to 90 km/h on paved roads, the MoD said. The crew consists of the commander, driver, gunner, and 8 dismounts who can rapidly enter and leave via a large power-operated ramp in the hull rear.

The crew consists of the commander, driver, gunner, and 8 dismounts who can rapidly enter and leave via a large power-operated ramp in the hull rear.

Source in Japan Ministry of Defense said that the new 8×8 wheeled armored personnel carrier will eventually replace the ageing Type 96 APCs that are still in service with the Japan Self-Defense Forces.


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Pakistan fires ' first submarine-launched nuclear-capable missile '



Jan 9, 2017 | 8:05am EST






Pakistan fired its first submarine-launched cruise missile on Monday, the military said, a show of force for a country that sees its missile development as a deterrent against arch-foe India.

The launch of the nuclear-capable Babur-3 missile, which has a range of 450 km (280 miles) and was fired from an undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean, is likely to heighten long-running tension between India and Pakistan.

The nuclear-armed neighbors have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947. Both nations have been developing missiles of varying ranges since they conducted nuclear tests in May 1998.

"Pakistan eyes this hallmark development as a step toward reinforcing the policy of credible minimum deterrence," the military's media wing said in a statement.

A spokesman at the Indian defense ministry was not immediately available to comment on the Pakistani missile test.

India successfully test-fired a nuclear-capable, submarine-launched missile in 2008 and tested a submarine-launched cruise missile in 2013.

The Pakistani military said the Babur-3 missile was "capable of delivering various types of payloads and will provide Pakistan with a Credible Second Strike Capability, augmenting deterrence".

An army spokesman later confirmed the language meant the missile was equipped to carry nuclear warheads.

The Babur-3 is a sea-based variant of the ground-launched Babur-2 missile, which was tested in December. The military said the missile had features such as "underwater controlled propulsion and advanced guidance and navigation".

Last year, Pakistan said it was "seriously concerned" by India's test of anti-ballistic missiles which media reports said could intercept incoming nuclear weapons.

According to media reports, on May 15 India tested a locally designed Anti-Ballistic Missile system which could in theory intercept a nuclear-carrying ballistic missile.



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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 12 2017, 04:32 PM)
there's a thing called hot load ammo, with increased gunpowder

i dunno abt glock (bcos glock, depend on model, can use +P ammo), but if use lower grained ammo on mp5 may cause it to jam or not cycle properly (tho can adjust gas regulator) and using higher grained ammo on pistol(especially those not rated for hot load ammo) may cause the chamber (or barrel) to explode

same goes with civvie .223 ammo vs military 5.56mm ammo or civvie .308 ammo vs 7.62mm NATO ammo. dimensionally very similar but different grain
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Indeed there are variants of common ammunition types, but going by the context of the original question, we are talking about standard issue Malaysian police ammunition, which I would presume be a standard 9mm ball round.

If like SWAT team member or individual policeman for personal use buy small batches of specialized ammo for different weapons I would probably believe but I think a police force as a whole would buy standardized batches of ammunition for general use, out of ease of procurement if not something else.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 13 2017, 10:30 PM)
Indeed there are variants of common ammunition types, but going by the context of the original question, we are talking about standard issue Malaysian police ammunition, which I would presume be a standard 9mm ball round.

If like SWAT team member or individual policeman for personal use buy small batches of specialized ammo for different weapons I would probably believe but I think a police force as a whole would buy standardized batches of ammunition for general use, out of ease of procurement if not something else.
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even the issued handgun is not standardized, how to standardize ammo? biggrin.gif

I have several friends who worked as a policemen and each and every one of them are issued different handgun. my pulis friend in kk is issued with steyr, the one in jb uses sig sauer while my friend in klang use revolver. yes a revolver

mp5 use hotter load ammo and some pistol cannot use this type of ammo

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 13 2017, 10:25 PM)
even the issued handgun is not standardized, how to standardize ammo? biggrin.gif

I have several friends who worked as a policemen and each and every one of them are issued different handgun. my pulis friend in kk is issued with steyr,  the one in jb uses sig sauer while my friend in klang use revolver. yes a revolver

mp5 use hotter load ammo and some pistol cannot use this type of ammo
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Unless different caliber, standard load 9x19mm parabellum ammo should be usable to any handgun designed to fire it. What manufacture it is shouldn't matter.

From what read, even hot load ammo don't have that much difference from standard ammo, in case of the 9mm parabellum the increase in muzzle velocity is around 10% only. Even standard handguns are able to handle such increase (at the cost of increased wear on the parts) and I'm not convinced that's 10% less power is enough to cause SMGs to fire badly.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 14 2017, 02:04 AM)
Unless different caliber, standard load 9x19mm parabellum ammo should be usable to any handgun designed to fire it. What manufacture it is shouldn't matter.

From what read, even hot load ammo don't have that much difference from standard ammo, in case of the 9mm parabellum the increase in muzzle velocity is around 10% only. Even standard handguns are able to handle such increase (at the cost of increased wear on the parts) and I'm not convinced that's 10% less power is enough to cause SMGs to fire badly.
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The issue isn't about the gun "can" fire or not. Some revolver can fire multiple types of caliber

It's about safety. when the manufacturer specifically say dun specific type of ammo (like hot load ammo). u don't use it. period. Increased pressure on gun can damage the mechanism, screw up the chamber and even explode. hotter load oso kicks harder and harder to control.

mp5 can use hotter load not only because it is heavier, but also longer and the barrel is thicker and the action is derived from assault rifle and not simple straight blowback like most handgun. if use lower pressure ammo on mp5 the gun may not cycle properly and have to adjust the gas regulator.
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There's some 9mm loads floating out there that's marked for MG only. Reason being, MG are typically open bolt design and need a harder primer. Also they're loaded hotter compared to SAAMI or CIP specs.

However modern SMG like MP5 or CZ Scorpions should have no issues with SAAMI or CIP spec ammo. Nato 9mm is somewhat equivalent to the 9mm marked as +P sold in the US. There are some +P+ ammo out there, but no one really uses it.

If you're using ball rounds it doesnt really matter, but for LEO/Civ use in US with defense ammo, then the round velocity plays a big factor. For eg based on Simtest experiments, the best expansions come for the various projectile weight:
124gr go for +P
147gr go for normal pressure

Watch youtube "TNoutdoors9" for bullet testing, lots of good info there.

PS: Look for the circle and cross headstamp on the case, that means its Nato spec. Anyway Msian ammo majority comes from SME in Batu Arang

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