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Avangelice
post Dec 15 2016, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 15 2016, 01:22 PM)
A few questions:

Is anyone using FSM's Regular Savings Plan? Is it sensible to you guys to keep on putting small amounts of investments regardless of price and market conditions?

Is intra-RHB fund switching going to cost RM25 per switch?
What about inter-house switching?
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AIYH uses that facility to invest in his portfolio based on the dollar cost averaging method. hassle free and automated. no need to actively manage your portfolio.

some fund houses have switching fees regardless if it's intra switch like rhb. most switches are free if within the same house
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post Dec 15 2016, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(kl_123 @ Dec 15 2016, 12:44 PM)
Philip MM is just like FSM RHB CMF2 , enjoy the 3.x% per annual while wait for next opportunity to go in equity...this is their recommendation from what i understand
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Which was the reason i asked what is the performance of phillip mm. Nothing is mentioned in the website. And the NAV is shown as fixed priced.

Ok now lets just assume there is a 3.x % payout. But the other Malaysian equity and bonds for hide out also do not make sense.
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post Dec 15 2016, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 15 2016, 01:22 PM)
A few questions:

Is anyone using FSM's Regular Savings Plan? Is it sensible to you guys to keep on putting small amounts of investments regardless of price and market conditions?

Is intra-RHB fund switching going to cost RM25 per switch?
What about inter-house switching?
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That's one strategy. You buy regardless of the price every month and get the average final NAV when you liquidate (when you need the money). That way will not cause you to have emotions about topping up more/withdrawing as it's fixed every month.

The good side:
- You only pay 1% SC compare to 2% if you buy whenever you like.
- It's average. You won't get the highest return nor the lowest return.

The bad side:
- You may miss out on massive "discounts" especially if it's shortlived as RSP usually happens on the middle of the month.


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post Dec 15 2016, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 15 2016, 01:22 PM)
A few questions:

Is anyone using FSM's Regular Savings Plan? Is it sensible to you guys to keep on putting small amounts of investments regardless of price and market conditions?

Is intra-RHB fund switching going to cost RM25 per switch?
What about inter-house switching?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 15 2016, 01:26 PM)
AIYH uses that facility to invest in his portfolio based on the dollar cost averaging method. hassle free and automated. no need to actively manage your portfolio.

some fund houses have switching fees regardless if it's intra switch like rhb. most switches are free if within the same house
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 15 2016, 01:57 PM)
That's one strategy. You buy regardless of the price every month and get the average final NAV when you liquidate (when you need the money). That way will not cause you to have emotions about topping up more/withdrawing as it's fixed every month.

The good side:
- You only pay 1% SC compare to 2% if you buy whenever you like.
- It's average. You won't get the highest return nor the lowest return.

The bad side:
- You may miss out on massive "discounts" especially if it's shortlived as RSP usually happens on the middle of the month.
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Erm we still pay the same sales charge sweat.gif

Unless within promotion period whistling.gif

If the RSP is right after the promotion plan (like the recent promo for Ponzi 2 and Titan), I will manually top up for those month for that month instead of RSP.

Other than that, you can just allocate fund for it to RSP every month with a peace of mind (dont care ups and downs) if you are not the opportunistic type (event driven)

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post Dec 15 2016, 03:00 PM

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My 2 cents worth...US centric equity funds will continue to rise until Trump is sworn in as the President. Beyond that, who knows?

For speculators, there is still a one month period to ride the wave.

For long term investors, it doesn't matter whether the US market will go up and down in the short run.

For hybrid investors like me, just skim the excess profits and stay invested! smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2016, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 15 2016, 03:00 PM)
My 2 cents worth...US centric equity funds will continue to rise until Trump is sworn in as the President. Beyond that, who knows?

For speculators, there is still a one month period to ride the wave.

For long term investors, it doesn't matter whether the US market will go up and down in the short run.

For hybrid investors like me, just skim the excess profits and stay invested! smile.gif
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I fully agree with this.

Say after Trump doing tax cut and what not which are speculated (by eunitrust) to affect the market so badly ( look at the ports ! Almost completely swapped out the entire investment !!!), then seriously there is no place to hide, and hiding under Malaysia is actually a terrible choice !
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 15 2016, 03:08 PM)
I fully agree with this.

Say after Trump doing tax cut and what not which are speculated (by eunitrust) to affect the market so badly ( look at the ports ! Almost completely swapped out the entire investment !!!), then seriously there is no place to hide, and hiding under Malaysia is actually a terrible choice !
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so either way we are fucked unless we stick to investing in US and Asian Pac region
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 15 2016, 02:06 PM)
Erm we still pay the same sales charge  sweat.gif

Unless within promotion period  whistling.gif

If the RSP is right after the promotion plan (like the recent promo for Ponzi 2 and Titan), I will manually top up for those month for that month instead of RSP.

Other than that, you can just allocate fund for it to RSP every month with a peace of mind (dont care ups and downs) if you are not the opportunistic type (event driven)
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Really 2% SC? But dasecret told me it's 1% SC if do RSP.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 15 2016, 04:41 PM)
Really 2% SC? But dasecret told me it's 1% SC if do RSP.
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subject to offers la..if normally every 15th of the month is still 2%
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 15 2016, 04:42 PM)
subject to offers la..if normally every 15th of the month is still 2%
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If like that better I choose when to topup myself rather than RSP. yawn.gif
Thought those who RSP get 1% instead of 2%
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 15 2016, 04:47 PM)
If like that better I choose when to topup myself rather than RSP.  yawn.gif
Thought those who RSP get 1% instead of 2%
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only good thing from RSP is that you have a lower minimum subsequent purchase.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 15 2016, 11:10 AM)
All of them heavy on phillip money market. Where is the place where one can find the performance of phillip money market ?
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Try Morningstar.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 15 2016, 04:50 PM)
only good thing from RSP is that you have a lower minimum subsequent purchase.
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lower min initial as well smile.gif

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 15 2016, 04:50 PM)
only good thing from RSP is that you have a lower minimum subsequent purchase.
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Not necessary. If your fund allow min RM100 to topup with/without RSP then it makes no difference. However if your fund need like min RM500, then yes RSP helps very much.
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Distribution is very relevant especially to retiree investors who want a source of income. For this type of investors, basically what they can do is to invest in a fund that has a distribution policy, and elect to receive distributions in the form of CASH. To an investor who elect to receive distributions in cash, distributions are a form of income, a cash inflow; gains in NAV price are capital growth.


wait we can elect to face distribution in cash form?

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 15 2016, 05:33 PM)
wait we can elect to face distribution in cash form?
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Why would you want that? it's just taken from capital gains. If you want money from it, sell a few units smile.gif that way you can declare yourself a dividend anytime you want smile.gif won't have to wait that long either smile.gif


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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 15 2016, 03:08 PM)
I fully agree with this.

Say after Trump doing tax cut and what not which are speculated (by eunitrust) to affect the market so badly ( look at the ports ! Almost completely swapped out the entire investment !!!), then seriously there is no place to hide, and hiding under Malaysia is actually a terrible choice !
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No reason to hide. Good times, you make money. Bad times, stuff is cheap, can buy more smile.gif

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 15 2016, 05:43 PM)
No reason to hide. Good times, you make money. Bad times, stuff is cheap, can buy more smile.gif
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You got to see their recommended portfolios.

The conservative ones are >80% mm. It has to be a major WORLDWIDE economic crash then one will adopt such a portfolio ! In other words, eunittrust is predicting that there will be a major crash in 2017.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 15 2016, 05:48 PM)
You got to see their recommended portfolios.

The conservative ones are >80% mm. It has to be a major WORLDWIDE economic crash then one will adopt such a portfolio ! In other words, eunittrust is predicting that there will be a major crash in 2017.
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Yes they are seriously pulling out of everything, which is weird. Given that on the whole, markets always move up, one should always be accumulating smile.gif

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