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FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D
FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D
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Oct 26 2016, 09:43 PM
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Oct 26 2016, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 09:23 PM) I was thinking of Anita mui but remembered that there's a annual charge that the fund charges on top of your investment. compared to rhb bond fund and rhb islamic bond fund, they are better no? AFAIK, the only extra fee not reflected in the NAV itself is the platform fee which is 0.05% (negligible, no?) Historically, Anitamui is 50% less volatile with 20% lower returns compared to RHB bonds. So if your gf wants something really conservative, anitamui will be my recommendation. However do bear in mind that there are still risks of bond default, interest rates etc. Does she have enough cortisol to cope with watching NAV turn briefly red? Many people can't do that..one way is to ask her NOT to check FSM daily. Do it quarterly instead |
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Oct 26 2016, 10:49 PM
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Oct 26 2016, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(drew86 @ Oct 26 2016, 09:55 PM) AFAIK, the only extra fee not reflected in the NAV itself is the platform fee which is 0.05% (negligible, no?) I'll do a comprehensive study again between the two funds as it was AiYH who told me about the annual chargeHistorically, Anitamui is 50% less volatile with 20% lower returns compared to RHB bonds. So if your gf wants something really conservative, anitamui will be my recommendation. However do bear in mind that there are still risks of bond default, interest rates etc. Does she have enough cortisol to cope with watching NAV turn briefly red? Many people can't do that..one way is to ask her NOT to check FSM daily. Do it quarterly instead |
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Oct 26 2016, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 07:27 PM) Argued with my girlfriend as she was coaxed into buying a investment linked insurance plan for 20 years. Give u a homework. Calculate the IRR on her so-called investment linked insurance plan.I did my calculations and she is paying MYR 474.75 a month for her premiums for 20 years so in total she would have paid myr 103,940. No compounding and return of interest until the 24th year and 150% shall be paid at age 75 So me being the UT guy that i am, I keyed in her amount she will invest in RHB Bond Fund which roi is on average (worst case scenario 6%) at MYR474.75 in a compounding calculator so..... At the 20th year she would have amassed a total of myr 235,388. Now i have to do a sales pitch to get her not to buy the plan and sign up for FSM and most likely i may have to open an account under her name and help her invest every month. Dafuq. |
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Oct 26 2016, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 26 2016, 11:13 PM) I tried doing it but the policy has two situations. one is cash value and another is death which has two different values altogether then there's their different riders and each rider has different dividend....oh wait... that sounds exactly like our excel sheet!oh lol. got you. |
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Oct 26 2016, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 11:19 PM) I tried doing it but the policy has two situations. one is cash value and another is death which has two different values altogether then there's their different riders and each rider has different dividend....oh wait... that sounds exactly like our excel sheet! U know who to put as policy beneficiary oh lol. got you. Aiyo, what riders your GF gonna add in? She/u should know mar... Put in the cash inflows (i.e. your payments) Put in the surrender value at maturity (take the average of optimistic projection and minimum projection) U get your IRR. Of course, if u wanna maximise IRR... |
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Oct 27 2016, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 26 2016, 11:19 PM) I tried doing it but the policy has two situations. one is cash value and another is death which has two different values altogether then there's their different riders and each rider has different dividend....oh wait... that sounds exactly like our excel sheet! Bro, do us a favor...oh lol. got you. Find out the premium of a term plan with similar death coverage. It should be cheaper than an investment-link plan. Let's say the premium is P, so the money saved is: 474.75 - P Now, assume your gf invests this amount (474.75 - P) in UTF. What would be the value of her investment when she is 75 - assuming various IRR. Please put all these in a post as I want to take a screen shot... Edit: Term is until your kids are independent. This post has been edited by river.sand: Oct 27 2016, 11:52 AM |
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Oct 27 2016, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 27 2016, 09:28 AM) Bro, do us a favor... A few factors that I think this comparison will turn out in favour of "buy term, invest the rest":Find out the premium of a term plan with similar death coverage. It should be cheaper than an investment-link plan. Let's say the premium is P, so the money saved is: 474.75 - P Now, assume your gf invests this amount (474.75 - P) in UTF. What would be the value of her investment when she is 75 - assuming various IRR. Please put all these in a post as I want to take a screen shot... - sales charge/commission (insurance companies 5%+/- vs FSM 0-2%) - premium allocation rate (your agent's commission) |
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Oct 27 2016, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 25 2016, 09:50 PM) Want to ask: If RHB AIF for whatever reason no longer is favoured and another fund is the flavour of the month, what will you all do? I mean, now we know that the market is volatile and a lot of pure equity may be too volatile for our current liking, what if the market as a whole turnaround and pure equity fund becomes de'riguer again? What would you do? Xuzen QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 26 2016, 11:57 AM) On another note, AMAsia Reits seems to be going south, and I wonder why? Could it be a because MYR semakin kuat? So what's the conclusion? Forget about AIF and Amasia REITs and head back to APDI (aka Ponzi 2.0) where the returns are?Edited to a more familiar nickname to the fund This post has been edited by dasecret: Oct 27 2016, 10:11 AM |
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Oct 27 2016, 10:09 AM
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