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ChuanHong
post Jun 17 2023, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ May 19 2023, 10:40 AM)
got 3 type:
1. External Siren Link to decoder
2. External Siren Link to Camera
2. Siren in camera

If u built-in siren, the sound is not loud, is jz to alert the intruder camera detect him

the reason why we dont want camera direct trigger the external siren that sound very loud, because camera detection is not 100% accurate.
Usually what we do is use the camera with siren, and also link a external siren to decoder.
When we need to turn on the loud siren, we can use the app to On it.

U may refer this video for AI active deterrence camera


Usually we recommend HIKVISION and DAHUA for AI Active Deterrence CCTV
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I went to multiple CCTV shop and yes mostly they are not advice to go with siren CCTV such as hikvision PIR siren CCTV. They said false alarm might annoying and sound very loud.

Instead they offer ezviz c3w pro for my scenarios. Which also will trigger alarm and siren but not as loud as wired cam.. I got quotation about 3k for 6 c3w pro and including installation and memory cards & plug point.. is this a better option? As they said it have better AI human detection.. but wireless.. I'll have 3 mesh routers so wifi coverage might not be an issue..
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post Jun 18 2023, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Jun 17 2023, 06:39 PM)
I went to multiple CCTV shop and yes mostly they are not advice to go with siren CCTV such as hikvision PIR siren CCTV. They said false alarm might annoying and sound very loud.

Instead they offer ezviz c3w pro for my scenarios. Which also will trigger alarm and siren but not as loud as wired cam.. I got quotation about 3k for 6 c3w pro and including installation and memory cards & plug point.. is this a better option? As they said it have better AI human detection.. but wireless.. I'll have 3 mesh routers so wifi coverage might not be an issue..
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Hik PIR Siren camera got no Ai human detection. It is based on camera's PIR (Motion detector) to trigger Siren.
U shd look for Wired Ai system.

Ezviz C3W also can do the job, if u dont want use WIFI, u can lay wired for it, it got LAN port.


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post Jun 18 2023, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Jun 18 2023, 12:02 PM)
Hik PIR Siren camera got no Ai human detection. It is based on camera's PIR (Motion detector) to trigger Siren.
U shd look for Wired Ai system.

Ezviz C3W also can do the job, if u dont want use WIFI, u can lay wired for it, it got LAN port.
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oh saw ur pm there.. got you now.. yeah.. thats why they are not recommend me to go for PIR siren camera.. btw, is that any wired ai system can suggest to me?? i would like to look for nearby vendor and see whether they could deploy in my location.. true, they also suggest to have CAT6 RJ45 LAN port but power point are separated since ezviz is not POE.. they suggest me to go for C3W Pro..

thanks for advice.. as im zero knowledge about cctv except tapo cam that im using currently.. one of the things they suggested me to go for ezviz is easier to arm & disarm the alarm of CCTV easier than standard CCTV.. which i am wondering how other wired system, cannot control through mobile app?

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post Jun 19 2023, 08:31 AM

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Would like to ask can I hook up analog 8mp 4k bnc port to dvr with poe port ?
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post Jun 19 2023, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Jun 18 2023, 10:47 PM)
oh saw ur pm there.. got you now.. yeah.. thats why they are not recommend me to go for PIR siren camera.. btw, is that any wired ai system can suggest to me?? i would like to look for nearby vendor and see whether they could deploy in my location..  true, they also suggest to have CAT6 RJ45 LAN port but power point are separated since ezviz is not POE.. they suggest me to go for C3W Pro..

thanks for advice.. as im zero knowledge about cctv except tapo cam that im using currently.. one of the things they suggested me to go for ezviz is easier to arm & disarm the alarm of CCTV easier than standard CCTV.. which i am wondering how other wired system, cannot control through mobile app?
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U can try look for DAHUA brand, WizSense Series.


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post Jun 19 2023, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(keanutan @ Jun 19 2023, 08:31 AM)
Would like to ask can I hook up analog 8mp 4k bnc port to dvr with poe port ?
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Ur camera use BNC? if BNC mean analog system. U need to look for Analog DVR that support 8MP.
PoE is for IP Camera and NVR.
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post Jun 19 2023, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Jun 19 2023, 09:12 AM)
Ur camera use BNC? if BNC mean analog system. U need to look for Analog DVR that support 8MP.
PoE is for IP Camera and NVR.
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Not yet decide , just searching around for more information , due to want to diy myself. Saw some camera 8mp 4k spec but the nvr only show 5mp while most 8mp dvr are using poe port . So was wondering can a dvr with poe camera port can be wired to bnc port camera
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post Jun 19 2023, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(keanutan @ Jun 19 2023, 09:56 AM)
Not yet decide , just searching around for more information , due to want to diy myself. Saw some camera 8mp 4k spec but the nvr only show 5mp while most 8mp dvr are using poe port . So was wondering can a dvr with poe camera port can be wired to bnc port camera
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If u want to use 8mp bnc cam, must look for 8mp dvr.
There are a lot dvr that support 8mp cam.
If u want to use PoE NVR, then u must use PoE IPcam.

for ur info, most of the DVR that support 4k camera only can record 4k at low frame rate, usually 7fps.
Still there are DVR that can record 4k @ 15fps.

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Jun 19 2023, 01:05 PM)
If u want to use 8mp bnc cam, must look for 8mp dvr.
There are a lot dvr that support 8mp cam.
If u want to use PoE NVR, then u must use PoE IPcam.
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post Jun 20 2023, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ May 11 2023, 11:14 AM)
We prefer separate PoE Switch, easier for maintenance.
but if u hv 4 cameras only, then go for nvr with poe switch, cheaper.
Yes, NVR will able to detect the IPCam as long as both are in the same network.
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Hello, does it means i can link ezviz to HIKVISION NVR? can the video store in NVR over wifi?

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post Jun 20 2023, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(nevermine @ Jun 20 2023, 09:16 PM)
Hello, does it means i can link ezviz to HIKVISION NVR? can the video store in NVR over wifi?

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Most Ezviz camera can link to HIK NVR.
But Ezviz cam not support PoE. So u cant direct connect Ezviz cam to NVR PoE Port.
The cam that come with the RJ45 port is for u to link camera to the router LAN port or network switch for more stable connection, instead of using WIFI.

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Jun 19 2023, 09:10 AM)
U can try look for DAHUA brand, WizSense Series.
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quick ask.. in case if i plan to go for ezviz for AI human detection feature.. i found the unit itself not so expensive.. but the quotation by vendor is using C3TN OutPro instead of C3W Pro.. half price is for HW and another half price if for installation.. suppose i can install myself also right? i have drill, power plug also supplied by my wireman.. i just need get weatherseal cover and conceal the plug & point.. then adjust angle & conenct cam to my apps only right??

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Jun 26 2023, 04:36 PM)
quick ask.. in case if i plan to go for ezviz for AI human detection feature.. i found the unit itself not so expensive.. but the quotation by vendor is using C3TN OutPro instead of C3W Pro.. half price is for HW and another half price if for installation.. suppose i can install myself also right? i have drill, power plug also supplied by my wireman.. i just need get weatherseal cover and conceal the plug & point.. then adjust angle & conenct cam to my apps only right??
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C3TN OutPro is 2K(2304 × 1296) while C3W Pro only 1080p(1920 x 1080) Can Diy easily.
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post Jun 27 2023, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Jun 26 2023, 04:36 PM)
quick ask.. in case if i plan to go for ezviz for AI human detection feature.. i found the unit itself not so expensive.. but the quotation by vendor is using C3TN OutPro instead of C3W Pro.. half price is for HW and another half price if for installation.. suppose i can install myself also right? i have drill, power plug also supplied by my wireman.. i just need get weatherseal cover and conceal the plug & point.. then adjust angle & conenct cam to my apps only right??
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Just make sure all the power plug are covered, dont expose to water.
Regarding the C3W Pro model, it got 2 version: 2MP and 4MP.
If u want to link the C3W to NVR, u need to get special version.
C3W Pro sold by Shopee/Lazada OS unable to link NVR, must use SDcard to record.

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 26 2023, 10:57 PM)
C3TN OutPro is 2K(2304 × 1296) while C3W Pro only 1080p(1920 x 1080) Can Diy easily.
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C3TN OutPro is 3MP while C3W Pro is 4MP.. real 2K compared to C3TN OutPro.. there is another variant called C3W which is 1080p as you mentioned.. ya the naming and variant are really confusing.. dont see much of different between C3TN OutPro versus C3W Pro 4MP except that 3mp vs 4mp.. C3W pro 4mp can customize audio msg when alarm triggered

the reason why i will consider to DIY is that price over shopee/lazada is damn cheap.. 1 unit around RM200+ versus vendor quoted 300+.. installation another 200.. which i think not that difficult to me.. nowadays labor cost really incurred a lot.. i think i can managed to save myself some thousands if i DIY sine i have my own tools and wiring parts also settled by my ID.. i have 3 units mesh routers to expand wifi coverage..

QUOTE(idealhometech @ Jun 27 2023, 09:25 AM)
Just make sure all the power plug are covered, dont expose to water.
Regarding the C3W Pro model, it got 2 version: 2MP and 4MP.
If u want to link the C3W to NVR, u need to get special version.
C3W Pro sold by Shopee/Lazada OS unable to link NVR, must use SDcard to record.
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okay.. i think i will DIY myself.. SD card with motion detection only record also sufficient for me.. active AI human detention is much suitable to my style.. and i will install home alarm system for others doors & windows.. CCTV for additional security layer for me.. i am planning to have 8 units of CCTV to cover my unit.. siren feature in CCTV definitely will help to scared off some potential intruders..

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Jun 27 2023, 11:04 AM)
C3TN OutPro is 3MP while C3W Pro is 4MP.. real 2K compared to C3TN OutPro.. there is another variant called C3W which is 1080p as you mentioned.. ya the naming and variant are really confusing.. dont see much of different between C3TN OutPro versus C3W Pro 4MP except that 3mp vs 4mp.. C3W pro 4mp can customize audio msg when alarm triggered

the reason why i will consider to DIY is that price over shopee/lazada is damn cheap.. 1 unit around RM200+ versus vendor quoted 300+.. installation another 200.. which i think not that difficult to me.. nowadays labor cost really incurred a lot.. i think i can managed to save myself some thousands if i DIY sine i have my own tools and wiring parts also settled by my ID.. i have 3 units mesh routers to expand wifi coverage..
okay.. i think i will DIY myself.. SD card with motion detection only record also sufficient for me.. active AI human detention is much suitable to my style.. and i will install home alarm system for others doors & windows.. CCTV for additional security layer for me.. i am planning to have 8 units of CCTV to cover my unit.. siren feature in CCTV definitely will help to scared off some potential intruders..

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btw, photo was taken early of the year..
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Since ID will do the wiring might as well go for POE NVR with 8 POE camera, still can DIY & very much more stable. Wireless only as a last resort if cabling too much of a hassle or wirings exposed.
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just thinking out loud, in movies we see that the intruders will also take away the DVR or the HDD in the DVR when they leave, just wondering how do people make a backup of the DVR?

is it possible to do it via a NAS?

or a 2nd DVR located somewhere else in the house and link both via network?

thanks

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also just wondering, if it's possible to project the DVR HDMI output wirelessly to our TV? any kits available?

thanks
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post Jun 27 2023, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Jun 27 2023, 04:43 PM)
just thinking out loud, in movies we see that the intruders will also take away the DVR or the HDD in the DVR when they leave, just wondering how do people make a backup of the DVR?

is it possible to do it via a NAS?

or a 2nd DVR located somewhere else in the house and link both via network?

thanks
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Yes, u can hv 2nd decoder if u want. Do-able.
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post Jun 27 2023, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Jun 27 2023, 04:57 PM)
also just wondering, if it's possible to project the DVR HDMI output wirelessly to our TV? any kits available?

thanks
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Got, but quite expensive.
and distance maybe around 20 to 30m.
Coz it use WIFI, and some use WIFI 5G.

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