It would be a whole new level of incompetency to fire a missile without a lock from the targeting system so I don't think this is the explanation

'Murica, in a nutshell. Blatant patriotism, 24-7 surveillance, militarized police and fat dudes.



This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Sep 19 2016, 08:30 AM

wonder how much a standard vest plate can cover his torso.. 30%? 20%?

Syrian Mig-21 downed during operation against Islamic State





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It easier to say the fire control radar fail to lock on last minutes given that the ship is moving.

Or the missile terminal guidance system faill to lock on and self destruct in mid flight due to no target aquired.

Or maybe the system or cpu hang..

means indo navy no network datalink linked, so just depend own ship radar provide guidance.
if look it is low cost ship, it should be possible.
in other forum said C-705 indo spec without include GPS/baidu module.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 19 2016, 09:33 AM

Most likely communication module, signal drop or delays.

It more common to have signal drop or delay than cpu hangs

Even if dont have, it should have build in inertia guidance to at least guide it to last know position in case radar guidnace is lost before the missle terminal guidance switch on.

Tak kan indo so cheapsake until inertia guidance module also want to omit.

With over 30 years of officially being labelled as the Great Satan by the Muslim world, and the source of their grudge extending all the way back to 1945, they have no choice.

I dunno, is inertial guidance module very common now? my brain still stuck in Cold War era where inertial guidance is "SO HIGH TECH"

I'm not talking about network link, which I assume is beyond the capability of these cheapo China antiship missiles. I'm saying it seems quite ridiculous that anyone would fire a guided missile without the onboard targeting system actually acquiring the target, which would be the case if it was out of range. I mean surely even if its some kind of cheapo targeting system, if the target is 50km out when firing a 40km missile, there must be a big sign on the system that says OUT OF RANGE....

....maybe it was written in Chinese

fat dudes with guns is still dudes with guns..

Now it just a electronic module. No longer those gimbal mounted systems. It quite common nowdays in case gps signal lost, inertia guidance take over temporary before gps signal is regain.

Even civil aircraft have backup inertia guidance just in case gps spoil or etc

C-705 have 140km range。

just see wiki， C-705 have Radar seeker too，but not sure how operator set the target. and what range of missile radar seeker.
is posible Indo navy operater still lack of training ?

The radar seeker if like majority anti'ship missiles will only activate near terminal phase to pinpoint and lock on targets. Similar to how excocet works.

I doubt the tat small radar onboard the missile have ranges beyond 10km given it small size and power

Indonesian Army Marder IFV. Credit to original uploader.

Today I learned: Britain planned a D-Day assault on Malaya with 100,000 soldiers


Planned landing beaches of Operation Zipper

After British has successfully beaten back the Japanese Army in Burma, plans were drawn up by Lord Mountbatten to invade Malaya and eventually liberate Singapore from the Japanese. The plan was split up into three stages, the landing operation (Operation Zipper), the drive south towards Singapore (Operation Mailfist) and the drive north to clear peninsular Malaya up to the Thai border (Operation Broadsword).

The landing operation, Operation Zipper, was to be launched in September 1945. It called for a large task force headed by the Battleship HMS Nelson and 2 escort carriers (HMS Attacker and HMS Hunter) to launch from India and Burma. Air support from 500 aircraft based in Burma, Ceylon and Cocos Islands was also arranged. The plan was for the landing force to land near Port Swettenham (Port Klang) and Port Dickson and secure them as staging areas for further operations. Two Divisions of Commonwealth troops and a Brigade of British Troops totaling nearly 50,000 men were allocated for the landing force. Japanese resistance was expected to be light to medium. A diversionary operation by Force 136, led by Tun Ibrahim Ismail were to launch attacks to try and convince the Japanese that any landings will be conducted on the Kra Isthmus, north of Malaya.


The Battleship HMS Nelson

The drive south towards Singapore, Operation Mailfist, was to be launched after the landing force has succesfully secured their objectives, scheduled as December 1945. Two further Commonwealth troops Divisions and a British Brigade are to be landed as soon as the port is secured and advance south through the Malayan Peninsula to liberate Singapore. The plan was to advance south through the coastal plains with Naval fire support provided by the Battleship and air support from the two escort carriers. Planning timetables expected the offensive would reach Singapore on March 1946. Two Monitors (MHS Roberts and HMS Abercrombie), special bombardment ships with two 15-inch cannons each were to bombard Japanese defences on Singapore Island in a preparatory operation.

The drive north to secure the Malayan peninsula, Operation Broadsword, was to be conducted simultaneously as Operation Mailfist. Smaller resources were allocated for this operation as Japanese defences were expected to concentrate on defending Singapore and only light resistance is expected elsewhere. Further operations to secure the peninsula's East Coast and recapture Northern Borneo would later be planned with US support from the Philippines.

In the end, Operation Zipper was rendered moot by the Japanese surrender in August 1945, after the dropping of the US Atomic bombs on Japan. As the the invasion task force has not fully assembled yet at the time, a small detachment sailed towards Singapore to secure it from the surrendered Japanese Army under Operation Tiderace. After parts of the fleet landed to secure North and central Malaya (Penang island and Morib beach) a force led by the Heavy cruiser HMS Sussex landed unopposed on Keppel Harbor.


A memorial indicating the landing of 46th Indian Beach group on Morib beach, part of Operation Tiderace

During the afternoon of 9 September, General Sheishiro Itagaki, accompanied by Vice Admiral Shigeru Fukudome and his aides, were brought aboard HMS Sussex in Keppel Harbour to discuss the surrender. They were received by Lieutenant-General Sir Philip Christison and Major-General Robert Mansergh. By 1800 hours, the Japanese had surrendered their forces on the island. An estimated 77,000 Japanese troops from Singapore surrendered, plus another 26,000 from Malaya.


Formal surrender of Japanese forces in South East Asia. Lord Mountbatten is seated in the center of the allied delegates, in his white Royal Navy uniform.

The formal surrender of Japanese forces in South East Asia was signed on 12 September at Singapore City Hall. Lord Mountbatten arrived in Singapore to personally receive the articles of Japanese Surrender from General Itagaki. Thus ended the Japanese occupation of South East Asia.

Indon kot.

Thanks for the info

Key point. I wonder if in some alternate reality, this actually happened.

If the US atomic bombs weren't dropped, Malaya would have a different history.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Sep 19 2016, 12:25 PM