Jane‘s have controversial with china military leader also with internet fans ... that why always report bad think on china.
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Sep 18 2016, 12:15 AM
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Jane‘s have controversial with china military leader also with internet fans ... that why always report bad think on china.
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Sep 18 2016, 05:21 PM
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from defense pakistan, simple to said C-705 made in indo without GPS/Beidou module,so missile only can shot target from direct radar guidance
QUOTE The news is Wrong, just One Indonesian Navy ship that shot C-705 Missile "KRI Clurit" Source: http://defence.pk/threads/indonesian-presi...2#ixzz4Kb74UwyCWhy there is delay, when C-705 launching? Because there is Communication problem between KRI Banjarmasin that President Joko Widodo boarded and KRI Clurit that shot C-705 Missile. The crew in "KRI Clurit" doesn't know, when our President Mr.Joko Widodo starting count down. Why C-705 Missile miss the target? Just answer it by yourself. The Target ship is 50 Kilometers (30 nm) away from "KRI Clurit" but Radar sensor in "KRI Clurit" is SR-47A with Max range 40 Kilometers. So ........ We can get the answer :-) That's why Datalink is so Important in Modern naval warfare. ![]() This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 18 2016, 05:22 PM |
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Sep 19 2016, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 19 2016, 08:06 AM) It would be a whole new level of incompetency to fire a missile without a lock from the targeting system means indo navy no network datalink linked, so just depend own ship radar provide guidance. if look it is low cost ship, it should be possible. in other forum said C-705 indo spec without include GPS/baidu module. This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 19 2016, 09:33 AM |
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Sep 19 2016, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 19 2016, 10:18 AM) I dunno, is inertial guidance module very common now? my brain still stuck in Cold War era where inertial guidance is "SO HIGH TECH" C-705 have 140km range。 I'm not talking about network link, which I assume is beyond the capability of these cheapo China antiship missiles. I'm saying it seems quite ridiculous that anyone would fire a guided missile without the onboard targeting system actually acquiring the target, which would be the case if it was out of range. I mean surely even if its some kind of cheapo targeting system, if the target is 50km out when firing a 40km missile, there must be a big sign on the system that says OUT OF RANGE.... ....maybe it was written in Chinese QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 19 2016, 10:36 AM) Now it just a electronic module. No longer those gimbal mounted systems. It quite common nowdays in case gps signal lost, inertia guidance take over temporary before gps signal is regain. just see wiki, C-705 have Radar seeker too,but not sure how operator set the target. and what range of missile radar seeker. Even civil aircraft have backup inertia guidance just in case gps spoil or etc is posible Indo navy operater still lack of training ? |
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Sep 19 2016, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 19 2016, 07:41 AM) It can't be helped. Navies usually costs a lot more than any other service branches to arm and maintain. Even US military allocates nearly half of all its $ 600 Billion USD resources to the US Navy alone. ya, we need at lease 2% from GDP for defense budget, currently just about 1.2%+ from GDP If want good Navy, you have to dump massive amounts of money on it, no choice. |
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Sep 19 2016, 09:06 PM
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Sep 20 2016, 12:17 AM
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Sep 20 2016, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 20 2016, 07:19 AM) we need to wait 3rd quarters 2017 to see our RMN Gowind launch. This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 20 2016, 10:51 AM |
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Sep 20 2016, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 20 2016, 10:12 AM) The Egyptian Gowind production rate is fast. First steel cutting of the Egyptian Gowind was in April 2015 whereas the Malaysian Gowind first steel cutting was in December 2014. Maybe because of the Saudis money flow. our design not fully complete in 2014 if not wrong. still got final some adjustment, also own DCNS shipyard also few time much better capability & experience than our BNS shipyard. If our Gowind first 2 ship is built in DCNS, i believe also can launch in 2015/2016 too. no choice, just wait 3rd 2017 for our Gowind launch. |
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Sep 22 2016, 09:57 AM
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Sep 22 2016, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 22 2016, 12:29 PM) By the time and IF Argentina can actually scrape up enough cash to actually mount a threat, they will also have to contend with fully operational QE2 let wait and see.Those JF-17s will have to go through Typhoons supported by F-35Bs and then glide bombs can be dealt with by C-RAM ![]() byw, i don't think Argentina will attack Falkland went QE2 is in Falkland. DQ2 will come to Falkland if Falkland take control by Argentina. affcouse QE2 will come to visit Falkland time-to-time. also those C-RAM easy run out of ammo in 1 minutes. glide bomb just 1 type of bomb. This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 22 2016, 01:17 PM |
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Sep 23 2016, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Sep 23 2016, 04:09 PM) you must learn detail not jut base on total number. the price is including 50% offset with TOT/IP licensing to make in India. From total just jet if self only 3.8b for 36 unit means single unit Rafale just USD 105 milllion. out requrement only 18 unit means about 1.9b + 400mil for missile/bomb, plus , spare parts, maintenance, training, for 400 million too. hopefully if our RMAF get Rafale (if only) also include HUD module & Thales topsignt helmet . so total will below usd 3b. and we no need TOT/IP, offcouse our policy is offset is 5%. This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 23 2016, 05:23 PM |
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Sep 23 2016, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Sep 23 2016, 05:51 PM) india still needs to pay 7.8b euro... that is India,Egypt, Qatar packagesBtw, lets compare to others deal. Egypt bought 24 units(plus package) for 5.2b euro ( 217m euro per units @ rm997m Qatar bought 24 units(plus package)for 6.3b euro (262m euro per unit @ rm 1.2b Comparing these deals, the amount still around rm1b per unit plus packages... our packages much simple compare to them。 |
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Sep 27 2016, 01:08 AM
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https://scontent-kul1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...6ec&oe=586C17A0
our LCS progress This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 27 2016, 01:17 AM |
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Sep 27 2016, 01:58 AM
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Sep 27 2016, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 27 2016, 06:39 AM) If that is a recent pic then it is a very slow progress. Below pic was the keel laying in March 2016. Same section. They just only constructed the upper hull of that section. ya, picture is show by RMN in FB yesterday. anyway our LCS only launch in 3th quarters 2017, so BNS still have 1 year time to complete the hull.![]() More pics of the keel laying in March 2016: http://syarkghost.blogspot.co.id/2016/03/m...ttoral.html?m=1 |
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Sep 27 2016, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 27 2016, 09:28 AM) They need 6 months just to construct the block part of the upper hull from that section alone since keel laying in March 2016. How long would it take to complete the whole ship? i believe other module still in construction not yet join together.I'm referring to the block part from the recent progress pic from RMN FB. ^^ But i see a glimpse of maybe another module on the far right of the pic. |
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Sep 27 2016, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 27 2016, 02:33 PM) Quote from article, the bolded part is the most worrisome. We may not see the first Gowind actually active until 2020! and what about the rest of the class? at 36 months a ship by the time we launch the last Gowind we might be ready to start building its replacement! at that build rate it would most definitely be cheaper to buy our ships from anybody! according preview news report, BNS will launch each LCS ship every 6 month after 1 ship launching (just hope so). so all ship will will finish construction n 2020, all ship after launch, will continue assembly of the component, module , system, missile take about 1 year each ship. sea trail for 4-6 month。 This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 27 2016, 05:07 PM |
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Sep 27 2016, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 27 2016, 05:49 PM) If this is true (which I really do hope it is) then why Gowind #2 keel laying/cutting steel hasn't made any news? Clearly they are not on schedule. 2# unit no need to report on cut steel anymore or keel layingLets look at the Kedah class's history from Wiki KD Perak - Laid down March 2002, Commissioned June 2009 - 7 years plus KD Terengganu - Laid down August 2004, Commissioned December 2009 - 5 years plus KD Kelantan - Laid down July 2005, Commissioned May 2010 - 4.5 years KD Selangor - Laid down July 2006, Commissioned December 2010 - 4.5 years So best speed is something like 4.5 years, staggered 1 year apart - say every Gowind gets laid down in March with Gowind #6 laid down in March 2020, and we commission a new Gowind every year from end 2020 till end 2025, when Gowind #6 completes. Best case. the new construction matted is different from last time. plus BNS more better experience/capability than last time. new matted allow ship join all piece module in 6-9 month (depend size) in shipyard. all module is pre-built in locally or other partner. after launch only do other assembly/fitting. that allow shipyard have more time to built other ship (business), not Occupying the the shipyard. anyway LCS said early is 2022 finish all ship. This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 27 2016, 09:25 PM |
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Sep 27 2016, 10:16 PM
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CAESAR 8x8 look not bad .no bad。。。 simple look like little shorter than Archer means more balance/mobility This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 27 2016, 10:20 PM |
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