Hi,

Seems like balik kg ha ha ha ha. Then i suggest U should venture into grape planting scheme or apple geng......just innovate here & there. Example those day people (7 yrs ago, taukeh's of pond) always tell me kelisa CANNOT breed in bare concrete tank or fibre tank but FFRM in Melaka had done it successfully at 1st attempt. Agrobiz need innovation, "crazy ideas" and something like that. I guess we need to send our national fresh udang galah or Tilapia merah to UK via airfreight in bulk beb...ha ha ha ha. Yeah, born in Sandakan but residing in KL abt 15 years....green posture...

Regards.

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Added on July 10, 2008, 1:03 amBro Rexis

Any tips for me to have the course ? thanks in billions...


cheers


This post has been edited by mazda626: Jul 10 2008, 01:03 AM

Hi guys, I haven't check this thread for a long time. By the way, check out my gaharu thread. Hopefully you guys would be interested to start this business

amirbashah,
its good to see you having something kicking and running there! Just remember, passion and perseverance. I seen your thread in FBI. Yaya, jumlah, berkebun, Janganlah asyik jam tiap tiap pagi aja.

ah_suknat,
hi! I am KK chai, Ranau is a nice place to stay, very few Sabahan as far sighted as you, most of them choose to chasing traffics in big city. Ended up trapped in the concrete forest, sth like myself.

There is a few things you need to pay attention to if you are farming in Sabah.
- The local demand is lower compare to City like KL, Peneng, Singapore.
- The big players there mostly large plantations with cash crops.

For a low demand market, it is unwise to plant large area of same crop, like 20 acres of banana or cabbage. Coz any oversupply means sending your money to landfill. Unless you are able to secure oversea demand like exporting them, but to meet international standard, more cost for packaging, QC, etc. Hence it is very important to diversify your crops, like plant at least a couple of high demand vege(like cabbage, sawi, chili, gourds, corn etc). But it is also very important to keep a sensible volume so you can directly sell them to a wholeseller. Of course, open up a stall in Gaya street will cut the middleman, but you cant sell all your vege like that isnt it?

Thou if possible, cut the middle man completely by opening up a dedicated vege shop in KK, do one dragon business, KK is a small place to pass info around so if you able to provide good vege, royal customers will come.

Since your dad is a farmer, it is even easier for you to kick start! Just listen to the old man

If your land is big enough, like >100 acres, then you can start thinking about cash crop, like cocoa, oil palm, etc.

mazda626,
Sori, not yet hv time to dig thru my library, perhaps you can find something here.

For your info, Arowana breeding business easily involved a couple of millions, other then the cost to purchase the daddy and mummy fish, the quipments, and also the security needed to protect your investment.

You aint going to let your arowana grow up in a mud pool aren't you?

But this is for a large scale breeder, I have a friend which her bf is breeding aquarium fish at a rented apartment. Of course you can up start as small business, all trees came from a tiny seed.

None the less, once you identify your direction, hold up on it!

This post has been edited by rexis: Jul 10 2008, 05:47 PM

Help!

oy, havent checked this site since ages, i was too busy handling the farm that i forgotten about this page till this day, because... my company is sending me 10,000 pieces (2-3inches) of Marbled Goby/Soon Hock/Ketutu fry!

Ive been farming Australian Barramundi and Australian Jade perch and so far without any major problem, but now theyre sending in the Soon Hock for a trial. Ten thousand of them! And to be honest, i know very little on how to farm these fishes. Ive read Rexus general post on soon hock, and a few other reading materials. But im not confident enough that i can handle those fishes.

Please, if any have any advise and can offer guidance, mail me at far1_ed1@hotmail.com, or reply on this thread.

Oh yeah, latest report on the farm, 25mT Australian Barramundi and 15mT Jade Perch was generated from this farm up to date.

Thanks all!

Darkus, fyi, TS ParaOptical is keeping a pond or two of Soon Hock, perhaps he can offer you some guidance.

A quick comment, soon hock is predatory fish, it is very important to keep them well fed or they will start chewing each other. If I am not mistaken, you need to feed the fry some protozoa and then when they grow up big enough, you need to try to make they get used to fish feed. They prefer to eat living thing like small prawn, tadpoles, cacing, insect, etc.

Australian Barramundi = siakap? First time seen Jade perch, looks like huge supply of omega3. Perhaps you can enrich us with some fish info.

Cough, its Rexis.

This post has been edited by rexis: Jul 14 2008, 10:53 AM

thanks rexis for the advice, but for now cash is limited, I am not a big time farmer, just a small fry

I am seriously thinking of doing poultry farm yarding style, you know like the normal kandang and grass for chickens to ponder around. I think there should be a market for healthy chicken meat, people are more health and animal welfare conscious now adays, they don't want to eat the growth hormone injected chicken grew up cruely in tight space factory.

its impossible for me to do organic or 100 percent free range due to limited of land space, I only got half an acre of land to build the farm at the moment to do it small scale, when I know the selok belok how to rise the chickens and demand increasing I will buy a bigger land with more chicken , where you study? me ex tshung tsin

Apologise for the typo Rexis,

Ill be sure to PM TS after this.

Well, i am rearing Barramundi and they are predators (very territorial) out in the sea, but once introduced into a closed up enviroment, it is found that these instinct were set aside due to smaller territory/spaces. I hope these soon hocks would do the same.

Also, my farm is using Pellets as fish feed im very worried in regards to supplying the soon hocks with live feed or other uncooked organics as their main feed. My farm is a closed circulated, the effect to the water quality would be too great i believe. ANy other feed has to be tested for any GMOs and others (disease/parrasites/etc) before is can be introduced to the farms modules.

FYI:

Australian Barramundi = Lates calcarifer, same Genus as the native Siakap/Kakap but different specie name (although they look the same to me) Its just Branding of the fish as the corporates wants them to be different than the local fish (the price too... RM25/Kg!!!!)

Jade Perch

Can try this allyouwanttofindoutaboutjadeperch link ==> "Jade Perch"

Yeah the Omega 3 is scientifically proven to have at least 3 times greater content than Salmon, and i wont deny it cause its been tested in Mardi and Sirim Labs. Mardi is even looking into converting those Om3 into tablets as health additives. And guess what... for now we are the only farm in malaysia growing and marketing it. There are other farms like us in west malaysia (Sepang; joint with LKIM and Datuk K/ Kuala Kubu Baru; wholly owned by Protech Yu[a Fish Protech Subsidiary]) also in Brunei. They opened up a farm in China (until the PRC opened up the system upsde down and copied the tech) but theyre still new and are not marketing the Jades commercially like our farm here. You can find my fishes in all Carre4 stores in Klang Valley both barra and jades.

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Added on July 11, 2008, 8:56 pmErm, who is TS again?

This post has been edited by Darkus: Jul 11 2008, 08:56 PM

Edited and added my previous post, I am sure ParaOptical is interested to talk to you.

Branding of the fish... a while ago I heard about a fish farm producing frozen red talapia in vacuum package and brand it as cherry fish. It seem like most people process talapia into fish fillet now.

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Ah yes, in Sabah the "maize" chicken is very popular and highly priced, my grandmother is raising her own maize chicken. As the name implies, the chicken diet mainly made of maize aka corn.

In semenanjung here, whats popular is the "vege garden" chicken, which suppose to be chicken raised in the open rather then fully in cage. They cost is slightly cheaper then maize chicken in Sabah, also considered high price, and do not affect by the ceiling price issued by gov as they are not regular farm fed chicken.

I can't see any vege garden chicken available in Sabah, perhaps you can work some out

Maize chicken: very fat, yellowish skin, unique delicious chicken flavor, and tough meat texture.
Garden chicken: slightly fat, light yellow skin, chicken flavor without the farm chicken stink, tough meat texture.
Farm chicken: fat, pale skin, meat is soft and smelly.

This post has been edited by rexis: Jul 14 2008, 12:04 PM

Darkus : which farm are you doing ? Where is your farm ?

are you rearing in ponds or RAS ?

Oh! TS=Thread Starter=Paraoptical
Just figured it out

The farm im managing is located in Sejingkat, Kuching, Sarawak.

The tech used are from Australia, a tech provider called 'Fish Protech', google it and youll find out a lot about it

Para, i heard that you yourself have experience in rearing Soon Hock, how did you manage its juvenile stage? My new batch will be around 2-3inches, how long do you think theyll grow to marketable size? whats their FCR with the feed you are giving them? what did you feed them with anyway? We at the farm are currently using feed pallets for fry till marketable size. Will they strive best without or with organics feed such as mealworms/bloodworms/small fishes/small prawns? Whats the feed proportion u give for each fry/fish?

Thanks bro Rexis . Yes, jab ikan hiasan guy also telling me.

cheers,

Greetings to all the Si Fu out there nice to meet you all. I’m from the design world and very interested in doing wormy business, but don’t know where to start and where to look for buyers haha any suggestion?

np, Mazda626

Darkus, from the info I hv here(this is what I remember, i left the article at home):

Soon hock is carnivorous fish and they seldom swim around and not very fierce unless prey gets near them, they prefer to stay idle in cracks or bottom of the water. They can grow up to 60cm at 5-6kg.

Fry at 5 cm long should be fed with redworm and minced fish meal, this is to make them slowly adapt to artificial fish feed. Slowly apply sink type fish feed and monitor the feeding condition.

Survival rate can be expected to be around 80%.

Soon hock took about 1 year to reach marketable size ie 600gm. From other sources it mentioned that for best quality keep on feeding the soonhock for 2 years so they will have time to develop their tenderness sth like tat...

The article also mentioned about feeding method on other size soon hock and how many months to go into next stage, but since 5cm is roughly the size of the fish u get, heres the first hand info. If i hv time I will edit my post.

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auchenmiao, what worm are you intended to breed? And what do you know and from where you heard about worm? Just trying to get an idea where to start.

Anyway, I believe this thread had covered several issues about virmiculture. Look for it.

This post has been edited by rexis: Jul 15 2008, 10:45 AM

umm hey, any one know how to rear prawns? anyone giving out any classes? i need a starting point

Appreciatte that info bro Rexis, been reading some of the old posts, i think im gona keep up my soonhock updates here in the forum by providing info and pics as soon as i receive them. Our fry suppliers from Singapore is actually planning to let us grow the fish for them and then buy em all out at an ex-farm price. From what ive heard theyre getting the fry at around 0.40SD, most probly buying them back at 30.00SD/Kg. Although only if the farm succeed in growing them till marketable size. How are the prices of this fish nowadays?

Anyway, how much of bloodworms/fishmeals are we talking about for each fry?

Just to share something here after "R & D".

.............."30 years ago village folks discovered arowana (Msian Golden & Blood Red) in Kuala Selangor, however due to rapid development and factory build-up at the surrounding area without scientific explaination - the species simply disappeared leaving Johor & Perak the most productive soil in captive breeding arowana biz till todate"........

heh, they are not simply "disappeared", people would not let such living gold bars swimming freely unattended.

Its a sad thing thou that wild Arowana has lost their natural habitat forever.

This post has been edited by rexis: Jul 18 2008, 03:37 PM

Infor gathered during 'R&D' visits to various area in Selangor.

Based on Prikanan, Putrajaya - there are no suitable soil in Selangor. pH might be okay but not "TDS" ; by definition -Total dissolved solids (often abbreviated TDS) is an expression for the combined content of all inorganic and organic substances contained in a liquid which are present in a molecular, ionized or micro-granular (colloidal sol) suspended form.

In arowana breeding biz TDS simply critical in many places. UNLESS someone outthere found it in Selangor soil quitely. Therefore, Perak & Johor simply popular choice for Kelisa earthpond type. Hulu Langat once simply potential but 1 registered company 7 years ago bungkus because waited 6 years (with broodstock age above 5 years) fails to produced any. Infact water pH testing comprises 3 layer to be exact ; surface, mid & bottom of the pond.

Sifus or anyone please correct me ya, if my 'r&d' facts are wrong.

any1 doing poultry farming ah? chickens, ducks or goats?

what is the market price for a free range chicken or ayam kampung now?

Market price? Easy, just visit the pasar pagi for the chicken stall, and then get a hint my calculating their difference with farm chicken in term of percentage. Then you will get an idea how much more you can get with kampong gai.

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Added on August 8, 2008, 8:36 amFor whoever interested in agriculture business, please do pay a visit to MAHA 2008

Malaysia Agro Exposition Park Serdang
11th-13th Aug 2008
10am-7pm

Refer official site for details.

This post has been edited by rexis: Aug 8 2008, 08:36 AM