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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.14, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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post Nov 25 2016, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 03:42 PM)
Yeah, I understand the calculation for normal eGIA placement... but, i didn't know even the Campaign eGIA is follow normal calculation.. if it is not "guarantee" for 4.1%, what is the point they launch this campaign?  shocking.gif
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i believe once you have placed at that point of time, they will honour the rate... unless you uplift and place again, then the new rate will come into effect...
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post Nov 25 2016, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 01:45 PM)
My 12 months placement is on 25 October, I calculated the interest i received today for first month.. the calculation is 3.6% for 25 Oct- 15 Nov, 15 Nov-25Nov is 3.55%, I get the exact amount for the interest I received as per above calculation..

But, in fact I do notice that the Tnc mentioned subject to OPR changes..
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Thanks for d insights
Did u speak/clarify with Maybank officer?
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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Nov 25 2016, 03:56 PM)
The previous one yr promotion, people are getting the indicated rates by month. So, should not follow the changed rates of 3.6%/3.55%. That should only be for those placing for non campaign GIA-i (not 4.1% eff rate).
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QUOTE(raptar_eric @ Nov 25 2016, 03:57 PM)
i believe once you have placed at that point of time, they will honour the rate... unless you uplift and place again, then the new rate will come into effect...
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 25 2016, 04:07 PM)
Thanks for d insights
Did u speak/clarify with Maybank officer?
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so, in this case, they should give me back 3.6% for the campaign rate instead of the revised rate of 3.55%.. i've not check with MBB officer yet, but, i want to know the experience from sifu here...
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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 04:33 PM)
so, in this case, they should give me back 3.6% for the campaign rate instead of the revised rate of 3.55%.. i've not check with MBB officer yet, but, i want to know the experience from sifu here...
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I need to monitor my int in Dec 16 as it was done otc in Nov 16

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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 04:33 PM)
so, in this case, they should give me back 3.6% for the campaign rate instead of the revised rate of 3.55%.. i've not check with MBB officer yet, but, i want to know the experience from sifu here...
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u needs to check back the rate..

get feedback from officers
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 25 2016, 04:41 PM)
u needs to check back the rate..

get feedback from officers
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Ok, I've just drop an email to them.. let's wait for their response.
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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 04:58 PM)
Ok, I've just drop an email to them.. let's wait for their response.
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good. don't forget to update icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 25 2016, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 25 2016, 04:34 PM)
how much "extra" they offer u?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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same rate as the next bank
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QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Nov 25 2016, 05:16 PM)
same rate as the next bank
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hmm then just maintain since the rate is same as the other bank smile.gif
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QUOTE(Andrew_1980 @ Nov 25 2016, 03:33 PM)
I knew that calculation is base on Calendar days (365 or 366)

So I use this website to calculate how much interest I will got when matured

http://www.miniwebtool.com/fixed-deposit-calculator

Basically I will put 1 month tenure, feel safe as I not sure will I need money next month? But seems GIA is flexible, I might put longer tenure. But now I haven't open MBB saving account yet.
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The miniwebtool calculator for fixed deposit is great for normal rough calculation of what to expect. It is based on the normal kind of arithmetic we learn in school and what you can expect from a financial calculator or a normal financial spreadsheet.
Various forum posters had posted about calculated results being different. One person even asked how come predicted/knew it will be 1 sen less from the calculation. Actually a lot more sens and even dollars off had being experienced. The simple explanation is that the calculation and results depends on the bank's program treatment of what is a bank day (or part off to give for some really not so generous banks), the divisor, and how they treat payments made or payments due, and when creditted/withdrawn.
Unfortunately, different banks have different ideas/policies/implementations - or maybe they do not really know what their different programmers and programs are up to actually in the nitty gritty level where things are usually different in many ways as each step is done although results are expected. Most times the banks do not like to lose/pay more generously, but also want to avoid what can be considered outright cheating or extra charges.
We cannot have access to what programs are used and study the quality of the documentation and the program modifications. Most likely, even the bank staff/experts are not really aware what their software vendor has done in real detail trying to comply in their own peculiar ways to the requirements or updates.
However, we can reverse engineer/compute various approaches/scenarios to come to a close approximation or eventually to an exact prediction that matches every time for a particular bank/product.
Just for illustration only:-
Principal 100,000 for 366 days at 1% using simple interest for an FD. What is the result and what do you think you will get at Hong Leong and Maybank. Let us not complicate matters by mentioning other banks at all. Try to explain the results. If you use the miniwebtool, the interest is 1002.74.
If you want to check with a 12 digit calculator, it is 1002.73972602. If you understand the question, and its implications, you will have learnt something basically useful such as questioning your instruments, programs or validity of what is done. If you think the answer is so simple, you can get a distinction in school where things are simplified, but life is not so simple after experience. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif





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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Nov 25 2016, 02:50 PM)
Hope the paper OTC GIA FD will follow the brochure and advertisement screen for the final effective 4.10% this time. Previously, Maybank held on to the 4.5% stated in my case anyway. As at Monday 21 November, they still had the brochure for the 4.10% at my branch, although an old lady and myself queried as we were doubtful as already rumoured 12 months already closed and GIA rate going down. I placed one paper GIA earlier in first week of November when I found that they had not closed it yet, but no more money for 21 November.  tongue.gif 
In Mamamia case which is an eGIA online placement, your calculation is as expected as happened to my even earlier eGIA from June. The calculation is explained in page 97 of this forum thread, Deal Hunter @ Nov 20 2016, 01:35 PM in reply to Kamen Rider @ Nov 19 2016, 01:01 PM.
Andrew_1980 and those new/uncertain about Maybank online eGIA should take note of your calculation together with the explanation.
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sifu, are u saying the interest @mamamia received is correct? he suppose to receive 3.6% but got less than that? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(sandkoh @ Nov 25 2016, 06:02 PM)
sifu, are u saying the interest @mamamia received is correct? he suppose to receive 3.6% but got less than that? rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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This was what I wrote as likely to happen based on my experience with my Maybank eFD and his calculation appears to back it.
It is great that Mamamia monitors what he is getting and letting us know to confirm my previous suspicion/understanding. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Is it correct? No I do not like it. bangwall.gif bangwall.gif
But let us go on from here to see whether it is correct or another one of those program / setting problems that need adjustment as per bbgoat OTC GIA experience but translated to eGIA instead. Making mistakes is very much easier than doing the correct thing, so it is up to Maybank to clarify where things stand as to whether it is the bank's actual intention (correct) or it is a kind of mistake (wrong) and adjust if proper. icon_question.gif tongue.gif

Of course, I hope Maybank realises the need to honour whatever is promoted especially for the OTC GIA promo as funds are tied down on an expected interest at maturity. I have been told before by bank manager of another bank about actually adjusting down experience during discussion about Islamic products about the absolute reliability of income flow needed to sustain critical requirements.

This post has been edited by Deal Hunter: Nov 25 2016, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 11:16 AM)
For the MBB GIA 12 months 4.1% campaign earlier, it mentioned:
Indicative Effective Profit Rate for 12 Months
= (3.60% + 3.60% + 3.60% + 3.60% + 3.60% + 3.60% + 4.00% + 4.00% + 4.00% + 4.00% + 5.80% + 5.80%) / 12 = 4.10%

As per current rate effective from 16 Nov to 15 Dec 2016, it is drop from 3.6% to 3.55%.. does this mean that our 12 months effective rate also drop? coz i notice my first month interest received also lower than 3.6% d... I thought they should follow the GIA campaign rate? If it is less than 4.1% for 12 months placement, I will have to withdraw and place to HLB eFD for 6 months then...
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Both my 12 month eGIA placements on 20 Oct 2016 got exactly 3.6% interest on 20 Nov 2016.

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Nov 25 2016, 05:37 PM)
The miniwebtool calculator for fixed deposit is great for normal rough calculation of what to expect. It is based on the normal kind of arithmetic we learn in school and what you can expect from a financial calculator or a normal financial spreadsheet.
Various forum posters had posted about calculated results being different. One person even asked how come predicted/knew it will be 1 sen less from the calculation. Actually a lot more sens and even dollars off had being experienced. The simple explanation is that the calculation and results depends on the bank's program treatment of what is a bank day (or part off to give for some really not so generous banks), the divisor, and how they treat payments made or payments due, and when creditted/withdrawn.
Unfortunately, different banks have different ideas/policies/implementations - or maybe they do not really know what their different programmers and programs are up to actually in the nitty gritty level where things are usually different in many ways as each step is done although results are expected. Most times the banks do not like to lose/pay more generously, but also want to avoid what can be considered outright cheating or extra charges.
We cannot have access to what programs are used and study the quality of the documentation and the program modifications. Most likely, even the bank staff/experts  are not really aware what their software vendor has done in real detail trying to comply in their own peculiar ways to the requirements or updates.
However, we can reverse engineer/compute various approaches/scenarios to come to a close approximation or eventually to an exact prediction that matches every time for a particular bank/product.
Just for illustration only:-
Principal 100,000 for 366 days at 1% using simple interest for an FD. What is the result and what do you think you will get at Hong Leong and Maybank. Let us not complicate matters by mentioning other banks at all. Try to explain the results. If you use the miniwebtool, the interest is 1002.74.
If you want to check with a 12 digit calculator, it is 1002.73972602. If you understand the question, and its implications, you will have learnt something basically useful such as questioning your instruments, programs or validity of what is done. If you think the answer is so simple, you can get a distinction in school where things are simplified, but life is not so simple after experience. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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I trust it, so far the website predicted amount is match with HLB FD interest given. I set it to 28/29/30/31 depends on which month and simple interest no compounding, and it show the exactly amount.

So I just follow this calculation if I want to know how much interest will be paid.

Btw, maybe u can separate your paragraph like mine, quite hard to read when all combined laugh.gif

This post has been edited by Andrew_1980: Nov 25 2016, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Nov 25 2016, 06:25 PM)
This was what I wrote as likely to happen based on my experience with my Maybank eFD and his calculation appears to back it.
It is great that Mamamia monitors what he is getting and letting us know to confirm my previous suspicion/understanding. notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Is it correct? No I do not like it. bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
But let us go on from here to see whether it is correct or another one of those program / setting problems that need adjustment as per bbgoat OTC GIA experience but translated to eGIA instead. Making mistakes is very much easier than doing the correct thing, so it is up to Maybank to clarify where things stand as to whether it is the bank's actual intention (correct) or it is a kind of mistake (wrong) and adjust if proper.  icon_question.gif  tongue.gif

Of course, I hope Maybank realises the need to honour whatever is promoted especially for the OTC GIA promo as funds are tied down on an expected interest at maturity. I have been told before by bank manager of another bank about actually adjusting down experience during discussion about Islamic products about the absolute reliability of income flow needed to sustain critical requirements.
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sifu, uncle goat's case unique. others receive correctly.

it is maybank's mistake, very likely. why & how, maybank only can answer.

QUOTE(starry @ Nov 25 2016, 06:36 PM)
Both my 12 month eGIA placements on 20 Oct 2016 got exactly 3.6% interest on 20 Nov 2016.
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this shows @mamamia's case got problem. he ought to ask maybank.
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QUOTE(sandkoh @ Nov 25 2016, 07:00 PM)
sifu, uncle goat's case unique. others receive correctly.
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My case is different. OTC the MBB staff used the wrong code, make it like monthly placement instead of GIA 1 year promo rate. They manually paid me the last 6 mths of "lost" interest. Case settled. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Nov 25 2016, 11:18 AM)
Hey you guys got experience, CIMB when you want to uplift fd to transfer to another bank for "promotion" then they offer you

FD promotion rate to put it back in wif CIMB
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 25 2016, 04:34 PM)
how much "extra" they offer u?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Nov 25 2016, 06:16 PM)
same rate as the next bank
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Nope, I also never receive anything to match whichever.
What was the rate that they yried to match the next bank?
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QUOTE(starry @ Nov 25 2016, 06:36 PM)
Both my 12 month eGIA placements on 20 Oct 2016 got exactly 3.6% interest on 20 Nov 2016.
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It seem like MBB didn't honor me the promo rate.. same goes to my friend.. I gonna follow up if they don reply.. seem like I'm like bbgoat case

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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 08:13 PM)
It seem like MBB didn't honor me the promo rate.. same goes to my friend.. I gonna follow up if they don reply.. seem like I'm like bbgoat case
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Staff wrongly key the rate doh.gif
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QUOTE(mamamia @ Nov 25 2016, 08:13 PM)
It seem like MBB didn't honor me the promo rate.. same goes to my friend.. I gonna follow up if they don reply.. seem like I'm like bbgoat case
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As I said at the beginning, u should call the branch to find out the reason. But I was curious as yours is online placement. So if it affects you, it may affect those that did the placement the same day/time. Anyway, MBB is the only one has the answer.

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