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terence_nwb
post Dec 15 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 15 2016, 10:17 AM)
Thank brother for explanation.

my purposed use for work, not really required high end processor to work on.
I just use Illustrator, Photoshop for my work.

So in ur own opinion for my problem now.. I should go for i7-6700k right ? (work well on both gaming and workstation ?)

regarding GPU, yea currently i will stay on 1080p monitor.
Seem 4k monitor just to new in market, abit expensive to me.
Maybe i will wait couple year 1~2 year more then just spend on 4k monitor.
So i  should get GTX 1080 ?? play awhile with my 1080p monitor, while waiting my 4k monitor ??

I got a silly question / and idea..

should i get gtx 1070 for now.. use it for 2 year until i planning get 4k monitor.
Then that time i resell my gtx 1070 and get better GC at the moment to support my 4k monitor ??

or i just get gtx 1080 for now ? while waiting my 4k monitor. ??
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If you don't plan to overclock at all, then i7 6700 is enough (can save up to RM 1000 since no need to get expensive Z170 + decent 3rd party CPU cooler + performance RAM).

As for GPU, GTX1060/GTX1070 is enough for 1080p for now, the highest end cards (like GTX1080/Titan X Pascal) in the market are still not fully qualified as 4K UHD card (too much compromise), wait for next gen card instead for 4K UHD gaming.
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post Dec 15 2016, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Dec 15 2016, 10:44 AM)
If you don't plan to overclock at all, then i7 6700 is enough (can save up to RM 1000 since no need to get expensive Z170 + decent 3rd party CPU cooler + performance RAM).

As for GPU, GTX1060/GTX1070 is enough for 1080p for now, the highest end cards (like GTX1080/Titan X Pascal) in the market are still not fully qualified as 4K UHD card (too much compromise), wait for next gen card instead for 4K UHD gaming.
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Thank you brother. again for reply me.

brother, this really a silly question.

If.. i get the x99 motherboard now.
possibly the next gen processor release (maybe 3~4 year coming up)..
this motherboard x99 (2011-3) still will support next gen processor ??

take as example .
Kabylake and Cannonlake.

so which socket very convenience to use for now? ( i mean easy to upgrade processor in the future time)
1151 or x99 ?

Sorry for silly >, < question.

Just to research as much i can, so i wisely make my decision before spend my money biggrin.gif rclxms.gif
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post Dec 15 2016, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 15 2016, 11:23 AM)
Thank you brother. again for reply me.

brother, this really a silly question.

If.. i get the x99 motherboard now.
possibly the next gen processor release (maybe 3~4 year coming up)..
this motherboard x99 (2011-3) still will support next gen processor ??

take as example .
Kabylake and Cannonlake.

so which socket very convenience to use for now? ( i mean easy to upgrade processor in the future time)
1151 or x99 ?

Sorry for silly >, < question.

Just to research as much i can, so i wisely make my decision before spend my money biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif
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No, next gen Intel Core i7 Extreme Series CPU (Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X) will use LGA2066 socket, so Broadwell-E will be the last supported CPU on this socket.

LGA1151 is the mainstream CPU socket (for normal consumer), it supports Skylake (current 6th gen) and the upcoming Kaby Lake CPU (7th gen), performance gain between each generation is very low (at least for Intel CPU) so you don't really need to upgrade year by year unless you are too rich to donate the money to Intel laugh.gif


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post Dec 15 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Dec 15 2016, 11:34 AM)
No, next gen Intel Core i7 Extreme Series CPU (Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X) will use LGA2066 socket, so Broadwell-E will be the last supported CPU on this socket.

LGA1151 is the mainstream CPU socket (for normal consumer), it supports Skylake (current 6th gen) and the upcoming Kaby Lake CPU (7th gen), performance gain between each generation is very low (at least for Intel CPU) so you don't really need to upgrade year by year unless you are too rich to donate the money to Intel  laugh.gif
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hahaha xD

So if go for LGA2011 for this upgrade, abit like wasted right ?? unless go with i7-6900k (totally not in my budjet lolz... )

So LGA1151 still the best buck for upgrading for Game and work purposed right ??

Somemore AMD Zen aroudn the corner too..
If i keep thinking want to get best perfomance processor + GC ..
Forever i can't be able to upgrade... coz technology wont stop , will keep release better and good processor and GC ..
I think i just stick to my original plan i7-6700k + good mobo for OC .

Then brother.. 1 more thing ..
Asus Strix gtx 1080 haf release 2 type card :-
1 is Advance
1 is OC type

Price quite abit diff alot , around RM 250~300+

what the diff for this 2 ?? Good enof to go for Advance ??
Is it this advance will do pretty well on OC same like the other card (OC ?)

If was you.. which u will pick ? Advance (A8G) or OC (O8G) ??
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post Dec 15 2016, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 15 2016, 11:43 AM)
hahaha xD

So if go for LGA2011 for this upgrade, abit like wasted right ?? unless go with i7-6900k (totally not in my budjet lolz... )

So LGA1151 still the best buck for upgrading for Game and work purposed right ??

Somemore AMD Zen aroudn the corner too..
If i keep thinking want to get best perfomance processor + GC ..
Forever i can't be able to upgrade... coz technology wont stop , will keep release better and good processor and GC ..
I think i just stick to my original plan i7-6700k + good mobo for OC .

Then brother.. 1 more thing ..
Asus Strix gtx 1080 haf release 2 type card :-
1 is Advance
1 is OC type

Price quite abit diff alot , around RM 250~300+

what the diff for this 2 ?? Good enof to go for Advance ??
Is it this advance will do pretty well on OC same like the other card (OC ?)

If was you.. which u will pick ? Advance (A8G) or OC (O8G) ??
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Picking LGA2011-3 socket won't be a waste, you get what you pay for, it is still a beastly CPU platform with supreme overclocking ability, the performance gain per generation is too small to convince me for an upgrade from the previous generation.

The only noticeable difference is just the clock speed (couldn't find anything apart from this), Asus is really an expert in how to overcharge their customers doh.gif


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post Dec 15 2016, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Dec 15 2016, 11:53 AM)
Picking LGA2011-3 socket won't be a waste, you get what you pay for, it is still a beastly CPU platform with supreme overclocking ability, the performance gain per generation is too small to convince me for an upgrade from the previous generation.

The only noticeable difference is just the clock speed (couldn't find anything apart from this), Asus is really an expert in how to overcharge their customers  doh.gif
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hmm really hard to decide now.

meanwhile sometime i thinking about get LGA2011-3 with i7-6800k .. just OC it + with gtx 1070
meanwhile sometime i thinking just stick to my original target upgrade .. LGA1151 with i7-6700k and go for gtx 1080 .. then slowly saving to get my 4k monitor.

as u say just now gtx 1080 still not fully qualified for UHD 4k monitor at the moment.
what you think if i upgrade my current spec to :-

LGA 2011-3 with i7-6800k (will overclock it)
and get GTX 1070 at the moment.

Maybe after 2 year + i resell back my GC + topup abit my money..
get 4k monitor + Latest GC that qualified to support 4k monitor ...

for overclock i7-6800k,
I think my current CPU Cooler, can help it ?
for now in my current rig, i use Corsair H110i-v2

** maybe i can just get another gtx 1070 in the future .. for SLI to support 4k gaming..

This post has been edited by xrain87: Dec 15 2016, 12:22 PM
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post Dec 15 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 15 2016, 12:04 PM)
hmm really hard to decide now.

meanwhile sometime i thinking about get LGA2011-3 with i7-6800k .. just OC it + with gtx 1070
meanwhile sometime i thinking just stick to my original target upgrade .. LGA1151 with i7-6700k and go for gtx 1080 .. then slowly saving to get my 4k monitor.

as u say just now gtx 1080 still not fully qualified for UHD 4k monitor at the moment.
what you think if i upgrade my current spec to :-

LGA 2011-3 with i7-6800k (will overclock it)
and get GTX 1070 at the moment.

Maybe after 2 year + i resell back my GC + topup abit my money..
get 4k monitor + Latest GC that qualified to support 4k monitor ...

for overclock i7-6800k,
I think my current CPU Cooler, can help it ?
for now in my current rig, i use Corsair H110i-v2
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Sounds like a good plan to me smile.gif

But SLI (and CF/multi GPU config) has a lot of issues currently, it doesn't always guarantee good scaling sweat.gif

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post Dec 15 2016, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Dec 15 2016, 12:25 PM)
Sounds like a good plan to me  smile.gif

But SLI (and CF/multi GPU config) has a lot of issues currently, it doesn't always guarantee good scaling  sweat.gif
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Okie, thank you brother !

you really help me a lot. Before I really never put much attention on gaming at 1080 Resolution with gtx 1080, will have bottleneck issue to my game.

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QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 14 2016, 02:08 AM)
Thanks, lolzcalvin, ipin.strike92 and terence_nwb for all good advises. Below is the revised spec that I would get and served as a benchmark. Bumped it to 1070  smile.gif
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This will definitely do. But the Windforce card has no backplate which is a let down. I would suggest Zotac GTX 1070 Amp Edition with better aesthetics, a little faster core clock and share very similar price.

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Photoshop/Illustrator? 6700K is more than enough actually haha. Not really necessary to go for 6800K and above unless you perform workload intensive tasks such as rendering, video encoding, superb multitasking (play GTA V while doing video editing and encoding simultaneously).

I'll suggest on getting 6700K, then choose the GPU you preferred the most (I heard the Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming performs very well, at least it's cheaper than Asus Strix). Save the cost and use the leftovers to upgrade other components or use it as a kickstart for future 4K monitor.
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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Dec 15 2016, 05:47 PM)
This will definitely do. But the Windforce card has no backplate which is a let down. I would suggest Zotac GTX 1070 Amp Edition with better aesthetics, a little faster core clock and share very similar price.
Photoshop/Illustrator? 6700K is more than enough actually haha. Not really necessary to go for 6800K and above unless you perform workload intensive tasks such as rendering, video encoding, superb multitasking (play GTA V while doing video editing and encoding simultaneously).

I'll suggest on getting 6700K, then choose the GPU you preferred the most (I heard the Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming performs very well, at least it's cheaper than Asus Strix). Save the cost and use the leftovers to upgrade other components or use it as a kickstart for future 4K monitor.
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Thanks for the info. Would look into that for sure. Searching for good deal now. Not sure where to hunt actually. haha.
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hi,what is the lowest cost to build a rig of i5 6500+ rx480/1060 or i5 6500 +1070 ?
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post Dec 15 2016, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Dec 15 2016, 05:47 PM)
This will definitely do. But the Windforce card has no backplate which is a let down. I would suggest Zotac GTX 1070 Amp Edition with better aesthetics, a little faster core clock and share very similar price.
Photoshop/Illustrator? 6700K is more than enough actually haha. Not really necessary to go for 6800K and above unless you perform workload intensive tasks such as rendering, video encoding, superb multitasking (play GTA V while doing video editing and encoding simultaneously).

I'll suggest on getting 6700K, then choose the GPU you preferred the most (I heard the Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming performs very well, at least it's cheaper than Asus Strix). Save the cost and use the leftovers to upgrade other components or use it as a kickstart for future 4K monitor.
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Thank you brother for feedback.

I want to know, any good 4k monitor u will recommended to get for newbie like me ?? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Dec 15 2016, 08:53 AM)
i7 6800K requires mild overclocking to match the single core performance of i7 6700K thanks to the higher stock clock speed of 6700K, if the apps/games you use is heavy on single core (or single threaded) then 6700K will pull ahead of 6800K in stock speed, 6800K will edge out only when multithreaded operation/process is involved.

If you plan to play games on 1080p resolution only then don't spend too much on GPU, there are various videos showing resolution bottleneck symptoms (1080p) on high end Pascal card on YouTube (like Digital Foundry), you are strongly recommended to DSR to push more graphics details and better image render in games when going for GTX1070/GTX1080 (or higher).
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This DSR, is just a software thing right? no need gsync monitor?
are you recommending for people with normal 1080 monitor, just get gtx1060 and push DSR for best bang/buck rather getting gtx1070
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QUOTE(sonyfanzz @ Dec 15 2016, 10:46 PM)
hi,what is the lowest cost to build a rig of i5 6500+ rx480/1060 or i5 6500 +1070 ?
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Lowest cost build consists of lowest end H110 mobo + 8GB DDR4 RAM (standard value RAM) + 1TB HDD (no SSD) + entry level true power 500W PSU + cheapest variant of GTX1060 6GB/RX480 8GB/GTX1070 8GB.

For i5 6500 + GTX1060 6GB/RX480 8GB, it will cost around 3.3k+/-.

For i5 6500 + GTX1070, it will cost around 3.8k+/-

QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Dec 16 2016, 07:10 AM)
This DSR, is just a software thing right? no need gsync monitor?
are you recommending for people with normal 1080 monitor, just get gtx1060 and push DSR for best bang/buck rather getting gtx1070
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Yes, DSR is Nvidia's technology (AMD equivalent is VSR), you don't need a GSYNC monitor to enjoy this feature, activate it in NCP or NGE.

GTX1060 is a 1080p card so unless the games is really well-optimized, I wouldn't recommend you to use DSR (max out in games graphics settings instead of playing with higher resolution), GTX1070 (and higher) will benefit more from it on a FHD panel.
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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 15 2016, 11:31 PM)
Thank you brother for feedback.

I want to know, any good 4k monitor u will recommended to get for newbie like me ?? notworthy.gif
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No idea about 4K monitor because I have never used it before haha. Try asking at the monitor discussion section and ask for advices from the professionals there.

Extra info, if you can wait until Q1 2017, you might want to try out the newest RYZEN CPU by AMD brows.gif
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23" AH-IPS 2ms !!!!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<
Frameless Multimedia Monitor
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white RM 520
black RM 570

such a good price, cheaper and better then my
Benq EW2440 VA panel



http://www.lazada.com.my/viewsonic-vx2363s...e-10665880.html

http://www.lazada.com.my/viewsonic-vx2363s...k-10665879.html

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Dec 16 2016, 10:58 AM)
No idea about 4K monitor because I have never used it before haha. Try asking at the monitor discussion section and ask for advices from the professionals there.

Extra info, if you can wait until Q1 2017, you might want to try out the newest RYZEN CPU by AMD  brows.gif
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xD Q1 2017. When lolz ~

Because my current setup, i going to let go to my elder brother before feb 2017.
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Dec 15 2016, 12:25 PM)
Sounds like a good plan to me  smile.gif
Brother sorry to bother u again.

Abit confuse with SSD M.2

You think very good to invest for Samsung 950 pro M.2 ??
Or just use back my current Samsung 850 SSD back ??

I check at google. Have 2 size for Samsung 950 pro M.2 (256 and 512gb)
Both size give same perfomance speed ? (Read & Write).

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Dec 16 2016, 08:40 AM)
Lowest cost build consists of lowest end H110 mobo + 8GB DDR4 RAM (standard value RAM) + 1TB HDD (no SSD) + entry level true power 500W PSU + cheapest variant of GTX1060 6GB/RX480 8GB/GTX1070 8GB.

For i5 6500 + GTX1060 6GB/RX480 8GB, it will cost around 3.3k+/-.

For i5 6500 + GTX1070, it will cost around 3.8k+/-
Yes, DSR is Nvidia's technology (AMD equivalent is VSR), you don't need a GSYNC monitor to enjoy this feature, activate it in NCP or NGE.

GTX1060 is a 1080p card so unless the games is really well-optimized, I wouldn't recommend you to use DSR (max out in games graphics settings instead of playing with higher resolution), GTX1070 (and higher) will benefit more from it on a FHD panel.
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The price haven't include monitor is it ?is 2k/4k resolution look really sharp compare to 1080p?I never see 2k with my eyes before .1060 6gb is overkill for 1080p?
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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 16 2016, 03:53 PM)
Brother sorry to bother u again.

Abit confuse with SSD M.2

You think very good to invest for Samsung 950 pro M.2 ??
Or just use back my current Samsung 850 SSD back ??

I check at google. Have 2 size for Samsung 950 pro M.2 (256 and 512gb)
Both size give same perfomance speed ? (Read & Write).
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950 Pro is a NVMe PCIe SSD while 850 is just a normal AHCI SATA 3 SSD, the speed difference is quite significant, same goes to the price tag sweat.gif

But SATA based SSD is already fast enough for normal users to feel its speed advantage over the traditional HDD, 950 Pro is more like a luxurious car, I wouldn't recommend anyone to get it now unless you transfer a lot of stuffs in between all the drives that you have in your rig due to its price tag, wait for few more years until the price gets settled down biggrin.gif

512GB is faster than 256GB (both read and write).
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