u dont want the 4g3 to start with laa ... high repair costs and many part to deal with

brushless is the motor it uses ... brushless = no physical contact in motor so the motor almost last forever one
brushed = carbon contact so when the carbon wears out the motor can throw away liau

and brushless is more powerful but the ESC that goes with the brushlless adds abit more weight

honeybee FP is good coz initial costs are cheap ... all in one ready to fly with tx and all
alot of places got parts for it but maybe all ALL the PARTS la

4#3 is oso another good option .... but it is more difficult coz it is small and that makes it super sensitive to learn ... it is just as crash-able as the esky FP or maybe even more crashable coz small size = small force

its all up to u ... u have to allocate for heli and spare parts as well ... dont forget that

after u make your choice ... we are here to discuss and help whatever we can

where are u located ??

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Added on June 18, 2009, 3:04 pmkenny chai ... u fly mode 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 ??
that hard meh esky FP ?? i tot 4g3 is harder ??

uniquexme got put pre-order price for the 4#3 full brushless few pages back ma ... not that expensive laa if compared to compy + tx setup ... hehehe

This post has been edited by QiW: Jun 18 2009, 03:04 PM

Upgrade to Mode 2 liao lor... Much more easier to control...
HBFP2 original is Mode 1 so is harder to learn...
But due to is using Tail motor so it abit hard to control...
You need to always fight with the tail even when hovering...
Unless your setting is damn chun lar... but the tail will still drift sometimes...

So for beginner is best to start with FP heli...
But the 4#3B is too small for my liking...
That y bought this HBFP2... simple to repair... easy to crash ...
cheap part... mostly need CA only to repair...

Wah, "ho liao"(hokkian) wor...
Just CA and can fly again?? Really can save a lot of RM$$
Gotta consider this first~

Also upgradeable to use belt driven rear rotor...
Brushless and HH Gyro capable...
Guru Z Neon FP frame can get locally...
So basically good heli to start with...
Hahahahahaha....

Wow~~ sound nice la.....
Too bad already bought others... Belt Cp can CA back? Anyone tried before?

Don't think so wor...
Belt CP if crash mostly gotto change lot's part wan wor...
Someone all flyier also don't reccommend it for newbies...
As the repair cost also not that cheap leh...

thats becoz the esky fp is made of plastic mostly .. alot of tolerance to give and take lorr coz plastic is flexible and deforms to stress application .. hehehe
but when u count upgrade liau price is like belt cp price ... then after u upgrade to guru or carbon or metal parts ... cannot use CA to kowtim anymore ..

Eventhou upgrade from HBFP2 to Neon FP, the part quality is still better then Belt CP eventhou is not cheap...
Handling still better then Belt CP as it still FP heli... Lol...
To upgrade or not is own decission lor... Worth it or not depend on ownself lor...
If able to upgrade to Neon FP mean you know how to fly it liao lor... So no need to use CA anymore lor...
Also Neon FP part still cheaper compare to Belt CP lor...
Cheaper then 4G3 also...
Even if stock HBFP2 convert to Neon FP also still cheaper then buying the 4G3...

of coz la ... neon FP cannot invert one ma .. and try flying it in the living room and see laa
see your mum whack your head or not ... hahahahaa
every heli got their own style and character one .. if want to be cheap and crash cheap .. then choose esky lama/dauphin ... hahahahaha

actually u count the costs of the upgrade ... can buy trex 450 pro kit liau ... hehehe
even my 4g3 + upgrade + spare parts oso can more than enuff to buy my 450 pro kit liau

fun level cannot be measured by cost of crash or heli one laaa ...
same like toyota what is good and fun compared to honda or mitsu or bmw etc etc ... then compare fwd rwd 4wd awd etc etc
then buy a bmw or evo or subaru liau cannot complain about petrol laa ..

everybody makes their own choice .. thats their level and definition of fun
fly a .90 nitro and crash kow kow and see la ... can buy a cheap 2nd hand car liau but why ppl still do it ?? hehehehe

I think I will go for full brushless. How about the spare part like tail blade, boom, rotor holder etc. Hobbyasia won't bring in any spare part for 4#3b v3 heli, right? If I break one of this part and cannot repair.....masi cham...cannot fly anymore....

im also a beginner.
but not heli la,plane..
some more i live in bkt jelutong.
so it very convenient for me to play there.
dun worry,im not ask u to show off or whatever,
but more ppl,more fun..
and u can learn something new from sifu2 who play heli there.
no offense ya,just a recommendation or invitation.

the v2 and v3 parts all the same laa ... only diff is the tail motor + 1 ESC + tail holder
rotors .. skids .. boom .. etc etc all same ...
the blades of the 4#3 is much much harder to break compared to the 4G3 laa ... why u so scared ?? hahahahaa
but of coz those 4#3 blades can chip chip chip then just crack laa ... my 4G3 one wont coz it just breaks ... hahahhaa

go for full BL then ... i think uniquexme there oso no more stock for the 4#3 liau ... hahahahaa
full BL refer to earlier pages for price by uniquexme and oso availability ...

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Added on June 18, 2009, 9:53 pmno offense taken laa ... all just happy happy tok tok only
i got no skills ... ppl tell me to go play plane but i stubborn like hell go play heli ... end up crash kow kow .. hahahahaa
bkt jelutong too far to drive on weekend mornings ... that is provided i wake up la .. hahahahaa

This post has been edited by QiW: Jun 18 2009, 09:53 PM

dont worry man,after u master in heli,
it will be a lot easier to play plane.
heli=stress
plane=relax.

anyway,good luck to you bro.
and this add might help u http://malaysia-rc.com/

I believe we all are in the Malaysia-rc.com forum also.. Hahahahaha...

Allan actually i'm flying my HBFP2 in the living room... Not outside the house... Hehehehehe... That y crash so much...

hover in the house is asking for it one lorr using the hbfp ...
but cliffang can hover his 450 in ROOM worr ... i oso hover my 4g3 in room lately .. hahaahahaa

btw .. i just finished assembling my 450 pro head ... too many parts laaa ... then have to locktite locktite which is the part i dont like
tomoro prolly do the tail

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Added on June 19, 2009, 7:48 amgot one more place to call for the wire ... google search malaysia oso that name turned up for 1st few pages of the search engine ... they must have what i want la then but dunno whether they are manufacturer or retailer

This post has been edited by QiW: Jun 19 2009, 07:48 AM

So fast out of stock liao arrr....then no choice lor.....must go for full brushless liao.....

I'll join you with that...

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Added on June 19, 2009, 9:13 amYesterday i replace my Gyro's double sided tape with a 3M double sided, and my tail is rock solid..
I read in articles saying that only use double sided tape and not other's such as: cable tie, velcro strip, etc.
Because the double sided tape normally is about 1.5mm thick which act like cushion that can absorb some vibration from the heli.

This post has been edited by cliffang83: Jun 19 2009, 09:13 AM

I have manage to tune my HBFP2 to take off straightly liao...
So can hover inside the house liao... Only thing it is tail doesn't listen well only...
Other than that is ok liao lor...

Before hover in room have to ensure finely tune, if not you'll ended up "Hovering" everything else in the room~

time for standalone gyro liau ... hahahahaa

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Added on June 19, 2009, 10:47 am3M double sided tape is oso very good i have heard ... u used to strap velcro to the gyro one ah ??
i suppose the strap will transfer vibrations to the heli that causes gyro crazee abit laa

This post has been edited by QiW: Jun 19 2009, 10:47 AM