Nobody wants accident to happen.
If the time comes, that's it.

Most Malaysians why they buy Toyota or Honda or Perodua?
Reliability.
What's the point buying a car that gives you endless headache and making countless stops the the workshop?

Time is money.

2002 Nissan Serena 1.6 (A) - i think it is quite underpowered though.

he wants a bangbus, dun make him say it out

"time is money" is a relative point.

here is a simplified example:

2007 Proton Wira Sedan 1.5 (A) @ 8.8k

2005 Perodua Kenari 1.0 (A) @ 9.9k

The parameters are for a used automatic car below RM10k Proton vs Perodua.
I decided to use the Proton Wira as the benchmark.
Thus when I started the search for Perodua it has to be a Myvi, I was pretty confident there would be no Myvi of the same year and price as the Wira.
I was surprised I couldn't find any Myvi below 10k, then I changed to Kenari and I had to roll from 2007 to 2005 only found two units.
I chose this one because it looks in stock condition although it is more expensive.

The safe answer would probably be the Kenari for most people based on your argument above, it is quite true that is what most people think anyway.
However, not only it is more expensive it is also older by 2 years.
If based on minimum usage per day of 20km x 365 days x 2 years = 14,600km additional at minimum.
For Japanese cars which service intervals are usually by 5000km, that's 3 additional service intervals.
How well it was maintained and how much additional wear & tear the components had to endure is unknown.
So if we take the worst case scenario it is better to get a younger car which has a lesser chance for the owner to f-up things.

Would the Kenari be more reliable eventhough it is two years older?
Well if both cars were maintained equally well then yes it probably would.
Around that time Proton was still trying to sort out it's QC mess so there would still be some units sold to customer with subpar QC.

Would the 2007 Proton Wira be a better buy?
It is C-segment vs the A-segment Kenari.
It is a sedan vs the hatchback Kenari with almost no boot space.
In the likelihood of an accident, being inside the slightly bigger Wira would give a slight advantage over the Kenari, as both were from an era where safety wasn't an important factor in cars at our region so the only passive safety aspect is size to buffer the impact.

If one needs a car that can do everything for that budget and not just an A-B (office to home) vehicle then I'd lean more towards the Wira.
It is bigger, got room to grow if buying/upgrading to another car isn't an option for the next 5-10 years.
1500cc engine makes it just good enough for interstate highway travel.
the 1000cc engine on the Kenari can bring you from KL to Penang for sure but at the risk of higher fuel consumption, limited to no overtaking, high NVH and poor handling would result in a tired driver and longer hours on the road. Longer hours on the highway just increases ones risk/exposure to accidents/anything.

True the Wira is rough around the edges and although may not be that reliable but fixes are easy and relatively inexpensive.
That time spent at workshops learning about cars would of course add to ones experience.
Experience learnt is never wasted.
It can also be something to help one based their decision on future car buy.

Whether to take it safe buy an over priced reliable car from Toyota, Honda, Perodua (new/used) or look at the other options from Nissan, Mitsubishi, BMW, etc.

quite a suitable choice, i must say u picked nicely, is the engine below the seats type?

got secondary choice or any comparison choice?

This post has been edited by lowya: Aug 16 2016, 10:21 AM

ingatkan mau car......

the avanza sort of fit in right there then~ (fully loaded the 1.3 will bring a whole new meaning to the term sluggish)
an apv will set you back around that amount too....


kantoi cars that should be considered
- if u can stomach a fatter engine, you can have an unser with spare cash to pay that slightly higher road tax for many years

the engine is at the nose.
the transmission is between the driver row and passenger first row.
i recall it fits 7 with dynamic seating.
would be under 20k.

benji benji... if i want buy axia standard G-auto... what shud i consider?

Hi guys.. im looking for a used car good for 4 person (maybe B-segment or C-segment)
- used car
- 4 seater
- auto transmission
- toyota/honda/nissan (which one more reliable? or can recommend a more reliable make)

my budget is around RM30+k... can stretch to RM40+k with good reasons (may be newer model more reliable.. etc.)

if lower than budget also good (im willing to spend abit more, for less headache is the main reason..)



i'd like to add, i prioritise:
1. reliability (dont want to spend my whole life in workshop)
2. FC (poor la)
3. low maintenance (very pooor )
4. looks nice abit la



or can just narrow down between vios/city/latio
considering also (not sure) inspira/vw polo/fiesta/honda insight/almera/chevrolet cruze

idk where to start was hoping any sifu here can help recommend a car

and very sorry for the lengthy post

This post has been edited by couchpotat0: Aug 17 2016, 06:57 AM

God car , Vios Dugong.

what you using it for?
what is your daily drive distance?
what is your job?
how much you can afford for upkeep a month?

Inspira = you can consider but it would be 35k at least for 2010 models. however since you're more budget conscious i don't recommend this.
Polo Sedan = although you can get a 2012 model for about 40k, that would be on the upper end of your budget with nothing left to spare, and again for your being budget conscious this might not be a good idea.
Insight/Fiesta/Cruze = not the cheapest and easiest to maintain.
City = the one within your budget is the older one which uses a CVT, I don't really recommend you'd get that one being budget conscious.
Vios = is a good buy but of course the problem is the RV, RV is too good so you're bound to pay a premium price if you want to get a younger car.

2013 Nissan Almera 1.5(A) @ 37k - this might be stretch to the limits of your budget but the good reason is the Almera is a pretty solid car and it isn't really very old, a 3 year old car. I've checked around the Almera is pretty cheap to maintain and not very fussy. Space wise it has a decent boot size and good rear leg room for passengers, so if you can't afford a C-segment this is as good as it gets. About the only downside is the performance -- with the stretched body and a pathetic engine -- it is good enough for daily driving to office, family duties and outstation in relative comfort but without a powerful engine highway speed overtaking isn't something you should do often and if you like powerful cars (or light cars with decent engines like Kelisa/Wira) you've gotta change your driving pattern else you'll always be stepping on the throttle to force it to pick-up faster which just makes the gearbox drop a gear and push the car forward at high rpm burning more fuel than you actually need (unless for overtaking).

2008 Nissan Latio 1.6 (A) - on the other end of the scale if you're looking for something very budget conscious you can consider a car like this, of course within your budget you'll also see younger Latio's and Latio's better spec like having a 1800cc engine, bodykit, etc. Those are also good but let me talk about this car incase in your mind you want a car that can do everything yet is the cheapest in town. So this is a 2008 model which means it will be 10 years old in 2 years time, plus even if you take a modest 5 year loan to finish it off quickly you're still looking at a car which is 13 years old before you fully own it (but it would be a cheap under 400 a month repayment), will it matter and will it last? It is quite reliable and the Japanese engineering put into it will also mean parts are usually cheap. For the matter of parts you can either buy the originals from TCM/Nissan Malaysia or compatible/OEM imported from else where in the region or Japan. Since the car is way beyond the warranty period no need to get the originals and usually those OEM parts from Japan are of a higher quality standard. Find a used car in good condition and it should be quite cheap to maintain it from then on, do note that things like absorbers, mountings, and bearings are consumable items which are bound to fail at some point so since you're buying a used car do take into consideration the cost of these parts to be replaced somewhere within a year or two since it is reaching the 10 year mark as even the most resilient part the suspension springs are only rated for 8-10 years but usually last longer.

just drive kl-melaka once a month.
daily drive distance only 2km. to carry myownself and my bag.

alamak 2km je daily....... hmmm.... bicycle? (honest suggestion )

sometimes, go other place at least once a week.

any trusted second hand car dealer nearby klang valley/selangor? thinking to get either camry or estima

if you ask me, only thing about axia is that its not the best car around for long distance driving....

for town driving, it's a brilliant little thing. (pocket wise)

other relatively newish options are:
1)almost new, used p1 cars
2)OR the inkambing p1 cars...
3)bezza (no real point if space isn't something you're after)

space is not something im after too... ohhh.. not suitable long distance.. ok.. then will be use within the city itself.

you should never fully trust them

why not you stick with axia for city driving and take a bus back to your hometown?

yeah.. plan to do that... now searching good dealer

Hi all,

I'm planning to get a new car budget approx 50-60k, currently in mind would be bezza advance, alza, new proton persona. Already fully owned an old viva, so wanted to get a bigger sedan car. Still considering which one to go for. Hope can get some tips from you all in deciding one. Thanks in advance. 😃

Hey guys,
I would like to apologise beforehand if any of my questions has been asked previously or might not be in the right thread.

Im currently looking to buy a second hand mazda 2 skyacriv hatchback

First hand owner
Bought at : march 2015 ( ~ 18 months )
Mileage : 17000km
Reason for selling : bought a bigger car
Asking price ~rm 67000

Hows the estimated depreciation value for this car?

I have tested the car, it was superb but theres some wear n tears as shown below. Meanwhile, the car would be sent for servicing, i was hoping mazda servicing centre could do a thorough check to ensure the owner's claims are true.

Should i go for it? Thx for any replies!!



This post has been edited by KinggJulez: Aug 20 2016, 06:34 PM

only wana comment on the pics....
-make sure that stain is due to some spillage or something, not something horrible like a flood (to be fair, a flooded car would be stained everywhere else as well)
-scratched like that, well... its a used car, you will see many more of that if you really go through the car with a fine toothed comb~