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Jack128
post Oct 19 2016, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Oct 19 2016, 09:02 AM)
IMHO, 2CPremier is only worth it if you can earn enough points to exchange to air miles due to its best conversion rate and TP earning rate (though not as good as last time). Even with VI card, you get 2TP for every RM1 spent.

2 years worth of collecting points allowed me to fly business on cathay pacific by just paying RM 1k on taxes for 2 pax. Cash purchase value of the ticket is about RM 34k for 2 pax. Think of it as having a big treat once awhile.

Some people prefer monthly cash rebates. I prefer having being rewarded with big treats once awhile. 2 years of RM 50 - 100 cash rebates does not give the equivalent value as flying J class.

For those who want to optimize earning, i suggest to pair this card with either HLB Mach Signature or MBB Krisflyer Amex to take advantage of points earning from Utilities and Government. If you can get HLB VI or Alliance VI, all the better.

Just stay away from HSBC cards even though their advertised conversion rate looks good. They come with lots of T&C and limitation. I had a big headache trying to figure out when to use the card and when not to.

CIMB VI or World Mastercard while has good potential miles earning rate, the AF is too expensive and to get a waiver is a bi**h. Have to spend like RM 1Mil to get automatic waiver. There's also a limitation on the number of miles earned a year.
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I share the same sentiment as you Raist86. In just 1 year of using the 2CPremier, I was able to collect close to 1 Mio TP. It used to be alot easier before they imposed stupid restrictions. Having said that, MAS Enrich redemption is also getting ridiculous so you have to wait for their promotion to score some great deals on their business class seats. Nice way to give a treat to the family biggrin.gif
BTW I think you meant CIMB World Enrich because their World MAstercard is free for life.
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post Oct 19 2016, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Oct 18 2016, 08:39 PM)
Sorry you need to rephrase your words, what is "pay my FD with my card"?

I am one of those that pledge FD to get the card, what is your exact problem? Pledging basically mean you tie your FD to the CC to compensate the difference of CL that the bank is willing to give you & the minimum CL required for the card.
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IMHO it is gullible for anyone to think they can place an FD deposit based on a 'swipe' of the CC. It will be interesting to see what his 'banker' says but I suspect he will not post back here tongue.gif
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post Oct 19 2016, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(aromachong @ Oct 19 2016, 08:26 AM)
how much u guys pledge for this card?

is it worth?...
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QUOTE(Jack128 @ Oct 19 2016, 11:55 AM)
I share the same sentiment as you Raist86. In just 1 year of using the 2CPremier, I was able to collect close to 1 Mio TP. It used to be alot easier before they imposed stupid restrictions. Having said that, MAS Enrich redemption is also getting ridiculous so you have to wait for their promotion to score some great deals on their business class seats. Nice way to give a treat to the family  biggrin.gif
BTW I think you meant CIMB World Enrich because their World MAstercard is free for life.
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Yea, my bad, it's the world enrich. both have ridiculous t&c.

Trick is to do the exchange to Enrich when they have 10% extra promotion, then redeem via one world redemption or one world multicarrier redemption. The problem is maybe restriction on seats by partner carrier or fresh call center staff who does not know how to do the redemption. I had to try several times to finally secure my seats.

I'm now putting my miles to Krisflyer considering that MBB still have the krisflyer card to earn miles at almost RM 1 = 1 mile.
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post Oct 19 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Oct 19 2016, 12:20 PM)
Yea, my bad, it's the world enrich. both have ridiculous t&c.

Trick is to do the exchange to Enrich when they have 10% extra promotion, then redeem via one world redemption or one world multicarrier redemption. The problem is maybe restriction on seats by partner carrier or fresh call center staff who does not know how to do the redemption. I had to try several times to finally secure my seats.

I'm now putting my miles to Krisflyer considering that MBB still have the krisflyer card to earn miles at almost RM 1 = 1 mile.
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How do you work out the conversion of Krisflyer RM1=1 Mile? Is this on the assumption that all spending will be on the 5X Points on Amex? Comparing with Enrich, do you find the Krisflyer to be a better deal when doing redemptions? Don't really like transiting in Singapore but MAS has cut so many routes and is transforming into a regional airline
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post Oct 19 2016, 01:40 PM

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i only use krisfler for transactions that don't qualify for x5 on 2CP amex (tnb, gov transactions etc).

Krisflyer earning is RM 2 = 1 mile for local spend. but if spend RM 60k> a year, there's a bonus of 1 additional mile for every RM spent. That amount is hit easily for me hence i factor in the bonus earning to become RM 1 = 1 Mile.

So far haven't done redemption on krisflyer. I'm using this card to capture all the miles that would've otherwise gone to waste. Ideally if there's a card that can earn the same rate for Asiamiles, i'd have gone for it as CX has better redemption availability and lower tax charges. SQ tax charges can sometimes be eye watering. For example, the same destination i redeemed on CX J would've cost me RM 3.5k in taxes on SQ... But some forumers have found loopholes that cut the taxes which requires starting the flight from certain location (MNL etc).
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Oct 19 2016, 12:20 PM)
Yea, my bad, it's the world enrich. both have ridiculous t&c.

Trick is to do the exchange to Enrich when they have 10% extra promotion, then redeem via one world redemption or one world multicarrier redemption. The problem is maybe restriction on seats by partner carrier or fresh call center staff who does not know how to do the redemption. I had to try several times to finally secure my seats.

I'm now putting my miles to Krisflyer considering that MBB still have the krisflyer card to earn miles at almost RM 1 = 1 mile.
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my next in line card would be Kriflyer mbb card too once I finished the redemption of the enrich miles. but 1 thing I can't find the info is the annual fee waiver. do u need to pay the AF?

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1st year waive. 2nd year, call in to ask waiver. MBB is quite lenient on AF if you have enough spending on the card.
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post Oct 19 2016, 02:51 PM

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Any idea if Krisflyer gives better value for their miles compared to Enrich? For eg. how many points required to fly KL-London on business class? Because Rm1 = 1 Mile is almost comparable to 2CPremier
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post Oct 19 2016, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Oct 19 2016, 01:40 PM)
i only use krisfler for transactions that don't qualify for x5 on 2CP amex (tnb, gov transactions etc).

Krisflyer earning is RM 2 = 1 mile for local spend. but if spend RM 60k> a year, there's a bonus of 1 additional mile for every RM spent. That amount is hit easily for me hence i factor in the bonus earning to become RM 1 = 1 Mile.

So far haven't done redemption on krisflyer. I'm using this card to capture all the miles  that would've otherwise gone to waste. Ideally if there's a card that can earn the same rate for Asiamiles, i'd have gone for it as CX has better redemption availability and lower tax charges. SQ tax charges can sometimes be eye watering. For example, the same destination i redeemed on CX J would've cost me RM 3.5k in taxes on SQ... But some forumers have found loopholes that cut the taxes which requires starting the flight from certain location (MNL etc).
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Raist, are you being awarded miles for TNB and Gov Transactions (Assessment etc)? Been screwed twice by credit cards, once by 2CPremier when they changed their T&C and second time by HL VI which suddenly decided to give ZERO points for transactions through JomPay ranting.gif
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QUOTE(Jack128 @ Oct 19 2016, 02:51 PM)
Any idea if Krisflyer gives better value for their miles compared to Enrich? For eg. how many points required to fly KL-London on business class? Because Rm1 = 1 Mile is almost comparable to 2CPremier
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Best to read up the prior posts here and check the Krisflyer website yourself. There's more to an award redemption than how many points for a flight, including availability of award tickets, number of award seats per flight etc.

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My experience trying out kf redemption has been negative....never could find confirmed seats to Australia....always wait list....

And for all of enrich 's flaws, there are almost always confirmed seats available in most sectors....
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QUOTE(Jack128 @ Oct 19 2016, 03:36 PM)
Raist, are you being awarded miles for TNB and Gov Transactions (Assessment etc)? Been screwed twice by credit cards, once by 2CPremier when they changed their T&C and second time by HL VI which suddenly decided to give ZERO points for transactions through JomPay  ranting.gif
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After March, no more miles awarded for TNB and GOV Transaction. I stopped using VI or Amex for these two transactions immediately and switched over to HL mach Signature. Mach Sig still earns points cos it's direct conversion of total spending to Enrich at end of statement. I did use some jompay on mach sig, and that time i still earn enrich miles. Stopped using Mach Sig as of August. Now using Krisflyer for these transactions and i can confirm that all spending on Krisflyer amex earns miles as it's direct conversion to miles.



QUOTE(tishaban @ Oct 19 2016, 04:13 PM)
Best to read up the prior posts here and check the Krisflyer website yourself. There's more to an award redemption than how many points for a flight, including availability of award tickets, number of award seats per flight etc.
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You need to know which FF you wanna park your miles to before committing on the card. I've tried Enrich and i got fed up with the YO-YO customer service & marketing. There's no way to capture my spending on utilities & gov transactions for Asia Miles redemption. Hence the final and only way is to use MBB Krisflyer card. I'm doing this only because i have >RM10k a month on utilities and gov transactions.
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post Oct 19 2016, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 19 2016, 05:18 PM)
My experience trying out kf redemption has been negative....never could find confirmed seats to Australia....always wait list....

And for all of enrich 's flaws, there are almost always confirmed seats available in most sectors....
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point well noted, thanks for your feedback
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post Oct 19 2016, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Oct 19 2016, 05:18 PM)
After March, no more miles awarded for TNB and GOV Transaction. I stopped using VI or Amex for these two transactions immediately and switched over to HL mach Signature. Mach Sig still earns points cos it's direct conversion of total spending to Enrich at end of statement. I did use some jompay on mach sig, and that time i still earn enrich miles. Stopped using Mach Sig as of August. Now using Krisflyer for these transactions and i can confirm that all spending on Krisflyer amex earns miles as it's direct conversion to miles.
You need to know which FF you wanna park your miles to before committing on the card. I've tried Enrich and i got fed up with the YO-YO customer service & marketing. There's no way to capture my spending on utilities & gov transactions for Asia Miles redemption. Hence the final and only way is to use MBB Krisflyer card. I'm doing this only because i have >RM10k a month on utilities and gov transactions.
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Same situation as you. About 10K of utilities per month but missing out on all the points. Glad that you confirm Krisflyer is still awarding for TNB and Gov. With the double bonus miles (60K spending per annum is no prob), it seems like a pretty good deal. As to ease of redemption on Krisflyer, I guess we just have to tough it out. May be worth the effort with their bigger route options etc.

This way I can accumulate both enrich and krisflyer rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Jack128 @ Oct 19 2016, 06:38 PM)
This way I can accumulate both enrich and krisflyer  rclxms.gif
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I strongly advise against collecting more than one type of FF if you can help it. Krisflyer is a fine program to park all your miles under, especially if you can use it on other star alliance flights eg. Thai or ANA in this region.

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 19 2016, 05:18 PM)
My experience trying out kf redemption has been negative....never could find confirmed seats to Australia....always wait list....

And for all of enrich 's flaws, there are almost always confirmed seats available in most sectors....
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How far in advance can you book? Destinations MEL/SYD? For how many pax? I managed 4 saver level award tickets (J & F) for my family SIN-MEL//SYD-SIN in August next year. I have also managed to book a few weeks/months out travelling to China/India.

The fact that there are "almost always confirmed seats available" on MH should tell you something. Hate to be a party pooper but I've tried the refurbished J seats. One word: tight. Cannot compare to their excellent J product on the A380. Better than the sloping seats of old but still, a far cry from SQ, QR or CX J. The recent removal of the 15% online booking discount is the proverbial straw that broke this camel's back: I'm burning my remaining Enrich miles redeeming on partner airlines, the inevitable nightmare of an experience with MH call centre notwithstanding. End rant.
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QUOTE(tishaban @ Oct 19 2016, 07:03 PM)
I strongly advise against collecting more than one type of FF if you can help it. Krisflyer is a fine program to park all your miles under, especially if you can use it on other star alliance flights eg. Thai or ANA in this region.
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As tishaban said. Its better to accumulate on one FF program. Do note that since its a monthly automatic transfer to krisflyer, you have up to 3 years from the first transfer before your points starts to expire. It is also advisable to use the earn and burn method instead of keeping miles for long term due to devaluation like in the case of Enrich. I kept my miles in hopes of using for enrich discount time only to have enrich removing the 15% redemption discount which devalued my miles. In the end it's cheaper to redeem on other one world carrier than enrich.

Btw, just to chk with those who are familiar with *A, do they have something like OW multi carrier award? I didn't really understood this award system until recently and am knocking myself over it. With the same amount of miles, i could've redeemed a roundtrip flight WITH stopovers included.. it's like being able to visit 2-3 countries on one ticket... damm

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QUOTE(Jack128 @ Oct 19 2016, 02:51 PM)
Any idea if Krisflyer gives better value for their miles compared to Enrich? For eg. how many points required to fly KL-London on business class? Because Rm1 = 1 Mile is almost comparable to 2CPremier
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Krisflyer award chart is more refined, 14 zones vs Enrich 7 zones.

You can compare yourself but don't forget about the plane that they operate. The worst you can have with SQ is the 772 while with MH you might be stuck in a 737.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/tw/en/enri...a-airlines.html

https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/pdf/ppsc...AwardCharts.pdf

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Oct 19 2016, 08:10 PM)
Btw, just to chk with those who are familiar with *A, do they have something like OW multi carrier award? I didn't really understood this award system until recently and am knocking myself over it. With the same amount of miles, i could've redeemed a roundtrip flight WITH stopovers included.. it's like being able to visit 2-3 countries on one ticket... damm
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Multi carrier awards are very airline dependent and ideally is based on a distance based chart.

Obviously CX has it with Asia Miles, on *A United MileagePlus has it although it's been curtailed very recently. On United I did Turkish + United + Austrian once, another time it was Thai + Lufthansa. Another *A carrier that has this is Aeroplan which I'm considering for my upcoming US trip. KUL-BKK-TPE-JFK on Thai and EVA and back on JFK-NRT-KUL on ANA.

You should be able to do the same for Krisflyer, although their star alliance rates are higher and because it's zone based you can't do creative routing like KUL-AKL-SCL-LIM-LAX-NRT-KUL.


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