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supersimple123
post Aug 19 2016, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(slk @ Aug 19 2016, 07:39 PM)
erm i find the surface must be prepped (paint cleaner) prior to using C476 or Meguiar's M16. If not, they will not bond properly.

On a daily driver, I prefer wax/sealant with a bit of cleaners/fillers eg Meguiar's Ultimate Wax / Duragloss 105 / Meguiar's Cleaner Wax.

try to wax everymonth.. then QD/QuikWax/Sonax BSD/Duragloss Aquawax after every wash
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Ok.. seems its not so user friendly. I'm currently using the ultimate paste wax monthly. Just thought to switch things up.

Paint cleaner meaning? Was thinking of using the meguiars cleaner wax to clean it up, then slapping the C476 on.. bad idea? Is it hard to buff off compared to the ultimate wax?
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post Aug 19 2016, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(supersimple123 @ Aug 19 2016, 07:53 PM)
Ok.. seems its not so user friendly. I'm currently using the ultimate paste wax monthly. Just thought to switch things up.

Paint cleaner meaning? Was thinking of using the meguiars cleaner wax to clean it up, then slapping the C476 on.. bad idea? Is it hard to buff off compared to the ultimate wax?
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C467, FK1000P, Meg Ult wax are not all in one products. The surface must be prep. If the surface condition is without heavy defects, then wash, clay if necessary, and use a prewax cleanser like Dodo Juice Lime Prime.

If there are heavy defects like scratches, etches, it's better to wash, clay, compound then polish. Meg Ult Compound & Polish is a good combo. And there are some that would use a prewax cleanser before applying the sealant.


This post has been edited by gfwong: Aug 19 2016, 10:03 PM
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post Aug 19 2016, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(supersimple123 @ Aug 19 2016, 07:53 PM)
Ok.. seems its not so user friendly. I'm currently using the ultimate paste wax monthly. Just thought to switch things up.

Paint cleaner meaning? Was thinking of using the meguiars cleaner wax to clean it up, then slapping the C476 on.. bad idea? Is it hard to buff off compared to the ultimate wax?
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try to finish off you current wax before getting something new... or else you end up with so many products and they'll go bad when you cant finish them smile.gif

paint clean with light polish/ AIO (all in one).eg :
1. Dodo Juice Need for speed
2. DJ Lime Prime
3. AG SRP
4. Meguiar's SwirlX
5. Zaino AIO
derail
post Aug 20 2016, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 19 2016, 02:30 PM)
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Regarding the "overrated EGP" I believe you are referring to my earlier post on a UK car detailer's sealant and wax test. And the test vehicle is not a bus but a horse box. That was done 8 years ago. I have not seen others doing such comprehensive test since then.

Sealant test
Wax test

Now, there is this guy, interesting
The best wax sealant (jump to 9.18 as his video is long)
The best wax sealant part 2
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Whether its a horsebox or combination horsebox motorhome, all my earlier comments still apply.
I've already commented earlier in the thread that the biggest sealant/wax tests are flawed which affected the results. Its not a coincidence that winners in the tests tend to be the ones near or at the top most sections. Some of the results that I found questionable was Collinite 915, 845 beating out 476, 915 lasting the longest of the Collinite bunch, low carnauba content show car wax (Onyx) lasting longer than durable sealants.

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post Aug 20 2016, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(kitleon81 @ Aug 19 2016, 10:56 AM)
Indeed in our weather, they won't last that long without some maintenance like spray waxes or spray coating. With the volume of rain we have to deal with even the best wax or coating cannot stop water stains from getting on your car and regular washing is required to keep your ride clean. After going through various waxes, sealants and spray waxes, I now go for the quickest high quality spray coating I can find (does not contain petroleum distillates, so I don't have to deal with streaking on a black car):Sensha Fine Crystal , and apply it fortnightly after washing.
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I've never seen that Sensha product before. There doesn't seem to be alot of info on the website. If the product has to be applied every fortnight, it doesn't sound as durable as comparable glass type spray on sealants or its just a watered version.

QUOTE(supersimple123 @ Aug 19 2016, 06:41 PM)
Where can i find this Collinite 476? Will try it out =)
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Ship it from US or buy it locally from waregem.
Collinite 476 and the Megs ultimate liquid/paste wax you are using has no abrasives, so its not going to be any different from what you are doing now.
A polish is still needed to remove defects like swirls. I use a mild polish to remove dirt and old wax/sealants when the old wax is in poor condition although some prefer something milder like a paint cleaner.

If you use something like a cleaner-wax, it is a combination polish-wax so there will be a layer of wax left on top which is not what you want when you use collinite 476. No point applying collinite over a less durable underlying layer unless you like the look of that layering.

I don't use paint cleaner when putting down a fresh layer of wax/sealant when the condition of the old wax is good which is why a long lasting sealant like collinite is good, because you don't have to polish every month, just need to slap on a new layer of wax.

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post Aug 20 2016, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(derail @ Aug 20 2016, 09:54 AM)
Whether its a horsebox or combination horsebox motorhome, all my earlier comments still apply.
I've already commented earlier in the thread that the biggest sealant/wax tests are flawed which affected the results. Its not a coincidence that winners in the tests tend to be the ones near or at the top most sections. Some of the results that I found questionable was Collinite 915, 845 beating out 476, 915 lasting the longest of the Collinite bunch, low carnauba content show car wax (Onyx) lasting longer than durable sealants.
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Ok, ok, it's flawed. Autoglym EGP is outclassed. Yes, it's over-rated by everybody (including the forensic detailing guy from YouTube and people from Autogeek forum). I hope you're happy now :-). I do not wish to create any argument or tension here. Sorry.

As i mentioned it's all up personal preference and from my experience of using EGP and FK1000P they have about the same durability, in fact better than Meg Ult Wax which is more hyped.

BTW. I'm not getting any commission for sharing these products. It's just my hobby and i buy these stuff for testing.

Bye. Sorry.

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post Aug 20 2016, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(derail @ Aug 20 2016, 10:39 AM)
I've never seen that Sensha product before. There doesn't seem to be alot of info on the website. If the product has to be applied every fortnight, it doesn't sound as durable as comparable glass type spray on sealants or its just a watered version.
I use it fortnightly because I like to keep it that way, and requires little effort. I used to use megs nxt followed by ultimate spray wax fortnightly too. Do I need to? Not really. So now I totally do away with any wax on wax off products (sealants included), its just too much work. And my ride? Still flawless.
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Awareness on Japanese products is poor here and this is what I'm interested to change. USA based products have had a lot more marketing, but you're paying a lot more for it too. I've given Sensha products a go and I'm not going back anytime soon. thumbup.gif

At the end of the day, use what you like, nobody is always right.
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QUOTE(nabilvintage @ Aug 19 2016, 12:58 PM)
Hi, do you guys know any good shop that do car coating? This is my first time buying a new car. Thank you
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myride uses sensha products and coatings, prices are low and staff highly skilled.
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post Aug 20 2016, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(supersimple123 @ Aug 19 2016, 06:59 PM)
Btw just to share,  been using the xpress wax (D15601) for my weekly wash the past 2 weeks... it is not 100% the same with the ultimate quik wax which i had used many many bottles of.

Ultimate quik wax is more concentrated. Xpress wax feels watered down. Initial application.. xpress wax has not much lubricity.. almost like water. But after it has been wiped off and left for 10mins it feels sleek and behaves almost the same as the quik wax. So all those comments i read in forums saying the 2 are exactly the same is not really correct..
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wow..
thanks for the sharing
it is something that surprised me since everyone out thr is saying D156 is the same as UQW
I just got myself OCW in spray size and also a gallon of OOC for spot cleaning such as bird bomb, tree sap, pollen, bugs etc
will still prefer rinseless for cleaning instead because it is more economical IMO
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post Aug 21 2016, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 19 2016, 02:30 PM)
Thanks.
Agreed that EGP is old but IMHO, I do not think it is fair to call it outclassed. I have EGP on one of my cars since April this year and it is still going strong as I use spray wax after every wash. Having both FK1000P and EGP, I am inclinde to say that both of them has the same durability

I think it is up to personal preference then. EGP is a liquid and slightly easier to apply compared to paste type like FK1000P. And yes, I normally leave them at least an hour before buffing off.

Regarding the "overrated EGP" I believe you are referring to my earlier post on a UK car detailer's sealant and wax test. And the test vehicle is not a bus but a horse box. That was done 8 years ago. I have not seen others doing such comprehensive test since then.

Sealant test
Wax test

Now, there is this guy, interesting
The best wax sealant (jump to 9.18 as his video is long)
The best wax sealant part 2
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Really appreciate if you could recommend me a paste wax and a waterless wash which are available locally.

I really have no idea which one to choose. Willing to spend big bucks if the product is proven good.
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post Aug 21 2016, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 20 2016, 10:53 AM)
Ok, ok, it's flawed. Autoglym EGP is outclassed. Yes, it's over-rated by everybody (including the forensic detailing guy from YouTube and people from Autogeek forum). I hope you're happy now :-). I do not wish to create any argument or tension here. Sorry.

As i mentioned it's all up personal preference and from my experience of using EGP and FK1000P they have about the same durability, in fact better than Meg Ult Wax which is more hyped.
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You need to learn to calm down or you're going to be very unhappy on the internet.

I questioned the method of the tests which favoured products applied higher up on the vehicle which are less affected by rain and roadspray. And as it turns out, less durable products applied on the upper sections lasted longer than more durable products like collinite 476. Car detailing forums including autogeek generally see EGP as a good product not as one of the best in terms of durability.
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post Aug 21 2016, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(nabilvintage @ Aug 19 2016, 12:58 PM)
Hi, do you guys know any good shop that do car coating? This is my first time buying a new car. Thank you
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www.osren.com
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post Aug 21 2016, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(kitleon81 @ Aug 20 2016, 11:46 AM)
I use it fortnightly because I like to keep it that way, and requires little effort. I used to use megs nxt followed by ultimate spray wax fortnightly too. Do I need to? Not really. So now I totally do away with any wax on wax off products (sealants included), its just too much work. And my ride? Still flawless.
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Well it sounds like a good product if its durability is similar to comparable products like gyeon/reload/fireball especially when the its cheaper those products.
From their main website https://senshacoating.com, the durability is given as 1week.
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post Aug 21 2016, 08:28 PM

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Hi all, any recommendations on value for money car shampoo products? Compare with wash & wax which 1 is prefer? As I am not washing my car at home every time, that's y just wan to buy some cheap and good car wash products to stand by..
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QUOTE(flyt0thesky @ Aug 21 2016, 08:28 PM)
Hi all, any recommendations on value for money car shampoo products? Compare with wash & wax which 1 is prefer? As I am not washing my car at home every time, that's y just wan to buy some cheap and good car wash products to stand by..
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http://osren.com/product/solutions/all/bubble--wax
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post Aug 21 2016, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(slk @ Aug 19 2016, 10:26 PM)
try to finish off you current wax before getting something new... or else you end up with so many products and they'll go bad when you cant finish them smile.gif

paint clean with light polish/ AIO (all in one).eg :
1. Dodo Juice Need for speed
2. DJ Lime Prime
3. AG SRP
4. Meguiar's SwirlX
5. Zaino AIO
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Thanks. True.. its tempting to try new products thou.. Haha.


QUOTE(derail @ Aug 20 2016, 10:39 AM)
Collinite 476 and the Megs ultimate liquid/paste wax you are using has no abrasives, so its not going to be any different from what you are doing now.
A polish is still needed to remove defects like swirls. I use a mild polish to remove dirt and old wax/sealants when the old wax is in poor condition although some prefer something  milder like a paint cleaner.

If you use something like a cleaner-wax, it is a combination polish-wax so there will be a layer of wax left on top which is not what you want when you use collinite 476. No point applying collinite over a less durable underlying layer unless you like the look of that layering.

I don't use paint cleaner when putting down a fresh layer of wax/sealant when the condition of the old wax is good which is why a long lasting sealant like collinite is good, because you don't have to polish every month, just need to slap on a new layer of wax.
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Good tip. Thanks!


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post Aug 21 2016, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(flyt0thesky @ Aug 21 2016, 08:28 PM)
Hi all, any recommendations on value for money car shampoo products? Compare with wash & wax which 1 is prefer? As I am not washing my car at home every time, that's y just wan to buy some cheap and good car wash products to stand by..
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From the few shampoos i've tried, would say "cheap" and "good" do not belong together. Get a good one.. a rm20 bottle of shampoo greatly differs from a rm80 one.
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post Aug 21 2016, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(derail @ Aug 21 2016, 01:02 PM)
Well it sounds like a good product if its durability is similar to comparable products like gyeon/reload/fireball especially when the its cheaper those products.
From their main website https://senshacoating.com, the durability is given as 1week.
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From my experience, I take manufacturer claims with a handful of salt. 12 weeks for gyeon wet coat? With the same basic ingredients, fluorine compounds, sio2, and such?

I'll give it a shot. If I can get 12 weeks water beading, then I'm definitely sold. Else this just proves who is more credible right?

Stay tuned guys.
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Guys, need help =(

My car got stained with those irritating yellow tree sap but all the the, they washed off with ease but this time, i just left a blotch there. I tried to use the Soft 99 cleaner wax and some elbow grease but to no avail.

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When I tried to touched it, it sits even with the paint surface but if you shine light at an angle, you can clearly see that it's slightly bulged.

What the hell is this tree sap =(((
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post Aug 23 2016, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Aug 22 2016, 09:36 PM)
Guys, need help =(

My car got stained with those irritating yellow tree sap but all the the, they washed off with ease but this time, i just left a blotch there. I tried to use the Soft 99 cleaner wax and some elbow grease but to no avail.

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When I tried to touched it, it sits even with the paint surface but if you shine light at an angle, you can clearly see that it's slightly bulged.

What the hell is this tree sap =(((
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Try claying it.

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