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post Apr 6 2016, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Mar 31 2016, 07:00 PM)
Sonax BSD and TW ICE Paste wax is super sleek and smooth. Can't even place my phone (with TPU back cover) on the hood. Easy to dust off and wipe dry.
Sonax Polymer Netshield on the other hand is tacky/grippy. I don't really like it. I will try to top up a layer of BSD or ICE on my next test and see how it feels.
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Sonax BSD is not slippery or smooth compared to the commonly used waxes/sealants like Meguairs, FK, Collinite. It feels tacky by comparison.
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post Jun 13 2016, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jun 13 2016, 11:46 AM)
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Paste wax is meant for hand application. Liquid wax is designed to use on machine.
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No, paste waxes can be used for machines, it just inconvenient because the pad might have to be removed or could be too large to fit the can. Liquid waxes/polishes can be used for hand application.
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post Jun 13 2016, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(qboy123 @ Jun 13 2016, 02:38 PM)
I really no expert in this, what wax will not attract dirty? Cleaner wax? Any recommendation?

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It doesn't depend on whether the wax is paste/liquid. The term cleaner wax means the wax also has some mild polish in it mainly to remove light amounts of dirt.

Some waxes feel oily and use silicone which could get more dust to stick.
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post Jun 20 2016, 11:32 AM

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Has anyone tried Gyeon cure (available through Waregem)? Its supposed to be similar to Carpro Reload which isn't available for retail here.
The specs for Gyeon cure's durability(6wks) are about the same as Reload 2013, and Reload had improved versions in 2014, 2015 (12wks).

I found out that with BSD, the flat surfaces collect dirt even if I wash regularly. Water beading isn't the same as protection in BSD's case. BSD was meant as a topper for Sonax coating where it probably works much better and doesn't work for me as a standalone.
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post Jun 20 2016, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jun 20 2016, 04:33 PM)
Heard from him that both are of the same manufacturer. I'm using carpro and absolutely loving it. Especially with car pro essence topped with reload, maximum shine. Both cure and reload also contains sio2.

I am not sure about gyeon cure, but carpro reload too collects dirts, compared to synthetic wax, definitely less and have since stopped using wax.
durability wise....12 weeks hard to achieve...imo.
2 months yes. 3 months...maybe? I would have "reload my reload" on the 6th weeks.
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I did some searching and found that the Gyeon spray on sealant is similar to reload and is generally well reviewed. Another similar locally available product is Tacystem quartz max (also Korean) https://kalexcardetailing.blogspot.my/
Fireball looks like the newest brand coming out. I wish the TS would compile these names/links to make it easier for people to search/buy products.

From what I read, Carpro has had problem with Korean companies who oem for them ripping off their products and Gyeon is one of them.

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post Jun 22 2016, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jun 21 2016, 11:55 AM)
It's common...contract manufacturer will always take advantage of that. They wouldn't want to solely depend on one customer. unless you have huge volume of orders that allows you to sign exclusivity, they always rip you off.
Or just buy enough stake of that company and get their own ass protected. They have RnD to adhere to and to fund.

It's good for us as customer though. But carpro only waxson malaysia carries it and they are selling it at rates my wallet would have to puasa with fellow malaysians.
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I surprised you got anything out of Wankson, he gave me the runaround 2 years ago with no stock excuse, have to wait, not for retail etc.

I doubt Korean companies did any of the RnD, they were just the oem iirc.


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post Jul 16 2016, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(hockwei123456 @ Jul 15 2016, 10:57 PM)
I just wanna wax my car, use hand or machine better?
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Waxing by hand is fine because its not too much work unless you're doing several cars at once.
Cleaning/polishing on the other hand is exhausting and a machine helps.
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post Jul 16 2016, 04:31 PM

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I'd like some advice on waxing "painted trim" parts on older cars. The trim seems to soak up polish and wax. The wax protection on the trim doesn't seem to last as long as other parts of the car as well.


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post Jul 26 2016, 08:21 PM

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I can't find the normal cotton pads I used to buy anymore. Is there a local retailer for hand polishing pads like these?
http://www.autogeek.net/ccs-foam-hand-applicators.html
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/accessories/...or/prod_280.htm
Osren sells Lake country pads but I think they don't do shipping.

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post Jul 26 2016, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(Sanity @ Jul 26 2016, 08:01 PM)
Yea a lot of str was used as I have never used Meguiar Scratch X 2.0 before or had any knowledge of the consequences of using this product. Newbie here. It started off with a deep scratch. The product is performing well to minimise the scratch but i overdone it.

The car is the latest civic. Kinda sad but oh well....
Thx again to those who have advised me!
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How did you apply the scratchx 2.0? Its less abrasive compared to ultimate compound and you shouldn't normally be able to rub through the clearcoat.
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post Jul 28 2016, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Sanity @ Jul 26 2016, 11:57 PM)
I used meguiar's applicator pad and just rubbed on the scratch.
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Strange. I've used ultimate compound with the yellow applicator pads and it still takes some effort to remove water spots by hand.
This video shows how to remove a scratch using sandpaper, meguiars polishes.
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post Jul 28 2016, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Jul 27 2016, 07:40 PM)
To use IPA or not to use IPA? That is the question. Haha.
I'd follow Mike's suggestion.
To inspect defect removal - IPA to strip
For coating - IPA to strip
Sealant & wax - no IPA unless stated by manufacturer
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That sounds right since many sealants/waxes that are in some solvent base anyway so its pointless to wipe down with ipa only to apply a product like FK1000 which contains alot of petroleum solvent.

What about sio based sealants like reload/gyeon cure/fireball coat? Do you normally wipe down with ipa after polishing (before applying the lsp)?

And do you know where to get hand polishing pads which I was asking in my earlier post?


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post Jul 31 2016, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Jul 29 2016, 03:59 PM)
Just my 2 sen.
If you look at the price of coating charged by those "professional", you can basically repaint the whole car. And coating last like a year or 2 maybe?
I don't know but I am still skeptical in coating? 9H hardness? It's just pencil hardness but most claimed to be glass or diamond!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil#Gradin..._classification

It is a pity, the author of this blog did not update the results for this test: https://wetshine.net/2011/06/09/mega-coatin...st-application/
But he did reply in the comments:
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Anyhow, this could be out-dated with better and newer coatings. Maybe others could share their thoughts?
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Yes pencil hardness is not the same as the mohs scale. Theres a product at Kalex (Keho) which had 'reduced watermark tech'. No idea how good it is.

QUOTE(chong1228 @ Jul 31 2016, 02:46 AM)
Hey guys, anyone here done for coating?
Doing research for making coat for my car.
Seirra Glow SG-5 with warranty 5 years / Pomponazzi 880-X with warranty 3 years. Price same for both.
Which one is better? Or anyone has done from either these 2 above? Thanks.
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Theres old threads about coatings like Sierra glow. Never tried it myself because of the high price and waterspotting issue. There might be restrictions on what sort of maintenance you can do post-coating within the warranty period eg no polishing.
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post Aug 2 2016, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(red-queen @ Jul 31 2016, 11:30 PM)
anyone know where i can purchase menzerna and valetpro products around pj area?

looking for menzerna jescar power lock polymer sealant and valetpro bilberry wheel cleaner. thanks!
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There are longer lasting and easier to apply products available locally compared to powerlock.
Duragloss 101/105 is similar to powerlock and is available retail through their local distributor and lelong.
The better products are:
Optiseal (detailien) - spray on, no need to buff off, just as durable.
Gyeon cure (waregem)/Fireball coat (check facebook) are spray on products and silica/glass based so should last longer. Very similar to Carpro reload. I'm testing fireball coat right now.

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post Aug 4 2016, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Aug 2 2016, 11:18 AM)
Fireball Ultimate Coating Wax can last about 1 month-ish, according to the seller.
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1 month would be a disappointment unless the seller was giving a more realistic estimate based on local weather + pollution.
The new versions of carpro reload has considerably better durability. I came across reviews which state the new reload has considerably better durability compared to hydro2.
https://youtu.be/YG3SRus2WSQ
https://youtu.be/7aIT2PF3HKM

The official gyeon cure info states that cure (reload/fb coat copy) has only 1/2 the durability of gyeon wetcoat (hydro2 copy) despite having more sio2% but the consumption per application might have something to do with it (30ml for cure vs 100ml for wetcoat)
http://www.gyeonquartz.com/product-guide/q2m-cure


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post Aug 6 2016, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 3 2016, 03:18 PM)
I am not sure if these links have been posted here before. These two massive wax and sealant comparison by a UK detailer have been my standard references. They are old threads but I have not seen any other person doing comparison in such a massive scale.

Biggest sealant test ever
Biggest wax test ever
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I don't think the big sealant/wax testing was conducted properly. The lower panels take the most beating from road spray and rubbing from people leaning on the bus when its stationary. Its no wonder that collinite 476 was one of the first to fail but the less durable 915 lasted throughout. EGP/SRP is good but its really old and Collinite 476 is well known for being more durable.

QUOTE(red-queen @ Aug 5 2016, 11:10 PM)
msg-ed duragloss malaysia on their fb but no reply. checked on lelong no Duragloss 105 available as well.

any idea where i can get a bottle of duragloss 105?
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Call the Duragloss PJ office number or email.
http://my393732.panpages.my
It used to be sold in Fan Lian Herbs and pasaraya megaherbs.
http://autoworld.com.my/forum/index.php?/t...ck-here/page-17
If they are out of business, maddetailer's website says they are the exclusive distributor for Sing-Indon-Msia.
http://www.maddetailer.com/product-categor...ve-coating.html

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post Aug 6 2016, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Aug 6 2016, 08:47 PM)
Hi All,
Want to ask. This evening i was washing my car and i saw some possibly stbboorn tar/black residue sticking on my car. So i take my wet cloth and rub it trying to get it out. Was pressing quite hard.

Now there is a spot lighter , about the size of a 50 cent. Not reflective anyore. Dull.
Did i eat through the clear coat?

If i did, can i use a clearcoat meant for touch up to swab through it to apply a new clear coat?
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Use a tar remover product first since its probably smeared tar that makes the paint look dull. Highly unlikely that the clear coat could come off by using a wet cloth.
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post Aug 19 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Sanity @ Aug 17 2016, 11:23 AM)
Is formula 1 premium liquid wax a good product? how does it compare to formula 1 paste wax? Can it last say more than 6 months?

I am looking for a decent wax...
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F1 wax is not advertised as a durable sealant so its not going to last long. Autoglym EGP is good but its old and outclassed by newer products in terms of durabillity. There was an earlier post to a durability test a few pages back that was flawed (see my earlier post) which overrated EGP above better products.

Collinite 476, FK1000p are good, I think Collinite is probably more durable. An all-on-one durable mild polish/sealant like permaglass which is locally available in Acehardware might work for you too.
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post Aug 20 2016, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 19 2016, 02:30 PM)
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Regarding the "overrated EGP" I believe you are referring to my earlier post on a UK car detailer's sealant and wax test. And the test vehicle is not a bus but a horse box. That was done 8 years ago. I have not seen others doing such comprehensive test since then.

Sealant test
Wax test

Now, there is this guy, interesting
The best wax sealant (jump to 9.18 as his video is long)
The best wax sealant part 2
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Whether its a horsebox or combination horsebox motorhome, all my earlier comments still apply.
I've already commented earlier in the thread that the biggest sealant/wax tests are flawed which affected the results. Its not a coincidence that winners in the tests tend to be the ones near or at the top most sections. Some of the results that I found questionable was Collinite 915, 845 beating out 476, 915 lasting the longest of the Collinite bunch, low carnauba content show car wax (Onyx) lasting longer than durable sealants.

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post Aug 20 2016, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(kitleon81 @ Aug 19 2016, 10:56 AM)
Indeed in our weather, they won't last that long without some maintenance like spray waxes or spray coating. With the volume of rain we have to deal with even the best wax or coating cannot stop water stains from getting on your car and regular washing is required to keep your ride clean. After going through various waxes, sealants and spray waxes, I now go for the quickest high quality spray coating I can find (does not contain petroleum distillates, so I don't have to deal with streaking on a black car):Sensha Fine Crystal , and apply it fortnightly after washing.
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I've never seen that Sensha product before. There doesn't seem to be alot of info on the website. If the product has to be applied every fortnight, it doesn't sound as durable as comparable glass type spray on sealants or its just a watered version.

QUOTE(supersimple123 @ Aug 19 2016, 06:41 PM)
Where can i find this Collinite 476? Will try it out =)
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Ship it from US or buy it locally from waregem.
Collinite 476 and the Megs ultimate liquid/paste wax you are using has no abrasives, so its not going to be any different from what you are doing now.
A polish is still needed to remove defects like swirls. I use a mild polish to remove dirt and old wax/sealants when the old wax is in poor condition although some prefer something milder like a paint cleaner.

If you use something like a cleaner-wax, it is a combination polish-wax so there will be a layer of wax left on top which is not what you want when you use collinite 476. No point applying collinite over a less durable underlying layer unless you like the look of that layering.

I don't use paint cleaner when putting down a fresh layer of wax/sealant when the condition of the old wax is good which is why a long lasting sealant like collinite is good, because you don't have to polish every month, just need to slap on a new layer of wax.


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