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Investment THE PARK 2 @ PAVILION BUKIT JALIL [OWNERS' THREAD], Malton to launch Final Phase of BJC

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post Aug 7 2022, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 7 2022, 01:14 PM)
What are you even talking about??

I'm just giving you an example of what is typically construed as "luxury" when it comes to high rise living...

Pavilion Residence is always one of the project that comes to mind for most people because you know... it is literally one of the top 5 most expensive project in Malaysia PSF... I could also mention Ritz-Carlton Residence... Bayan Tree... those are all luxury projects...

You argued about "Spec" and "Design".... you do know luxury apartment uses italian marble flooring... bespoke tiles... and luxury branded fittings right??

Park 2 or Park Residence specs are by no means rumawhip or low end but it isn't luxury.... if you think laminated wood flooring... regular tiles... bravat toilet fittings... are luxury... then project like Lot 15 which uses Engineered Timber... granite tiles... TOTO toilet fittings (very high end fittings)... overall 300+ units with majority smaller units means Lot 15 is a super luxury project then??? In Lot 15 thread... I don't even see anyone.. even the owners dare claim it is a luxury project...hack... even projects like Setia Sky Seputeh where the cheapest unit starts at RM2mil... you also don't see them boasting about luxury like the pretentious owners of the park bukit jalil projects... which they often highlight that their projects are very grand... very luxury... as if someone who had never actually seen real luxury...
Again.. I am not comparing... I'm just saying what projects are deemed luxury and what is just pure owner's delusion...
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Engineered timber not many place use. TRX office tower some tenants use it for their floor. Quite nice. Alot better than laminated flooring.

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post Aug 7 2022, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(wotpian @ Aug 7 2022, 02:31 PM)
Engineered timber not many place use. TRX office tower some tenants use it for their floor. Quite nice. Alot better than laminated flooring.
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Cause Engineered Timber are much more expensive than laminated... nearly triple the price...

Basically when it comes to wood flooring the quality and cost is as follows :

Hard/Solid Wood -> Engineered Timber -> Bamboo Wood -> Parquet Wood -> Vinyl -> Laminated wood

Laminated wood flooring is basically entry level wood flooring.... which made from particleboard wood and mimics wood... basically the least amount of real wood material to disguise as wood flooring..


A lot of service apartment uses laminated wood these days... cheap and gives it the expensive feel and look but actually not expensive or luxury...
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post Aug 7 2022, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(History1999 @ Aug 7 2022, 01:21 PM)
Good one, kinda like. But I think only the tip top one in klcc is merc, many others is honda city.
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I guess you finally got what most people are trying to say...

Pavillion Residence... Ritz-Carlton... Bayan Tree etc... is like Merc

The rest like Park 2... Park Residences... are Honda City...

Honda City by no means cheap.. like Rumawhip Axia Level... or Ryan and Miho Myvi level... but it is no where near luxury either...
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post Aug 7 2022, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 7 2022, 02:45 PM)
I guess you finally got what most people are trying to say...

Pavillion Residence... Ritz-Carlton... Bayan Tree etc... is like Merc

The rest like Park 2... Park Residences... are Honda City...

Honda City by no means cheap.. like Rumawhip Axia Level... or Ryan and Miho Myvi level... but it is no where near luxury either...
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We can't say ferrarx is not luxury, rolx roycx is luxury. That is y we can't compare the park with tip top klcc condo. The park selling 1000psft no doubt being one of the highest end condo in sub KL and selangor, it is luxury. Imagine if the park build at klcc area, the selling price worth much more than 1000psft.

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post Aug 7 2022, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(History1999 @ Aug 7 2022, 03:30 PM)
We can't say ferrarx is not luxury, rolx roycx is luxury. That is y we can't compare the park with tip top klcc condo. The park selling 1000psft no doubt being one of the highest end condo in sub KL and selangor, it is luxury. Imagine if the park build at klcc area, the selling price worth much more than 1000psft.
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The Park 2 wasn't selling at 1000psf.... when it was first launch it is only 800+ net price... if you are referring to the current property guru price then you must have very little knowledge on real estate if you think immediate VP inflated price (seller selling at SPA price or higher) is what it is worth...

If you think it is a luxury property in bukit jalil... then so be it... if it makes you happy...

All I wanted to say is... it ain't a luxury project... at best it is above average service apartment....

"Highest end" condo in sub KL and Selangor is a bold statement... like I said... Setia Sky Seputeh... which is at Seputeh not KLCC which you don't want to be compared to... starts at RM2mil cheapest unit... that is no doubt a luxury project...

And as mentioned before... if you are talking about Building Spec... Park 2 is far inferior compared to Lot 15... which is located at Subang not KLCC....

If Park 2 with such high 1k unit density + typical specs could be considered Luxury.... Lot 15 is a super luxury in whole of Selangor then...

thanks for the laugh laugh.gif laugh.gif...

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post Aug 7 2022, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 7 2022, 04:25 PM)
The Park 2 wasn't selling at 1000psf.... when it was first launch it is only 800+ net price... if you are referring to the current property guru price then you must have very little knowledge on real estate if you think immediate VP inflated price (seller selling at SPA price or higher) is what it is worth...

If you think it is a luxury property in bukit jalil... then so be it... if it makes you happy...

All I wanted to say is... it ain't a luxury project... at best it is above average service apartment.... 

"Highest end" condo in sub KL and Selangor is a bold statement... like I said... Setia Sky Seputeh... which is at Seputeh not KLCC which you don't want to be compared to... starts at RM2mil cheapest unit... that is no doubt a luxury project...

And as mentioned before... if you are talking about Building Spec... Park 2 is far inferior compared to Lot 15... which is located at Subang not KLCC....  

If Park 2 with such high 1k unit density + typical specs could be considered Luxury.... Lot 15 is a super luxury in whole of Selangor then...

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There are buyers who willing to pay the park 950k for 2 bedrooms 957sf now. I don't surprice that you do not know it as you are not from this field.

Setia sky seputeh 2M is selling for more than 2k sf, thus your statement is very mislead.

Im surprise you think lot 15 is spec is better than park 2. The park 2 design, facilities etc are much better and nicer. They are not in the same range in my eyes. That is y u need to make a visit to park 2.

Park 2 total unit is 700+ unit if not mistaken, but not 1k unit as wat u memtioned. But density is not a point to define luxury since years ago, as developer likes build more units even for luxury condo, especially for limited prime location.

Somehow I felt u were giving lots mislead info. Anyway good luck to u.

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post Aug 7 2022, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(History1999 @ Aug 7 2022, 04:56 PM)
There are buyers who willing to pay the park 950k for 2 bedrooms 957sf now. I don't surprice that you do not know it as you are not from this field.

Setia sky seputeh 2M is selling for more than 2k sf, thus your statement is very mislead.

Im surprise you think lot 15 is spec is better than park 2. The park 2 design, facilities etc are much better and nicer. They are not in the same range in my eyes. That is y u need to make a visit to park 2.

Park 2 total unit is 700+ unit if not mistaken, but not 1k unit as wat u memtioned. But density is not a point to define luxury since years ago, as developer likes build more units even for luxury condo, especially for limited prime location.

Somehow I felt u were giving lots mislead info. Anyway good luck to u.
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Now you are just borderline delusional...

If you think setia sky sputeh... a project where the cheapest unit cost RM2m is not a luxury project but the park projects in bukit jalil is... then by all means continue living in your Pareidolia world...

Lot 15 is not considered luxury by any means especially comparing to true high end luxury apartments with italian marble flooring but it is definitely higher spec than Park 2 and I've already highlighted the points... not sure why you are surprise that I am saying Lot 15 spec is better... either you didn't read my post or just try to ignore everything...

Park 2 total unit is 700+... my mistake on that... I've mixed up Park residence which is the one with 1k units and Park 2 unit count... at least I am willing to admit my mistake...


You constantly deny everything and insist on your world view... then OK la.. let you win... Park 2 and Park residence is the highest spec.. most luxury project in the WORLD.... your laminated floor is actually oakwood layered with pure gold... your porcelain tiles are actually marbel made from moonstone... if you want to be pretentious about it... good for you.. at least you are happy with your purchase...


Not going to argue with you on this anymore cause you could literally just say your property is the best... better than setia sky seputeh... better than lot 15.. better than Ritz-carlton... better than the palace...

Thanks for the laugh though... park projects in bukit jalil... highest end in selangor/KL.... what a joke laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Aug 7 2022, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(History1999 @ Aug 7 2022, 01:21 PM)
Good one, kinda like. But I think only the tip top one in klcc is mercz, many others is hondax cityx.
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So u prefer quality or quantity? Haha LoL
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Haha. Such a catty tiff.

Well my impression of this building is that it’s maybe an upper mid build. So funny that people have to bleat out about the superiority of their unit. That’s some real insecurity there.

Nowadays 1k psf in KV particularly new builds doesn’t really mean it’s that atas.
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 7 2022, 05:20 PM)
Now you are just borderline delusional...

If you think setia sky sputeh... a project where the cheapest unit cost RM2m is not a luxury project but the park projects in bukit jalil is... then by all means continue living in your Pareidolia world...

Lot 15 is not considered luxury by any means especially comparing to true high end luxury apartments with italian marble flooring but it is definitely higher spec than Park 2 and I've already highlighted the points... not sure why you are surprise that I am saying Lot 15 spec is better... either you didn't read my post or just try to ignore everything...

Park 2 total unit is 700+... my mistake on that... I've mixed up Park residence which is the one with 1k units and Park 2 unit count... at least I am willing to admit my mistake...
You constantly deny everything and insist on your world view... then OK la.. let you win... Park 2 and Park residence is the highest spec.. most luxury project in the WORLD.... your laminated floor is actually oakwood layered with pure gold... your porcelain tiles are actually marbel made from moonstone... if you want to be pretentious about it... good for you.. at least you are happy with your purchase...
Not going to argue with you on this anymore cause you could literally just say your property is the best... better than setia sky seputeh... better than lot 15.. better than Ritz-carlton... better than the palace...

Thanks for the laugh though... park projects in bukit jalil... highest end in selangor/KL.... what a joke  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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get a life dude...other ppl dont agree then so be it. why keep on impressing your own point of view upon others
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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Aug 7 2022, 11:03 PM)
Haha. Such a catty tiff.

Well my impression of this building is that it’s maybe an upper mid build. So funny that people have to bleat out about the superiority of their unit. That’s some real insecurity there.

Nowadays 1k psf in KV particularly new builds doesn’t really mean it’s that atas.
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Agree with what you've said.

I notice quite a number of Park 2 and Park Sky Residence owners are quite insecure about their property and felt the need to inflate their ego. Like many have said in this thread, from a pricing perspective, these 2 properties are considered middle upper, nothing to shout about.

That one guy saying that these 2 projects are the highest end in Selangor and Sub KL is ridiculous. Any recent projects in desa park city, MK, damansara, PJ, or even Bangsar area could easily one up these 2 projects.

Honestly speaking, the only attractive part about these 2 projects are its masterplan and the connectivity. Other than that, it is just a typical middle upper class Service Apartment with slightly above average level specfications.

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QUOTE(MalcomShorten @ Aug 7 2022, 11:52 PM)
Agree with what you've said.

I notice quite a number of Park 2 and Park Sky Residence owners are quite insecure about their property and felt the need to inflate their ego. Like many have said in this thread, from a pricing perspective, these 2 properties are considered middle upper, nothing to shout about.

That one guy saying that these 2 projects are the highest end in Selangor and Sub KL is ridiculous. Any recent projects in desa park city, MK, damansara, PJ, or even Bangsar area could easily one up these 2 projects.

Honestly speaking, the only attractive part about these 2 projects are its masterplan and the connectivity. Other than that, it is just a typical middle upper class Service Apartment with slightly above average level specfications.
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Yea property particularly their valuation rests on the general perception of multiple things including location, build quality and SES status of residents.

So if one is deluded about the real world perception then most likely you will overpay or the property will simply not work as an investment and dash your expectations.

There’s power in trying to understand view points beyond your own.

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 6 2022, 08:15 PM)
Neither are luxury...

Luxury projects do not have such high density...

Also... 800+ psf is luxury??? then those 1k++ psf are what?? even Lot 15 and Atwater are more expensive than the Park 2 or Park Sky Residence if you talk about price per square feet...

Setia Sky Seputeh where cheapest unit starts at RM2mil is what level??

Those 3-4k+ psf like Pavilion residences in KL or those KLCC area projects are what level??
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None of the condos you mentioned are luxury. Indeed, there is no luxury condo in Malaysia. If you want a luxury condo, you can only find one in Singapore:
Wallich Residence S$73.8 million
Reflections @ Keppel Bay S$68 million
Sculptura Ardmore S$60 million

BTW, you staying in which flat or apartment?
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Why still want to argue luxury ke tak luxury, got point meh?
Some people see Prada as luxury brand, but those who own Chanel might think Prada is just normal. And some who own none of them will say aiya, all these mana luxury, itu Hermes few hundred k satu only can be considered luxury.

Everyone also has their own definition luxury. Property agents punya measurement very senang, all also they call luxury. "Affordable luxury condo in Kepong, from 4xx,xxx" sounds familiar to you?

We often mix up luxury vs high end. Park Sky/Park 2 can be considered as highest end condo in BJ la, 1k psf now, and also SkyLuxe. But are they luxury? nimo
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QUOTE(hi54088 @ Aug 8 2022, 02:54 PM)
None of the condos you mentioned are luxury. Indeed, there is no luxury condo in Malaysia. If you want a luxury condo, you can only find one in Singapore:
Wallich Residence S$73.8 million
Reflections @ Keppel Bay S$68 million
Sculptura Ardmore S$60 million

BTW, you staying in which flat or apartment?
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Wallich Residence doesn't cost 73.8mil... unless you are talking about occupying half the building... unit price starts at SGD2mil...


Also.. bear in mind property price in Singapore is expensive... many in SG deem living in private condo is already luxury as majority of the working class and white collar job worker still stays at HDB..


Clearly you have no idea what luxury meant and just talking out of your arse....


If Pavilion Residence ain't luxury... you think Najib would want a unit there...

Setia Sky Seputeh is luxury because it starts at RM2mil.. pretty sure even most well to do high ranking worker at MNC can't even afford a unit and is pretty much would cost a upper middle class person their entire life + EPF savings just to get a unit... THAT is luxury... something most likely T1 of Malaysia could afford..

Any tom dick and harry could afford the park projects @ bukit jalil hence I have no idea why the owners are so uptight as if they are the only one rich enough to buy the property.... my nephew also bought a 800sqf+ unit at the park sky residence with early bird discount without even the need for 5 figure salary...


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QUOTE(Fat3Twister @ Aug 8 2022, 03:19 PM)
Why still want to argue luxury ke tak luxury, got point meh?
Some people see Prada as luxury brand, but those who own Chanel might think Prada is just normal. And some who own none of them will say aiya, all these mana luxury, itu Hermes few hundred k satu only can be considered luxury.

Everyone also has their own definition luxury. Property agents punya measurement very senang, all also they call luxury. "Affordable luxury condo in Kepong, from 4xx,xxx" sounds familiar to you?

We often mix up luxury vs high end. Park Sky/Park 2 can be considered as highest end condo in BJ la, 1k psf now, and also SkyLuxe. But are they luxury? nimo
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Definitely in line with your view...

Like I said before... Park projects can be considered highest end in BJ or if you want luxury project in BJ....

But I think the property buyers want people to know that they are somehow very high class... best in Selangor and KL... really WTF lo



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QUOTE(xlss @ Aug 7 2022, 11:31 PM)
get a life dude...other ppl dont agree then so be it. why keep on impressing your own point of view upon others
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The word you are looking for is imposing not impressing..

I did not impose my point of view on others... just merely state what "I THINK" is luxury...

when people got defensive... I just elaborated my point of view... but I guess the owners surely just want to hear sweet words.... hoping that others would just be like "YEAH YOU ARE 100% RIGHT... PARK RESIDENCE BJCC is BEST IN THE WORLD"...

Sorry lo... I'm just stating facts....

If these projects are really high end and really luxury that only really wealthy people could afford like Setia Sky... Pavilion Residence... Ritz-carlton residence... then ok lo... hard to refute and their specs are indeed insanely luxurious with italian marble and top notch fittings...

But you are talking about the park projects where spec and fittings also lose out to properties like Lot 15...Atwater...OPUS KL ... where the specs are TOTO bathroom fittings... Engineered Timber... Niro Tiles... Granite flooring... while Park projects only uses middle end brand bathroom fittings... laminated wood... porcelain tiles etc...how to even compete with those actual luxury one like Setia Sky Seputeh or even new properties at Mont Kiara...


Bottomline.... not saying these projects are low end or cheap like Rumawhip.... but as mentioned many times... it ain't highest end in Selangor or KL but maybe just in BJ area...

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 8 2022, 03:56 PM)
The word you are looking for is imposing not impressing..

I did not impose my point of view on others... just merely state what "I THINK" is luxury...

when people got defensive... I just elaborated my point of view... but I guess the owners surely just want to hear sweet words.... hoping that others would just be like "YEAH YOU ARE 100% RIGHT... PARK RESIDENCE BJCC is BEST IN THE WORLD"...

Sorry lo... I'm just stating facts....

If these projects are really high end and really luxury that only really wealthy people could afford like Setia Sky... Pavilion Residence... Ritz-carlton residence... then ok lo... hard to refute and their specs are indeed insanely luxurious with italian marble and top notch fittings...

But you are talking about the park projects where spec and fittings also lose out to  properties like Lot 15...Atwater...OPUS KL ... where the specs are TOTO bathroom fittings... Engineered Timber... Niro Tiles... Granite flooring... while Park projects only uses middle end brand bathroom fittings... laminated wood... porcelain tiles etc...how to even compete with those actual luxury one like Setia Sky Seputeh or even new properties at Mont Kiara...
Bottomline.... not saying these projects are low end or cheap like Rumawhip.... but as mentioned many times... it ain't highest end in Selangor or KL but maybe just in BJ area...
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QUOTE(xlss @ Aug 8 2022, 06:34 PM)
get a life dude  wink.gif cheers
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thanks for your advice...

In return... I would advise you to get a new property if you want luxury... stop being so pathetic trying to beat a dead horse... stop living in a Pareidolia world icon_rolleyes.gif thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 8 2022, 06:38 PM)
thanks for your advice...

In return... I would advise you to get a new property if you want luxury... stop being so pathetic trying to beat a dead horse... stop living in a Pareidolia world  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbsup.gif
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ALL OF YOU also REALLY funny arguing the term and definition of "luxury"

If you really wanna compare luxury properties in the world, Malaysia is in no ranking at ALL.

Even BKK properties are way more luxury than any high end properties in Msia.

And sorry to say that even DPC the best living place in KL is nowhere close to properties in BKK/SG

Price, location isn't the factor determine the term luxury guys. It's the finishing of the end product and of course material being use also part of that.

As for the PARK I would say it's good for now, investors as the valuation has achieved close to 1k psf from early launch about 650 psf?

As for Malaysia standard, it's deem good property already, alot of u i must say is feeling sour as most of u don't own a unit there, the topic is actually owners vs keyboard warriors, u dont want lose n i dont want u to step on my property.

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