Noted 😋 thank you...one more doubt pre amp is for more better music output its like avr connected to pre amp

This post has been edited by sivanathan04: May 20 2016, 05:20 AM

What's your budget and usage ?

Budget is around 4k,can go max 5k for speakers. For HT usage only. Planning to add svs pb1000 later on, but not sure whether I should get cheaper speakers and bought the sub within that budget.

Yes that's the thing. If possible, I don't want to pour so much money, lol. For rm2k plus with xls encore, it's definitely a good buy if they can rival the other expensive speakers.

If that is the case SVS will be a good choice for HT purpose

hi bro,i think svs ultra bookshelf is best upgrade from wharfedale,but is out of budget to get matching center together

denon user here

Thanks for the suggestion, I'm trying to get a very good center channel first as I find my current center is lacking. Then slowly upgrade the left right and adding in sub. I knew the svs ultra bookshelf has many good review and it's not cheap but is the svs ultra center is very good as well for its price?

Its not all about music..

A pre / processor oso leaves de hard work of powering the spkrs to the power amps.. I run a Marantz 7002 with a Rotel pwr amp n even thou on paper my amp outputs only 100 wts / channel while my supposedly more powerful avr , at [ l tink , forget liao.. ] 130.. my spkrs still sing.. heck l personally tink its more all rounded as in its got more heft at midrange..
Wat l am trying to say is tat avr power figures are best considered wif a grain of salt - power amp figures on the other hand is more trustworthy.. so look for a pre function for ur avr instead of being tied dwn wif one tat is wifout..


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A pre/pro is simply just that, a pre-amp and processor. It doesn't power the speakers.
An external power amp is usually connected to a pre/pro so that all an amp will do is drive the speakers and nothing else. The pre/pro handles all the signal processing, decoding, video passthrough and so on.

A pre/pro + power amp setup is usually the best way to driver power into the speakers. As already explained by bro dirtrun, the power specs on receivers these days are mostly bs marketing. Receiver companies love to inflate numbers by rating the power handling at ridiculously high THD or at low impedance, and in Onkyo's case, rate it at 1 channel driven because bigger number = better right???!

Then they have all these stupid specs like PMPO or JEITA (yeah Yamaha, looking at you) which makes absolutely zero sense.

At the end of the day, once you get to a certain decent wattage, it is difficult to go higher to get more volume. Example, if a 100w per channel amp can drive a speaker up to 85db output and peaks of 110db, it'll take more than TWICE the power just get another +3db. Volume is not linear, it's logarithmic.

So don't be too invested into the whole power ratings game on receivers. A receiver with 100w into 2 channels at 8ohms, under 0.010% THD isn't going to sound louder at all in comparison to an 80w into 2 channels receiver. 20w is nothing.

The final thing to understand about the power tests done by sites like Sound and Vision. They do full-channel testing which shows certain receivers (particularly Yamaha) having much lower wattage than its competitors. But a full channel test is not a real-world representation of how power is used because there are ZERO movies, games or music that will blast speakers with the same signal for more than a minute. Power is always dynamic, volume is always dynamic.


The ultra center is as good as the bookshelfs, they are equally matched. Same sized drivers, same refined tweeters, a very decent 4" midrange just for the vocals. Best of all, it adheres to the best center channel design which is a 3-way WTMW, off-axis lobing will not be an issue vs the more common MTM design.

You do however will need a decent amount of space for the ultra center, it's dual ported at the back so you're going to want to have a good 2-3 ft. off the wall. It's also pretty hefty, so the use of sturdy stands are recommended.

That said, why not just get a pair of ultra bookshelfs first? Get the center later. I kidd you not, the ultra bookshelfs to my ears are equal and in some aspects better than more expensive well reknnown bookshelfs like the KEF LS50 or the Sonus Faber Venere 1.5. I've compared them for lengthy periods, I always go back to the ultras at the end, phenomenal speakers.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: May 20 2016, 03:40 PM

Yup that's true 😋

Now I understand very detail... Thank you ...i will look for Yamaha rx 479 for now

Thanks for the input. I'll go and demo the svs ultra later.. Seems like this svs is really an excellent speakers. But I don't have big space for HT, the best I can make is about 1.5 ft off the wall.

This post has been edited by barjoyai: May 20 2016, 11:44 PM

Should be okay, just crossover higher than the usual 80hz.

Hi all~ planning to get myself a sound system mainly for console gaming and movies in a small room...but may shift the audio system to living hall in future to upgrade the audio system furthermore~ My budget around RM2000- RM2500 for now...Any suggestion for any type of audio system? (Planning to get soundbar but scare sound quality may not as good as AVR + speaker and is not upgradable)

When you say sound quality what exactly you looking for ?

Looking for sound quality that can produce better surround and bass and clearer dialogue than general HTIB or soundbar that available in the market? Anything that are suitable for gaming and movie purposes will do... Heard that sony RT-5 is a good option for soundbar? Is AVR will be better since im planning to upgrade it in future~

Is better you something now and next time buy new again

ok. quite complete info u given. are u running hdmi device?
yes -pick avr and 5"-6" bookshelf stereo spk given ur budget unable to buy center and surround spk at once. dont worry u wont miss them after proper placement and tuning.

no -maybe a mini stereo receiver from cambridge one or denon ceol enough.

both type can add sub in the future.

Yes im running mostly hdmi device~ ~ Any recommended bookshelf and avr ? Prefer new models if can

Yamaha coming with new models. Try XLS encore for speaker or q acoustic