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barjoyai
post May 19 2016, 06:46 PM

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I've been monitoring this thread for quite some time and thanks to all here for the good info. I myself is in my way to upgrade my home theater speakers as I ventured into HT 3, 4 years ago. As we all know that KLIAV 2016 is just around the corner, I would like to have some suggestions and recommendations of speaker packages, so I can have a shortlist of speakers that I can look out during the show. I depend totally on forums and internet review; I bought stuffs based on Whathifi award, LOL. As a beginner myself, now only I realized that center speaker is very important; previously I bought a 3.0 setup with Wharfedale 10.2 and Wharfedale 10cs connected to Yamaha RX-A810. I just bought the center so that i have a center channel and it's cheap, tongue.gif but after times, now I know it lacks clarity and positioning. Now that I have changed the Wharfedale 10.2 to Wharfedale 121, I think they sound worse and is like didn't match each other, sweat.gif
Now that if I have a budget of rm4k-5k for a new left right and center speakers, what good speaker package can I have that can be considered a significant upgrade? i'm thinking of SVS prime/ultra line, B&W 685 series, Q acoustics line (but as far i remembered, they sound a little thin). I am also considering the XLS encore setup but not sure whether it's a good upgrade or not as no place to demo.
barjoyai
post May 19 2016, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ May 19 2016, 10:12 PM)
here sifu all big room... will need high power avr to fill up.
im one of the mismatch center channel setup. calibrate with manual eq can help. put higher crossover to weakest link. sometimes block the bass port of wharfedale can gain some difference

if wanna upgrade im attracted by bower wilkin and mon audio.
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Hurmm, the left right bookshelf is a down firing bass, while the center is rear ported.
Which b&w series and monitor audio series are u talking about?
I think I remembered hearing the monitor audio silver series 2 years back, I liked its treble, very sparkle
barjoyai
post May 19 2016, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 19 2016, 09:46 PM)
You can audition q acoustic, XLS and SVS in acoustic system amcorp mall. B&W is in Jaya one. Really should go for a listen than to know.
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Owh, got xls in demo there? Thanks for the info. Anyway, do you have any suggestions?
barjoyai
post May 20 2016, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 20 2016, 07:13 AM)
What's your budget and usage ?
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Budget is around 4k,can go max 5k for speakers. For HT usage only. Planning to add svs pb1000 later on, but not sure whether I should get cheaper speakers and bought the sub within that budget.
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post May 20 2016, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(sivanathan04 @ May 20 2016, 12:54 AM)
Xls encore have good review but im having same problem is it a good buy 😋
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Yes that's the thing. If possible, I don't want to pour so much money, lol. For rm2k plus with xls encore, it's definitely a good buy if they can rival the other expensive speakers.
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post May 20 2016, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(bad2928 @ May 20 2016, 11:03 AM)
hi bro,i think svs ultra bookshelf is best upgrade from wharfedale,but is out of budget to get matching center together
denon user here :thumbsup:
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Thanks for the suggestion, I'm trying to get a very good center channel first as I find my current center is lacking. Then slowly upgrade the left right and adding in sub. I knew the svs ultra bookshelf has many good review and it's not cheap but is the svs ultra center is very good as well for its price?
barjoyai
post May 20 2016, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 20 2016, 01:51 PM)
A pre/pro is simply just that, a pre-amp and processor. It doesn't power the speakers.
An external power amp is usually connected to a pre/pro so that all an amp will do is drive the speakers and nothing else. The pre/pro handles all the signal processing, decoding, video passthrough and so on.

A pre/pro + power amp setup is usually the best way to driver power into the speakers. As already explained by bro dirtrun, the power specs on receivers these days are mostly bs marketing. Receiver companies love to inflate numbers by rating the power handling at ridiculously high THD or at low impedance, and in Onkyo's case, rate it at 1 channel driven because bigger number = better right???!

Then they have all these stupid specs like PMPO or JEITA (yeah Yamaha, looking at you) which makes absolutely zero sense.

At the end of the day, once you get to a certain decent wattage, it is difficult to go higher to get more volume. Example, if a 100w per channel amp can drive a speaker up to 85db output and peaks of 110db, it'll take more than TWICE the power just get another +3db. Volume is not linear, it's logarithmic.

So don't be too invested into the whole power ratings game on receivers. A receiver with 100w into 2 channels at 8ohms, under 0.010% THD isn't going to sound louder at all in comparison to an 80w into 2 channels receiver. 20w is nothing.

The final thing to understand about the power tests done by sites like Sound and Vision. They do full-channel testing which shows certain receivers (particularly Yamaha) having much lower wattage than its competitors. But a full channel test is not a real-world representation of how power is used because there are ZERO movies, games or music that will blast speakers with the same signal for more than a minute. Power is always dynamic, volume is always dynamic.
The ultra center is as good as the bookshelfs, they are equally matched. Same sized drivers, same refined tweeters, a very decent 4" midrange just for the vocals. Best of all, it adheres to the best center channel design which is a 3-way WTMW, off-axis lobing will not be an issue vs the more common MTM design.

You do however will need a decent amount of space for the ultra center, it's dual ported at the back so you're going to want to have a good 2-3 ft. off the wall. It's also pretty hefty, so the use of sturdy stands are recommended.

That said, why not just get a pair of ultra bookshelfs first? Get the center later. I kidd you not, the ultra bookshelfs to my ears are equal and in some aspects better than more expensive well reknnown bookshelfs like the KEF LS50 or the Sonus Faber Venere 1.5. I've compared them for lengthy periods, I always go back to the ultras at the end, phenomenal speakers.
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Thanks for the input. I'll go and demo the svs ultra later.. Seems like this svs is really an excellent speakers. But I don't have big space for HT, the best I can make is about 1.5 ft off the wall.

This post has been edited by barjoyai: May 20 2016, 11:44 PM
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post May 26 2016, 03:19 PM

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Hi again, just a quick question. Is it advisable to use similar speakers for LCR channel? As I browse the net, I found out that many argue reg the horizontally positioned MTM center channel is not the best. How about 3 similar 2 way bookshelf? Any thoughts?
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post Jun 7 2016, 06:05 AM

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Hi guys, opinions needed. My speakers rear side are facing my house wall which divide my house with the other house's lawn. And if from the outside, I can hear the sound leaking to the lawn. It's not really a problem now as the next house is still empty without owner but I'm just being prepared. I planned to install those acoustic foams on the wall to treat the echo/reflections.
And I'm planning to put on curtains on the wall on top of these acoustic foams. My questions;
1. Will the curtains reduce the effectiveness of these acoustic foams as they are now covered with curtains?
2. Will the curtains and foams really help to prevent some sounds from leaking outside to my next house?
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post Jun 7 2016, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 7 2016, 04:28 PM)
1.) Curtains can reduce noise, but they need to be very thick and heavy. An alternative would be to use thick velvet coverings.

2.) Acoustic panels do very little to prevent noise from going through. The function of acoustic panels are to absorb the high and mid range frequency, to reduce fluttering and echoes, NOT soundproof a room.

When you think about it logically, how thick is a piece of acoustic panel? 2 inches? Maybe 4? It cannot stop sound from going through, what stops sound from travelling through a wall is simply MASS weight.
In Malaysia here, the common way to seal a room is to have double bricks wall (maybe even triple). Other than that, people use rockwool to further dampen noise.

Majority of people have the misconception that acoustic panels will prevent sound from leaking. No idea when or where that misconception started, it's one the dumbest myths in the world.
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thanks for the answer. I think i'll put some acoustic foams on the wall and covered them with curtains in the future. Lucky i don't have neighbour yet, lol sweat.gif
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post Jun 8 2016, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 7 2016, 08:35 PM)
Don't bother wasting money if you're going to put the acoustic panels behind the curtains. It does nothing at the point, other than wasting money.
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Thanks for the tip, so the acoustic foams will be no benefit if I'm going to cover them with curtains. Understood.
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post Jun 8 2016, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jun 7 2016, 08:28 PM)
you already did the correct by not facing speaker to shared neighbour wall. find out the volume level that leak to next door badly, then try to avoid going near the volume. sometimes play with eq may lower your listening volume.

acoustic foam or panel will not help in isolating loudness. i got install some to balance out the left--right listening space only. room next to it still have side effect.
if frequently play loud u need apply some stronger barrier
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For the time being, it's still okay as I don't have neighbor yet. I found during action/shooting/explosive scene, the sound leaks loudest. And I haven't bought subwoofer yet. 😅
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post Dec 11 2016, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(hooi @ Dec 8 2016, 11:32 PM)
Anyone tested / have Wharfedale Diamond 10.2?
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I owned them about 2-3 years ago until I changed to wharfedale 121 and wharfedale 230. I like the newer generation better.

 

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