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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) IV, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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post Mar 23 2016, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 23 2016, 05:18 PM)
depends on luck. sometimes there's unit available  icon_rolleyes.gif
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well thats better than last time. probably have to check again.

is there a waiting list or something? maybe they will contact you if available and so on?
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QUOTE(AdrG @ Mar 23 2016, 05:34 PM)
well thats better than last time. probably have to check again.

is there a waiting list or something? maybe they will contact you if available and so on?
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No waiting list. Got units means is yours (whether you have money or not). Based on first come first serve.
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post Mar 23 2016, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(AdrG @ Mar 23 2016, 05:34 PM)
well thats better than last time. probably have to check again.

is there a waiting list or something? maybe they will contact you if available and so on?
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my guess the branch u went, the staff not willing to help / trying to get oscar award ranting.gif

last time? last year? if last year. there's a lot unit available. there's so much units available until most of us went broke / no money to top-up blush.gif
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post Mar 23 2016, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 22 2016, 11:32 PM)
In the world of investment, it is always said that when you are young, you should take on more risky assets, with higher adjusted returns. YOur stocks to bond ratio is around 80% stocks and 20% bond. When age catches up, slowly you move the ratio in the opposite direction. Sometimes I regret that I did not take on more risks when I was younger. I may have made more. Time has gone past now.

If Sgp students can still dig out time to learn investments, then I am really wondering why our Msian students are not able to ?

And finally,.... if you have a chance to earn 11% with monthly payout, then I start to wonder why do you choose to earn only 6.4% with annual payout ? So that you don't need to work hard in order to earn more ?

Well then,... people who do not intend to work harder should not complain if they do not gain more in life, especially when time was on their side when they were young. After time has passed, it will not come back again.

Finally,... I get the message - Msians would rather earn less so as to have an easier life. Perhaps this would be applicable for the older generation, but younger people ?? Middle-aged people ??
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Well, that's my point of view tho. for me at least. you shouldn't generalise all in 1 statement...

You have to understand 1 point. Not every single field works the same! If those studying account finance related or business administration waste their time on not trying on doing investment like you said.... then its really sucks.

On the other hand, take doctor as an example. If HO, no need to say.. Time confirm not enough, they rather sleep, then playing what investment. We take MO as an example. Life as a MO just slightly better than HO. 8 - 5 confirmed. If oncall straight >24 hours. Later post oncall need join ward round. That also depend on what department you are in A and E definitely busy. O and G also sure busy. And the next day 5pm go back rest la. Or writing report, prepare for specialist training... and discussing with consultant. Thing repeats.....

While a more leisure job - teacher. 6 - 2 confirmed. Maybe one of the days 6 - 6 for koko or weekly meeting. Go back around 7, marks paper, prepare lesson plan for next day until 10. Sleep. Now they doing better. Last time under moohy got want online fill up data. need to wait till midnight for server to cool down that even keluar newspaper. Impossible you miss this news. Now that server closed shop already...

I take the 2 jobs above as example because I find them really busy and really time constrain, and yes, they are pretty young too around 24. whats better investment for them? Maybe property? FD? ASX? If they having family... More serious

Well, for student. The Big 3 - Med, Dent, Pharm. I know they really really busy. And hell lot of stuff to study. Don't believe? Ask kkk8787. 8 - 5 confirmed. Make presentation, study, essay writing, case writing, follow up. All takes time. All stress up and I do understand sometime, they go and relax abit via some entertainment...

Who don't want money... Who... For those slack people, lazy people surely wasted. But those are doing the right thing at the right time, persuading their dream, contributing to the community, you cant say them rather earn less so as to have easier life.
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post Mar 23 2016, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 23 2016, 06:01 PM)
my guess the branch u went, the staff not willing to help / trying to get oscar award  ranting.gif

last time? last year?  if last year. there's a lot unit available. there's so much units available until most of us went broke / no money to top-up  blush.gif
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Currently i also facing no money to top up leh....haha
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post Mar 23 2016, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Mar 23 2016, 06:32 PM)
Currently i also facing no money to top up leh....haha
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now no money to top up & also no units available laugh.gif innocent.gif

so 'win - win" situation devil.gif
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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Mar 23 2016, 06:32 PM)
Currently i also facing no money to top up leh....haha
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Don't worry boss. No units also.
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(wu ming @ Mar 23 2016, 07:26 PM)
Don't worry boss. No units also.
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Try next week....hehe... Waiting payment
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Mar 23 2016, 09:30 PM)
Try next week....hehe... Waiting payment
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Awaiting Thr/Fri
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 23 2016, 09:31 PM)
Awaiting Thr/Fri
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Same , next monday outstation first.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 23 2016, 09:31 PM)
Awaiting Thr/Fri
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Can top up ?

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post Mar 23 2016, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(yvonne2016 @ Mar 23 2016, 10:12 PM)
Can top up ?
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Yup
In fact, u can top up anytime
Last day/1st day of each mth top up is to minimize opportunity cost
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QUOTE(yvonne2016 @ Mar 23 2016, 10:12 PM)
Can top up ?
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be reminded that ASM only open on Friday 1st.

ASW & AS1M okay. no problem tongue.gif
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post Mar 23 2016, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 23 2016, 06:10 PM)
Well, that's my point of view tho. for me at least. you shouldn't generalise all in 1 statement...

You have to understand 1 point. Not every single field works the same! If those studying account finance related or business administration waste their time on not trying on doing investment like you said.... then its really sucks.

On the other hand, take doctor as an example. If HO, no need to say.. Time confirm not enough, they rather sleep, then playing what investment. We take MO as an example. Life as a MO just slightly better than HO. 8 - 5 confirmed. If oncall straight >24 hours. Later post oncall need join ward round. That also depend on what department you are in A and E definitely busy. O and G also sure busy. And the next day 5pm go back rest la.  Or writing report, prepare for specialist training... and discussing with consultant. Thing repeats.....

While a more leisure job - teacher. 6 - 2 confirmed. Maybe one of the days 6 - 6 for koko or weekly meeting. Go back around 7, marks paper, prepare lesson plan for next day until 10. Sleep. Now they doing better. Last time under moohy got want online fill up data. need to wait till midnight for server to cool down that even keluar newspaper. Impossible you miss this news. Now that server closed shop already...

I take the 2 jobs above as example because I find them really busy and really time constrain, and yes, they are pretty young too around 24. whats better investment for them? Maybe property? FD? ASX? If they having family... More serious

Well, for student. The Big 3 - Med, Dent, Pharm. I know they really really busy. And hell lot of stuff to study. Don't believe? Ask kkk8787. 8 - 5 confirmed. Make presentation, study, essay writing, case writing, follow up. All takes time. All stress up and I do understand sometime, they go and relax abit via some entertainment...

Who don't want money... Who... For those slack people, lazy people surely wasted. But those are doing the right thing at the right time, persuading their dream, contributing to the community, you cant say them rather earn less so as to have easier life.
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I have seen students in many different fields-of-study attending my talks, learning about investments, in Singapore, that is,... I don't need to go around asking them how they managed to juggle their schedule,.. I generalise,..you're right,.. I generalise with NUS students and other SG university students,... If you have indeed done your study to that level and start to drill down to the different courses and how much time that they probaby have for learning investments, then again I wonder why we have such differences between SG students and our students.

Who don't want money ? I can answer that, those who are willing to earn lesser in order to have lesser work and risks,... those are the people who would prefer to earn less money. But again, there no wrong on that - it's their choice.

However,.......................if the day should come whereby, they wished to earn more but does not have the means to do that anymore, then they should not regret it. Opportunity comes but once in life. And such opportunity normally comes when one is young.

Edited by adding : OR,.. another possible scenario in future is they get fed-up doing what they are doing to make a living, and they wished to make their money work harder for them instead of them working hard for the money,... then that's when they would wish they have taken the trouble to learn investments earlier.

This post has been edited by Hansel: Mar 23 2016, 11:30 PM
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post Mar 23 2016, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Mar 23 2016, 03:44 PM)
That's always been PNB/ASNB's mantra. They'll never claim that their dividend payment is the highest among UT but they're pretty proud not to have missed paying out dividends since the economic downturns of the late 80's, 97/98, 2001/2002, 2007/2008 and the current slowdown/downturn.

While FSM and the rest may be able to provide excellent returns some of the time, the ASNB products pay dividend all the time and to most people, that consistency and peace of mind is more important. It all goes back to risk vs reward basically.

And if SC really does not allow for the FPs to increase in size (except for ASB of course, even ASB2 has a fund size limit) then units for these products will be in even greater demand.
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We should say : ...consistency, peace of mind AND lesser work... - this would be more accurate.

I believe the : 'lesser work' part is the one that is most attractive to investors.

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post Mar 23 2016, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 23 2016, 04:31 PM)
true. FSM do give higher return, but same time can give u huge losses too  cry.gif

so here & there to balance it up our portfolio, so that we don't get some heart attack when market crashes  innocent.gif

and I do see now there's lack of unit availability. people now realized that ASx fund is the best place to park their money. previously last year or before. there's a lot of units available, but not enuf money to buy up all. Now got some money, but no units available  bangwall.gif
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Okay,... I accept your statement above, in bold,... let's see if whatever that I invested in will give me huge losses,... or,.. the ASX will will give me more profits over the,... how long should we measure ??

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 23 2016, 11:26 PM)
Okay,... I accept your statement above, in bold,... let's see if whatever that I invested in will give me huge losses,... or,.. the ASX will will give me more profits over the,... how long should we measure ??
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5 years. Compare it with UT offer by FSM. That should be enough time. Heck 3 years is also enough to gauge a return of a product.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 23 2016, 06:10 PM)
Well, that's my point of view tho. for me at least. you shouldn't generalise all in 1 statement...

You have to understand 1 point. Not every single field works the same! If those studying account finance related or business administration waste their time on not trying on doing investment like you said.... then its really sucks.

On the other hand, take doctor as an example. If HO, no need to say.. Time confirm not enough, they rather sleep, then playing what investment. We take MO as an example. Life as a MO just slightly better than HO. 8 - 5 confirmed. If oncall straight >24 hours. Later post oncall need join ward round. That also depend on what department you are in A and E definitely busy. O and G also sure busy. And the next day 5pm go back rest la.  Or writing report, prepare for specialist training... and discussing with consultant. Thing repeats.....

While a more leisure job - teacher. 6 - 2 confirmed. Maybe one of the days 6 - 6 for koko or weekly meeting. Go back around 7, marks paper, prepare lesson plan for next day until 10. Sleep. Now they doing better. Last time under moohy got want online fill up data. need to wait till midnight for server to cool down that even keluar newspaper. Impossible you miss this news. Now that server closed shop already...

I take the 2 jobs above as example because I find them really busy and really time constrain, and yes, they are pretty young too around 24. whats better investment for them? Maybe property? FD? ASX? If they having family... More serious

Well, for student. The Big 3 - Med, Dent, Pharm. I know they really really busy. And hell lot of stuff to study. Don't believe? Ask kkk8787. 8 - 5 confirmed. Make presentation, study, essay writing, case writing, follow up. All takes time. All stress up and I do understand sometime, they go and relax abit via some entertainment...

Who don't want money... Who... For those slack people, lazy people surely wasted. But those are doing the right thing at the right time, persuading their dream, contributing to the community, you cant say them rather earn less so as to have easier life.
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haha...those were the days, well my student days were in the early 2000s, I think now should be roughly the same. But comparatively life as student was way better. Housemen nowadays I think busy yes, busier than other fields yes, but they will have a bit of free time, now slightly overcrowded. But there are always those who managed to Ular. I was in operating room, looking out the window, can see a bunch of housemen under me walking out to eat while u are preparing for operation.
Some fields are more free than others, doctors who go into admin are very free usually. I know a doctor in a district in Johor, was too incompetent, he was assigned to jaga library. haha..that one is very free
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 23 2016, 11:19 PM)
I have seen students in many different fields-of-study attending my talks, learning about investments, in Singapore,
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Still practice law? Do u give investment talk in KL?
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post Mar 24 2016, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 24 2016, 08:57 AM)
Still practice law? Do u give investment talk in KL?
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Hi MGM,... yeah,..still 'cari makan',...Sitting at home also susah,..

I don't give any talks in KL,..never thought of it,...just started too in Sgp,... teaching for FREE,... biggrin.gif but I kinda like to take abut these things,.. one of my students, an elderly uncle from Marsiling,... said I have a passion for teaching. Perhaps so,...

Haha,... shy to say this,.. not only for teaching for free, I have to provide the venue and the mineral water too,... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif But I guessed I get satisfaction doing something good for the people,...

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