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Hansel
post Mar 15 2016, 06:53 PM

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Congratulations,.. ASX FP Investors,.. you made the right decisions to trust the MY Gov't,... hmm,... looks like our MY Gov't is not too bad either,....


One things's for sure - they do take care of their investors, no matter how bad they fare in the other areas of the country,... I need to give this to them,...

And they can still give out 6.30% yield with the bad performance of Bursa last year,...
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post Mar 15 2016, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 15 2016, 07:00 PM)
your sarcasm  thumbsup.gif  rclxs0.gif
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Hey man,... no sarcasm intended, true genuine admission that you guys are right to trust the MY Gov't,... in matters of investing in PNB,... thumbsup.gif
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post Mar 15 2016, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 15 2016, 06:58 PM)
After the dust is settled, u consider to come back?
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Well,.. I have not managed to sell everything,.. so, at this juncture, I think I'll just let what I have inside stay put inside. Adding-up more will be something to think abut,.. again, it won't be easy to get, need to wait and to keep following-up with people,...

Plus,..well,...I have researched hard and there is now a window of opportunity in some overseas funds that offer up to 10% in yields, at currently depressed prices. So, whatever I have sent out will just stay outside, since another door has opened,...
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post Mar 15 2016, 07:14 PM

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Do you guys think they will extend the income tax exemption clause against our FP Funds too ? This exemption will expire in end-201...7, right ?
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:03 AM

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Since I am holding only the ASM and the ASW2020 for the majority of my funds investments in ASX FP Funds, I am beginning to feel that I need to wait for 12 long months to get hold of my funds, for reinvestments.

If mkt has limited opportunities, then this is okay.

But if mkt has opportunities abound, the it will be a bit slow for us to get our hands on the funds.

No need to do any work for investments, hence must wait longer to get hold of the funds - a good tradeoff ?
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post Mar 22 2016, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 22 2016, 05:16 PM)
most of us always forget the main purpose PNB is set-up in the first place.

it's purpose it to increase bumiputra equity participation & create some wealth for them.

but somehow half way, they open up some funds for others malaysian to buy. that's why asw2020 have 51/49 quota (under Tun M administration). later it's change to free to all (asm) and back to racial quota under Jibby administration (as1m)
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If this is the reason, then non-Bumis should be thankful that we have a chance to earn something here. Based on the above again, then my understanding would be PNB was set-up to help the Bumis gain more traction in the country's wealth due to the other races being more well-informed in income-attaining methods.

Hence, the other races should strive to achieve other methods of gaining income, and not to depend too much on the PNB, in line with the Gov't's strategy. Those other races should then learn to take their money somewhere else to prosper,... and to diversify out.
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post Mar 22 2016, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 22 2016, 06:13 PM)
yes, we must not too depend on pnb. the needed to diversify.

for those earn juz enuf to cover their monthly expenses & have very little savings, then pnb funds is the way to go.
for myr 500 or less, u wanna invest in sreit  laugh.gif  better invest in PNB or FSM too if really want foreign exposure innocent.gif

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Agreed then for the bolded words above, if the amount is a bit too low,.. I guessed PNB is still the way to go. However, subsequent to that, if the amount invested grows and is substantial enough, then the investor should take the trouble to learn more of outside investments, and strive to earn more outside, and diversify.

And then,.. I think keeping some Emergency Funds inside PNB ASX is also a good way to go for,...ie using PNB as an instrument to park Emergency Funds in since it is so liquid.

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post Mar 22 2016, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 22 2016, 06:49 PM)
thumbup.gif u to you, Hansel, but remember there are also non-bumi not as able and lucky as u. I remember a statistics stating that 25% of Chinese students drop out after form3.
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I guessed... Chinese people should strive to help themselves too,... if not, then they should not blame the Gov't for not helping them, regardless of the Gov't choosing which race to help... which is then, not the issue at-hand anymore.
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post Mar 22 2016, 08:05 PM

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All said above is fine so long as one is satisfied with the 6.4% yield per year, payable once a year. And for a non-Bumi, one is willing to spend the time hunting and in a way,...'begging' for at the banks. I supposed the 'workload' here is the hunt,.. rather than studying on investment instruments and other global activities.

For myself, I would rather be satisfied with an 11% yield per year, payable every month and furthermore, get to learn about new instruments and get to participate in overseas investment-related activities. The workload here would be studying investments instruments, fundamental analysis, technical analysis and attending seminars and AGMs worldwide.

I wouldn't say it takes a lot of capital to invest using my way,... it's just whether a person is wiling to go down the route or not,.. and willing to try or not,...

So,..let's not say that I am able to do what I am currently doing because I have a lot of funds at my disposal,.... and others do not. I have seen even young Singaporean novice investors starting to do what I am doing with minimal funds. I know this for a fact,... because I am their guru,....

So,... what's stopping us adults in Msia ? I see that many of the young novice investors in Sgp are still university students, and they save whatever they could to start on their journey,... So,... what's stopping us ?

The good life of not needing to work hard to invest,... and the comfort circle that is holding us back- that's all,....
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 22 2016, 07:53 PM)
Cheque or units, I will still get my 4 figure of payout. thumbup.gif If cheque, just extra work to "re-tambah unit" Wish it was units. Make my life easier.

Btw, just got discharged from hospital due to dengue. shakehead.gif
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I am quite blessed,... when I started investing in the ASM and the ASW2020 back in 2006 or 7,... can't remember exactly,.. the yearly payouts were all re-invested up till 2015 payout, after which I started to withdraw in batches when the MYR was strong enough for me to convert over.

This year, PNB is saying they might give out cheques,.... so,... I've moved-on,... In short, I had a good run,...
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post Mar 22 2016, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 22 2016, 06:54 PM)
that what I doing now  devil.gif

and since ASx divvy is kinda stable for now (even when the market is bad). so no worries cool2.gif
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If I am designating an instrument as a vehicle for me to park my Emergency Funds, I wouldn't use return as an important factor anymore. I would use liquidity and safety as the factors.

Why ?... because if I start to think of the 'good returns' of the designated instrument, then I am sure I would start to skew my thinking into parking 'ALL' my funds into that instrument. And this, is in itself, destroying the basic purpose and the required function of setting aside of Emergency Funds. Emergency Funds should be just an amount of funds necessary to maintain one's lifestyle for 6 months in case he loses his income - not more,......

One should not associate an Emergency Funds parking vehicle with a vehicle for returns.

YOU are not putting your funds inside ASX because you are using it as a vehicle for parking your Emergency Funds,.. face it,... you are putting your funds inside the ASX because it is a vehicle of return to you, being that you find it safe, can easily give you a STABLE dividend (which you said in your posting),... and you DO NOT need to do any work to learn about this ASX,... you only need to trust it.

It is only your SECONDARY OBJECTIVE when you treat it as a vehicle to park your Emergency Funds because of its liquidity,... it is definitely not your primary objective. Do recognise the difference here.
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post Mar 22 2016, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 22 2016, 07:53 PM)
Cheque or units, I will still get my 4 figure of payout. thumbup.gif If cheque, just extra work to "re-tambah unit" Wish it was units. Make my life easier.

Btw, just got discharged from hospital due to dengue. shakehead.gif
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Which country are you in now ?? Contracted dengue ?? You are based overseas, studying there, right ?
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 22 2016, 09:47 PM)
Basically this explained the whole view of ASX.. Nicely written and straight to the point.

Yes, the reason I like the fp is that relatively safe, stable return, and this 2 factor = worry free. And whats the best is that you actually no need to do hell lot of research to earn that 6%. Well compared to the 10% which is high risk. This fund for me I think is suitable for those uncle and aunty which is going to retired and to those student which is really really busy with the study life. Or no life.

Who don't like money? I myself frankly speaking, FSM actually under my radar and I wanted to try it so hard with maybe around 1000.00 myr. But, I can't really find out the time to do this... Just too busy..... But looking at other people like those in art stream student or free life student ** take note I am not looking down on them, I just comparing the leisure time we had ** going shopping mall, watch movie, not enough money take from dad and mum, those with girlfriend more worse, take dad and mum money go raise gf, buy this buy that in the end don't know got become husband and wife or not spend so much money already. What la... Use the money buy UT or what or FD also more return than the gf. Well maybe got fubu and they might think is worth it.

And this ASX also, not that clear actually the whole thing. Do they actually earn? Or do they actually can give more than 6%? Or do they actually give out the reserve eventually, because from what we see, every single year also got reserve, impossible la only 6% pa.... For the past 20 years reserve around 2 %... ** this they said they capable of giving out 8% pa every year ** where is the rest? Pink spider do highlighted this points.

Too much to write. Now getting old already....
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In the world of investment, it is always said that when you are young, you should take on more risky assets, with higher adjusted returns. YOur stocks to bond ratio is around 80% stocks and 20% bond. When age catches up, slowly you move the ratio in the opposite direction. Sometimes I regret that I did not take on more risks when I was younger. I may have made more. Time has gone past now.

If Sgp students can still dig out time to learn investments, then I am really wondering why our Msian students are not able to ?

And finally,.... if you have a chance to earn 11% with monthly payout, then I start to wonder why do you choose to earn only 6.4% with annual payout ? So that you don't need to work hard in order to earn more ?

Well then,... people who do not intend to work harder should not complain if they do not gain more in life, especially when time was on their side when they were young. After time has passed, it will not come back again.

Finally,... I get the message - Msians would rather earn less so as to have an easier life. Perhaps this would be applicable for the older generation, but younger people ?? Middle-aged people ??
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post Mar 23 2016, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 23 2016, 06:10 PM)
Well, that's my point of view tho. for me at least. you shouldn't generalise all in 1 statement...

You have to understand 1 point. Not every single field works the same! If those studying account finance related or business administration waste their time on not trying on doing investment like you said.... then its really sucks.

On the other hand, take doctor as an example. If HO, no need to say.. Time confirm not enough, they rather sleep, then playing what investment. We take MO as an example. Life as a MO just slightly better than HO. 8 - 5 confirmed. If oncall straight >24 hours. Later post oncall need join ward round. That also depend on what department you are in A and E definitely busy. O and G also sure busy. And the next day 5pm go back rest la.  Or writing report, prepare for specialist training... and discussing with consultant. Thing repeats.....

While a more leisure job - teacher. 6 - 2 confirmed. Maybe one of the days 6 - 6 for koko or weekly meeting. Go back around 7, marks paper, prepare lesson plan for next day until 10. Sleep. Now they doing better. Last time under moohy got want online fill up data. need to wait till midnight for server to cool down that even keluar newspaper. Impossible you miss this news. Now that server closed shop already...

I take the 2 jobs above as example because I find them really busy and really time constrain, and yes, they are pretty young too around 24. whats better investment for them? Maybe property? FD? ASX? If they having family... More serious

Well, for student. The Big 3 - Med, Dent, Pharm. I know they really really busy. And hell lot of stuff to study. Don't believe? Ask kkk8787. 8 - 5 confirmed. Make presentation, study, essay writing, case writing, follow up. All takes time. All stress up and I do understand sometime, they go and relax abit via some entertainment...

Who don't want money... Who... For those slack people, lazy people surely wasted. But those are doing the right thing at the right time, persuading their dream, contributing to the community, you cant say them rather earn less so as to have easier life.
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I have seen students in many different fields-of-study attending my talks, learning about investments, in Singapore, that is,... I don't need to go around asking them how they managed to juggle their schedule,.. I generalise,..you're right,.. I generalise with NUS students and other SG university students,... If you have indeed done your study to that level and start to drill down to the different courses and how much time that they probaby have for learning investments, then again I wonder why we have such differences between SG students and our students.

Who don't want money ? I can answer that, those who are willing to earn lesser in order to have lesser work and risks,... those are the people who would prefer to earn less money. But again, there no wrong on that - it's their choice.

However,.......................if the day should come whereby, they wished to earn more but does not have the means to do that anymore, then they should not regret it. Opportunity comes but once in life. And such opportunity normally comes when one is young.

Edited by adding : OR,.. another possible scenario in future is they get fed-up doing what they are doing to make a living, and they wished to make their money work harder for them instead of them working hard for the money,... then that's when they would wish they have taken the trouble to learn investments earlier.

This post has been edited by Hansel: Mar 23 2016, 11:30 PM
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post Mar 23 2016, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Mar 23 2016, 03:44 PM)
That's always been PNB/ASNB's mantra. They'll never claim that their dividend payment is the highest among UT but they're pretty proud not to have missed paying out dividends since the economic downturns of the late 80's, 97/98, 2001/2002, 2007/2008 and the current slowdown/downturn.

While FSM and the rest may be able to provide excellent returns some of the time, the ASNB products pay dividend all the time and to most people, that consistency and peace of mind is more important. It all goes back to risk vs reward basically.

And if SC really does not allow for the FPs to increase in size (except for ASB of course, even ASB2 has a fund size limit) then units for these products will be in even greater demand.
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We should say : ...consistency, peace of mind AND lesser work... - this would be more accurate.

I believe the : 'lesser work' part is the one that is most attractive to investors.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 23 2016, 04:31 PM)
true. FSM do give higher return, but same time can give u huge losses too  cry.gif

so here & there to balance it up our portfolio, so that we don't get some heart attack when market crashes  innocent.gif

and I do see now there's lack of unit availability. people now realized that ASx fund is the best place to park their money. previously last year or before. there's a lot of units available, but not enuf money to buy up all. Now got some money, but no units available  bangwall.gif
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Okay,... I accept your statement above, in bold,... let's see if whatever that I invested in will give me huge losses,... or,.. the ASX will will give me more profits over the,... how long should we measure ??

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 24 2016, 08:57 AM)
Still practice law? Do u give investment talk in KL?
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Hi MGM,... yeah,..still 'cari makan',...Sitting at home also susah,..

I don't give any talks in KL,..never thought of it,...just started too in Sgp,... teaching for FREE,... biggrin.gif but I kinda like to take abut these things,.. one of my students, an elderly uncle from Marsiling,... said I have a passion for teaching. Perhaps so,...

Haha,... shy to say this,.. not only for teaching for free, I have to provide the venue and the mineral water too,... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif But I guessed I get satisfaction doing something good for the people,...
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 24 2016, 12:09 AM)
5 years. Compare it with UT offer by FSM. That should be enough time. Heck 3 years is also enough to gauge a return of a product.
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I appreciated your reply, bro,.. okay, let me pull-up my records when I reached office later this morning. I will give some numbers,... I have invested in the product for sometime, but lately, capital-gain wise, I'm in the red. I'll provide the workings,...
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The comments in that website is good,..........BUT I have one reservation : that blogger keeps pouring-in new money into his investments,... norhing wrong with this,... however,..

I would prefer to measure my performance by having a 'limited amount of funds' and 'recycling' those funds to earn higher returns. Don't know how to explain this,...

If one keeps pouring-in new funds when his investments 'go down',...then the investor 'keeps forgiving himself' and tries to continue averaging down to win. Somehow, I,... well, just my own opinion-lar,... don't think this is a sound strategy. I would prefer to measure an investing performance by having a definite amount of money to start with, and then trying to GROW that amount of money within a certain period of measured time.

Of course, there are times when we are wrong, we need to average down with fresh funds,... but not always-lar,...

Don't know if I have explained clear enough or not,....
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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 24 2016, 09:49 AM)
You practice law in JB? Easier to do investment in Singapore. thumbup.gif
Since u are into S-Reits, is this a good place to learn? http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot.my/
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