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post Jul 23 2020, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 23 2020, 11:45 AM)
Borderline OT, but the current retail price for the Sony 77A9G OLED is now RM21.9k....thats close to what it shd start with instead of close out prices...still wonder what the 77C9 is now.
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Sony A9G 65" was one of my choices, but it does not have HDMI 2.1 and i worry about screen burn in, end up I go for Samsung Q95T 65".
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post Jul 23 2020, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 23 2020, 03:26 AM)
I just check now it can, probably some changes is make after firmware update.

But in Dolby Vision mode, Dynamic Tone Mapping setting is not there.

Just use the thing best suite you, they is nothing correct or wrong, it is user preference.

I don't see any crush mid range highlight, it was the best setting for me and I already watch like that few months.

B9 had inaccurate setting by default, probably it impact the output which probably not only did by DTM but others setting as well.

From this article now I know why this feature is not there for Dolby Vision because Dolby Vision already have it owned Dynamic Tone Mapping.

I find it work perfectly, so I am going to stick to On in HDR10.
It make the HDR10 very closed to what Dolby Vision did which is much better. So far I had no complain on all movies I see.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/cx-oled/settings
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One thing I forget mention. I read before someone on this thread say DTM best used if your room is bright. My room is bedroom, so I control the light to be quite dark most of the time. This certainly make DTM to show the over exposure issue more noticeable if compare to bright room.

Ya I know DTM is no right or wrong. But I think I rather prefer watching the movie as was intended.


QUOTE(fentanyl @ Jul 23 2020, 10:41 AM)
I read somewhere that DTM in HDR10 is equivalent to Dolby Vision. I think I just let it ON.
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That's not true. DTM only pretend to be like DV, but certainly is not equal to it.
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post Jul 23 2020, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(JustCheeze @ Jul 23 2020, 09:00 PM)
One thing I forget mention. I read before someone on this thread say DTM best used if your room is bright. My room is bedroom, so I control the light to be quite dark most of the time. This certainly make DTM to show the over exposure issue more noticeable if compare to bright room.

Ya I know DTM is no right or wrong. But I think I rather prefer watching the movie as was intended.
That's not true. DTM only pretend to be like DV, but certainly is not equal to it.
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Most the time I watch in normal lighting condition room, but sometimes I watch in total dark room also.

I never ever facing over exposure issue at all. smile.gif

Did you make some changes on the setting? suggest you reset back all to original and check again by turning on the DTM only.

Last time, someone here told me OLED Light, Contrast and Brightness cannot simply touch as this will impact the output.
I let all this in default setting and it looks just nice in Cinema Mode for all except Home Cinema Mode for Dolby Vision to me.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jul 23 2020, 10:14 PM
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post Jul 24 2020, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 23 2020, 09:43 PM)
Most the time I watch in normal lighting condition room, but sometimes I watch in total dark room also.

I never ever facing over exposure issue at all. smile.gif

Did you make some changes on the setting? suggest you reset back all to original and check again by turning on the DTM only.

Last time, someone here told me OLED Light, Contrast and Brightness cannot simply touch as this will impact the output.
I let all this in default setting and it looks just nice in Cinema Mode for all except Home Cinema Mode for Dolby Vision to me.
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There is a few reason for this.

1.you are use to this setting and you don't find it wrong at all.
2.u watch the movie/show without doing critical viewing to check on it.

Want you can do is use a short clip or a short scene in a movie.
Try to use 2 settings alternately. You will mostly see the overexposure on dark scene and also overbloom on bright scene.

It's the nature of DTM. And DTM is not DV. DV use dynamic meta data, in this sense that the movie/show is mastered in dynamic mapping for DV.
DTM uses dynamic Tone Mapping on a static meta data, hence it will have incorrect value at high and low values.

It's nice to use DTM for games thou, cuz games is not meant for accuracy, and ppl like games to be punchy with overbloom effect.

All in all use how you want it to be, it's preference when it comes to viewing entertainment.

But do know that preference is not always correct.

This post has been edited by madballs: Jul 24 2020, 01:05 AM
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post Jul 24 2020, 07:37 AM

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Pre-order LG CX 55" at RM8,099 before 10% cash back:

https://shopee.com.my/LG-CX-55-inch-4K-Smar...0342.3642648246

If only it had a taller stand.
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QUOTE(madballs @ Jul 24 2020, 01:02 AM)
There is a few reason for this.

1.you are use to this setting and you don't find it wrong at all.
2.u watch the movie/show without doing critical viewing to check on it.

Want you can do is use a short clip or a short scene in a movie.
Try to use 2 settings alternately. You will mostly see the overexposure on dark scene and also overbloom on bright scene.

It's the nature of DTM. And DTM is not DV. DV use dynamic meta data, in this sense that the movie/show is mastered in dynamic mapping for DV.
DTM uses dynamic Tone Mapping on a static meta data, hence it will have incorrect value at high and low values.

It's nice to use DTM for games thou, cuz games is not meant for accuracy, and ppl like games to be punchy with overbloom effect.

All in allĀ  use how you want it to be, it's preference when it comes to viewing entertainment.

But do know that preference is not always correct.
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Actually, even the gamer who use lg cx oled , they don't like the DTM, they prefer the new HGIG. After the compare this two mode, they realize DTM make the picture lost shadow detail.

This post has been edited by kkthen: Jul 24 2020, 08:45 AM
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post Jul 24 2020, 09:06 AM

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Good shoppee prices below

55c9 - 6799
55cx - 8099
65c9 - 10799
65cx - 13999

Decisions,decisons haha.
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QUOTE(arslow @ Jul 24 2020, 09:06 AM)
Good shoppee prices below

55c9 - 6799
55cx - 8099
65c9 - 10799
65cx - 13999

Decisions,decisons haha.
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Good price? Not really ...šŸ˜…
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post Jul 24 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(arslow @ Jul 24 2020, 09:06 AM)
Good shoppee prices below

55c9 - 6799
55cx - 8099
65c9 - 10799
65cx - 13999

Decisions,decisons haha.
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Good price, go go go!

BTW, you guys buy extended warranty for TV?

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QUOTE(neekun @ Jul 24 2020, 10:40 AM)
Good price, go go go!

BTW, you guys buy extended warranty for TV?
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Yes, after saw my friend plasma & Oled got problem after 2 year. Black luck.

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QUOTE(dex-brz @ Jul 24 2020, 09:42 AM)
Good price? Not really ...šŸ˜…
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Good price.


QUOTE(neekun @ Jul 24 2020, 10:40 AM)
Good price, go go go!

BTW, you guys buy extended warranty for TV?
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Nope, I never buy any extended warranty for anything.

They can extended for you because it is very rare happen anything during the extended time as well.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 24 2020, 12:52 PM)
Good price.
Nope, I never buy any extended warranty for anything.

They can extended for you because it is very rare happen anything during the extended time as well.
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why RM10K+ for a LG 65 C9 is a good price? where i can pick it up below RM10K...well, do your price survey guys..dont rely on "shopee" prices

well if its "good price" to your pocket, go ahead...cheers biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dex-brz @ Jul 24 2020, 01:08 PM)
why RM10K+ for a LG 65 C9 is a good price? where i can pick it up below RM10K...well, do your price survey guys..dont rely on "shopee" prices

well if its "good price" to your pocket, go ahead...cheers  biggrin.gif
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Shopee price is just reference. Always call a few shops and ask for "discount" biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 23 2020, 09:43 PM)
Most the time I watch in normal lighting condition room, but sometimes I watch in total dark room also.

I never ever facing over exposure issue at all. smile.gif

Did you make some changes on the setting? suggest you reset back all to original and check again by turning on the DTM only.

Last time, someone here told me OLED Light, Contrast and Brightness cannot simply touch as this will impact the output.
I let all this in default setting and it looks just nice in Cinema Mode for all except Home Cinema Mode for Dolby Vision to me.
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When I first tested DTM with just normal content like movies, ya it looks very impressive. Makes HDR highlights "pop" which is very pleasing to the eye. But then I learnt from few people to use some test patterns like the one from Spears Munsil 4k disc to at least adjust contrast and brightness to prevent clipping. Since those test pattern does not require a meter, I tried it. I'm surprised when I enable DTM it CLIPS a lot of the test pattern. You may not notice it because maybe you not sure what it is clipping?
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QUOTE(JustCheeze @ Jul 24 2020, 06:37 PM)
When I first tested DTM with just normal content like movies, ya it looks very impressive. Makes HDR highlights "pop" which is very pleasing to the eye. But then I learnt from few people to use some test patterns like the one from Spears Munsil 4k disc to at least adjust contrast and brightness to prevent clipping. Since those test pattern does not require a meter, I tried it. I'm surprised when I enable DTM it CLIPS a lot of the test pattern. You may not notice it because maybe you not sure what it is clipping?
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What does that mean? Overblown images?

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QUOTE(fentanyl @ Jul 24 2020, 06:55 PM)
What does that mean? Overblown images?
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Spectectular highlights blocking other details. It's like overbloom effect.

Just an example that if you have moon shots, they might have stars near to the moon, but since the moon 'glow' too bright, it will 'clip' the stars
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QUOTE(dex-brz @ Jul 24 2020, 01:08 PM)
why RM10K+ for a LG 65 C9 is a good price? where i can pick it up below RM10K...well, do your price survey guys..dont rely on "shopee" prices

well if its "good price" to your pocket, go ahead...cheers  biggrin.gif
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Some folks living outside klang valley has limited brick and mortar choices.

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QUOTE(kkthen @ Jul 24 2020, 08:45 AM)
Actually,  even the gamer who use lg cx oled , they don't like the DTM, they prefer the new HGIG. After the compare this two mode, they realize DTM make the picture  lost shadow detail.
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This is also true. But not all models have hgig. Only 9 series and X series.

There was a time when the 7 or 8 series GAME HDR mode was so dim its unplayable on dark scenes. DTM helps to elevate this issue abit. Some even resort to dynamic contrast.

It also depends on game, as some game doesn't have control for white point, hgig can't help without it. But most of the newer games has it so its a moot point. The game on my head right is God of War and HZD, hgig might clip details on this 2 games.
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QUOTE(fentanyl @ Jul 24 2020, 06:55 PM)
What does that mean? Overblown images?
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If there is scene where there is very bright object, example like a sun showing through the cloud, clipping the highlight detail means suddenly the cloud look like just 1 white blob instead of looking like a cloud.

Example what I mean:
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Left is DTM, right is no DTM.


QUOTE(madballs @ Jul 24 2020, 08:12 PM)
This is also true. But not all models have hgig. Only 9 series and X series.

There was a time when the 7 or 8 series GAME HDR mode was so dim its unplayable on dark scenes. DTM helps to elevate this issue abit. Some even resort to dynamic contrast.

It also depends on game, as some game doesn't have control for white point, hgig can't help without it. But most of the newer games has it so its a moot point. The game on my head right is God of War and HZD, hgig might clip details on this 2 games.
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Actually to be honest, a lot of PS4 games HDR sucks. The God of War and HZD you mention is quite bad, either is too dark or too bright clipping the image.

Recently I play Ghost Tsushima, at first it look too dark too. Then I read from reddit, some guy recommend to do the PS4 HDR calibration option and then enable HGIG. Turn out the game use the PS4 HDR calibration values, I think is the first game to do this.
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QUOTE(JustCheeze @ Jul 24 2020, 08:30 PM)
If there is scene where there is very bright object, example like a sun showing through the cloud, clipping the highlight detail means suddenly the cloud look like just 1 white blob instead of looking like a cloud.

Example what I mean:
user posted image

Left is DTM, right is no DTM.
Actually to be honest, a lot of PS4 games HDR sucks. The God of War and HZD you mention is quite bad, either is too dark or too bright clipping the image.

Recently I play Ghost Tsushima, at first it look too dark too. Then I read from reddit, some guy recommend to do the PS4 HDR calibration option and then enable HGIG. Turn out the game use the PS4 HDR calibration values, I think is the first game to do this.
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I think the first game to implement this was COD modern warfare.
I haven't try ghost yet, but I'm glad they are implementing hgig.
And yes, alot of ps4 games didnt implement HDR correctly. Think alot of dev is still experimenting on HDR since it still quite new and haven't reach mainstream yet.
The worst I came across was monster hunter world before expansion.

Let's hope HGIG or HDR gaming as a whole mature in coming time for Ps5

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