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post Oct 29 2019, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 29 2019, 10:04 PM)
Gsync only support C9 and above? B9 not supported? adoi. I gonna use it for multipurpose like games (console + PC) and movies. For PC audio, you connect to your AVR? Initially i want to buy samsung q90R soundbar (RM3900), but the soundbar itself full of connectivity issues like eARC not fully functioning and cannot deliver HD audio through eARC.

Then if I want to go back AVR route, dobly atmos AVR setup need over RM10k as well for 5.1.4 doh.gif
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Officially speaking, C9 and E9 are the only models supported. Nvidia may change their tune in the future though, who knows. Theoretically speaking, there is no reason why the B9 cannot have support for GSYNC either.

Yes, everything goes to my AVR then a single connection to the TV. I don't use ARC as it's a piece of shit feature that PMS every day. Sometimes it works, sometimes it just doesn't want to no matter how you pray to it. eARC was suppose to eliminate all these connectivity issues, but turns out it is just as bad. mega_shok.gif

What's the point of using a soundbar if you're going to do Atmos? Those upfiring speakers on the Q90r soundbar are so weak. I'm a strong believer in "do it once, do it right". Can always start from the essential first instead of going all out. Upgrade slowly. Personally I'd rather not have Atmos or surround sound, than to spend RM6k on a silly soundbar. I'd put all 6k into separate LCRs instead which I'm very sure will sound several leagues better than the soundbar alone.

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If you don't calibrate your display like most of the TV buyers out there , you probably want to avoid the B9 .


LG is well aware their biggest competition of their OLED E and C series , comes from their very own B series .
Especially since it is cheaper ( in the oversea at least ) and has the same PQ performance and specs , as many have been saying since 2016 , why not ?


But things have started to change since 2018.
I have noticed the B series is on average , at least 100 cd/m2 (nits) dimmer below the C and E series . At first I thought it may be just panel variance .


Now in 2019 , reviews from multiple AV outlets confirms my suspicion .
LG is starting to intentionally dial back the features and specs of the B series to make the C and E more appealing.


At the same time , the B9 must have skipped an important step in the factory calibration settings as well .
The out of box color accuracy is just unusually bad, it is horrendous . This is no isolated incident , it was mentioned on several other professional reviews as well.

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For some reason, the LG B9 shipped with very bad pre-calibration settings. As a result, the white balance is way off, color accuracy is very off, and the color temperature is very warm. While this can be easily fixed with a calibration tool, not all buyers have the option to do so. It’s so strange for LG to have this when most TVs in 2019, including budget options, come with good pre-calibration out of the box.

from 4kdotcom
As for color accuracy, these are specs that we measure by the key specs of white balance delta E, color delta E and Gamma. In the B9, they are really damn crappy right out of the box but quickly become incredibly excellent after some moderate adjustment in the TV’s picture control menus.

from rtings
The accuracy of the B9 with its pre-calibration settings is poor. Most people will notice the inaccuracies in the pure whites, as the color temperature is warm with a yellowish tint. Enthusiasts, however, will also notice some inaccuracies in the colors. The gamma follows the target well, but some brighter scenes don't have the proper brightness.
This is strange because OLED TVs are usually pretty accurate . To the point the B series reminded me of those China's ABC brand TV you see below $2k.



Considering that the B9 has an inferior 3D Look Up Table (than C , E , W ), which means you will not be getting the same ultra accurate color accuracy you seen from the C , E , W series .
The post processing features like smooth gradation and noise reduction efficiency have also been reduced to half .
This is going to be noticeable in some of the badly compressed material , such as the infamous Games of thrones Episode 3 from season 8.

Essentially , everything that won the C and E series the " TV of the year " award from TV shoutouts are absent on the B9 series .



$9000 is still a very attractive price for a 65" OLED TV especially one that has HDMI 2.1 ports readily installed . It still retains most of the benefits from an OLED display but the drawback is becoming more significant each year .
On a buyer's perspective , if you really can't afford the C9 , you are better off with a 65" C8 which should not be much more pricey than the B9 by now.

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QUOTE(Convael @ Oct 30 2019, 07:06 AM)
If you don't calibrate your display like most of the TV buyers out there , you probably want to avoid the B9 .
LG is well aware their biggest competition of their OLED E and C series , comes from their very own B series .
Especially since it is cheaper ( in the oversea at least ) and has the same PQ performance and specs , as many have been saying since 2016 , why not ?
But things have started to change since 2018.
I have noticed the B series is on average , at least 100 cd/m2 (nits) dimmer below the C and E series .  At first I thought it may be just panel variance .
Now in 2019 , reviews from multiple AV outlets confirms my suspicion .
LG is starting to intentionally dial back the features and specs of the B series to make the C and E more appealing.
At the same time , the B9 must have skipped an important step in the factory calibration settings as well .
The out of box color accuracy is just unusually bad, it is horrendous . This is no isolated incident , it was mentioned on several other professional reviews as well.
This is strange because OLED TVs are usually pretty accurate . To the point the B series reminded me of those China's ABC brand TV you see below $2k.
Considering that the B9 has an inferior 3D Look Up Table (than C , E , W ), which means you will not be getting the same ultra accurate color accuracy you seen from the C , E  , W series .
The post processing features like smooth gradation and noise reduction efficiency have also been reduced to half .
This is going to be noticeable in some of the badly compressed material , such as the infamous Games of thrones Episode 3 from season 8.

Essentially , everything that won the C and E series the " TV of the year " award from TV shoutouts are absent on the B9 series .
$9000 is still a very attractive price for a 65" OLED TV especially one that has HDMI 2.1 ports readily installed . It still retains most of the benefits from an OLED display but the drawback is becoming more significant each year .
On a buyer's perspective , if you really can't afford the C9 , you are better off with a  65" C8  which should not be much more pricey than the B9 by now.
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thanks for sharing the detail info here smile.gif
initially i also target on B9, change my mind to C9 after read through some reviews from Internet icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Convael @ Oct 30 2019, 07:06 AM)
If you don't calibrate your display like most of the TV buyers out there , you probably want to avoid the B9 .
LG is well aware their biggest competition of their OLED E and C series , comes from their very own B series .
Especially since it is cheaper ( in the oversea at least ) and has the same PQ performance and specs , as many have been saying since 2016 , why not ?
But things have started to change since 2018.
I have noticed the B series is on average , at least 100 cd/m2 (nits) dimmer below the C and E series .  At first I thought it may be just panel variance .
Now in 2019 , reviews from multiple AV outlets confirms my suspicion .
LG is starting to intentionally dial back the features and specs of the B series to make the C and E more appealing.
At the same time , the B9 must have skipped an important step in the factory calibration settings as well .
The out of box color accuracy is just unusually bad, it is horrendous . This is no isolated incident , it was mentioned on several other professional reviews as well.
This is strange because OLED TVs are usually pretty accurate . To the point the B series reminded me of those China's ABC brand TV you see below $2k.
Considering that the B9 has an inferior 3D Look Up Table (than C , E , W ), which means you will not be getting the same ultra accurate color accuracy you seen from the C , E  , W series .
The post processing features like smooth gradation and noise reduction efficiency have also been reduced to half .
This is going to be noticeable in some of the badly compressed material , such as the infamous Games of thrones Episode 3 from season 8.

Essentially , everything that won the C and E series the " TV of the year " award from TV shoutouts are absent on the B9 series .
$9000 is still a very attractive price for a 65" OLED TV especially one that has HDMI 2.1 ports readily installed . It still retains most of the benefits from an OLED display but the drawback is becoming more significant each year .
On a buyer's perspective , if you really can't afford the C9 , you are better off with a  65" C8  which should not be much more pricey than the B9 by now.
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Great insight. Somewhat lessen the buyers remorse at my end after purchasing the C8. I guess that's why the prices of the C8 has not gone down significantly even though the C9 has been on the market for quite some time (I can only talk of the 55 inch range though). If anything, the C9 is actually getting cheaper by the day which somewhat bugs me.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Oct 29 2019, 08:29 PM)
Note on the B9, while it may be an "entry level" OLED - it is basically almost identical to the C9. However if you use a HTPC with NVIDIA GPU, take note that GSYNC support only works on the C9 (and E9), not the B9. Something to consider.

Also the C9 is currently cheaper than the B9 lol. C9 65" can be found for under RM13k, B9 65" launching at RM15k.  laugh.gif
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biggrin.gif ahh i see, thanks for the tips! would consider that, but seems like B9 will be selling at RM8,999! shocking.gif im no TV expert, but i think that's pretty cheap for an OLED right?
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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 29 2019, 09:18 PM)
B9 65" is Rm8999 on 11.11
I dont know why it is stated Rm15k on website

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RM8,999 for real? how come lazada states 15k? thats so confusing rclxub.gif how did you find out abt this? rclxm9.gif i might consider B9 then if this price is real thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(noahlee @ Oct 30 2019, 12:15 PM)
RM8,999 for real? how come lazada states 15k? thats so confusing  rclxub.gif how did you find out abt this?  rclxm9.gif i might consider B9 then if this price is real thumbup.gif
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Why not a 65 inch C8? It's basically a C9 with a slightly older processor and only around RM1k more.
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QUOTE(wira1979 @ Oct 30 2019, 04:17 PM)
Why not a 65 inch C8? It's basically a C9 with a slightly older processor and only around RM1k more.
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They aren't the same at all. The C8 and C9 have different panels.
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I believe the pricing of the 65B9 as indicated ~ 8.9K and probably ~8.5K in store, would make it extremely well placed as a value for money high end display. It probably hits about 650nits, has some form of HDMI 2.1 built in, good dynamic tone mapping, excellent contrast and wide viewing angle and if compared to high end displays of other brands, its tough to beat, especially for a current year model. The closest I can think is the 65Q60R and to be honest it does not compare. The Q60R does not get as bright (although being a true additive display one can argue that this cannot be compared), does not have as good viewing angles and does not do Dolby Vision (but does HDR+) and does not have as good a contrast as the B9 and the main point, does not have local dimming.

I wonder how long this offer will run

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QUOTE(wira1979 @ Oct 30 2019, 04:17 PM)
Why not a 65 inch C8? It's basically a C9 with a slightly older processor and only around RM1k more.
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just thought that since B9 is a newer model, maybe would be better? seems like a pretty good deal too nod.gif

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Oct 30 2019, 08:20 PM)
They aren't the same at all. The C8 and C9 have different panels.
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oh really? so B9 has a different panel as well?
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 31 2019, 11:43 AM)
I believe the pricing of the 65B9 as indicated ~ 8.9K and probably ~8.5K in store, would make it extremely well placed as a value for money high end display. It probably hits about 650nits, has some form of HDMI 2.1 built in, good dynamic tone mapping, excellent contrast and wide viewing angle and if compared to high end displays of other brands, its tough to beat, especially for a current year model. The closest I can think is the 65Q60R and to be honest it does not compare. The Q60R does not get as bright (although being a true additive display one can argue that this cannot be compared), does not have as good viewing angles and does not do Dolby Vision (but does HDR+) and does not have as good a contrast as the B9 and the main point, does not have local dimming.

I wonder how long this offer will run
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im pretty attracted by the price to be honest...you have some good insights too. am just waiting for them to reveal the official promo price
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QUOTE(noahlee @ Oct 31 2019, 04:43 PM)
oh really? so B9 has a different panel as well?
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The 9 series all shares the same panel. To be more specific, they are all still wRGB OLED panels. What I mean by different is that the subpixel structure for C9 vs C8 is different.
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can we change the country to US? would like to get US lg content
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They clearly are cutting a major cost on B9 this year.
Even the TV stand is entirely made of plastic with no cable management slot unlike the C9 .


Judging on how slow B8 has been getting firmware updates , the B9 will likely be given the same treatment .
It only had received the HDR brightness fluctuation patch months after the C8 .

As of today , the B8 has yet to receive the near black gradient improvement updates while the C and E owners have already gotten it for 6 months ago .
At this point , we don't even know if they are still coming .

The other major turn off for me is still the very inaccurate out of box settings , since most of these buyers don't calibrate their TV .



Everything the B9 does well , the other models and brands like Panasonic & Sony OLEDs can do just as good , if not better.
If people are fine with that , I guess $9000 is still an extremely good deal for a 65" OLED .


Or maybe wait for Sony to pull another "$7999" for A8G soon like they did with A8F smile.gif

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B9 65 is 8888 this 11/11.

Please remember b9 is using a7 processor while c9 is using a9 processor.

But 8888 for 65 inch oled is pretty much a steal. U get hdmi 2.1 and earc too!


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QUOTE(fuadfadz @ Nov 1 2019, 07:27 AM)
B9 65 is 8888 this 11/11.

Please remember b9 is using a7 processor while c9 is using a9 processor.

But 8888 for 65 inch oled is pretty much a steal. U get hdmi 2.1 and earc too!
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yes, this is very good price for this new model of OLED! drool.gif

i believe with limited unit only, hehe brows.gif

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guys, for those aiming for 65B9, no need to wait for 11.11, senq is doing the promotion now, oled65b9 only selling RM8,888, check senq website
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QUOTE(kskoay @ Nov 1 2019, 07:44 AM)
yes, this is very good price for this new model of OLED!  drool.gif

i believe with limited unit only, hehe  brows.gif
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25 units. That is what senq salesman told me tho
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QUOTE(Convael @ Oct 31 2019, 08:00 PM)
They clearly are cutting a major cost on B9 this year.
Even the TV stand is entirely made of plastic with no cable management slot unlike the C9 .
Judging on how slow B8 has been getting firmware updates , the B9 will likely be given the same treatment .
It only had received the HDR brightness fluctuation patch months after the C8 .

As of today , the B8 has yet to receive the near black gradient improvement updates while the C and E owners have already gotten it for 6 months ago .
At this point , we don't even know if they are still coming .

The other major turn off for me is still the very inaccurate out of box settings , since most of these buyers don't calibrate their TV .
Everything the B9 does well , the other models and brands like Panasonic & Sony OLEDs can do just as good , if not better.
If people are fine with that , I guess $9000 is still an extremely good deal for a 65" OLED .
Or maybe wait for Sony to pull another "$7999" for A8G soon like they did with A8F smile.gif
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Hi bro, if both LG B9 and Sony A8G have the same price, which one would you recommend? Anything i have to be aware of?
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