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patryn33
post Mar 1 2016, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 08:01 AM)
64mm is the bread and butter size for café...
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Got my 58mm from a cafe using to serve decaf
Nearly got the super jolly since it's just usd$200 but too big, still dreaming of my hg one. No luck this year too many expenses.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 12:15 PM)
do you drink charbucks/sanfrancisco/coffeebean/etc? does it tastes ok? if yes then these low cost grinders with fresh beans are a measurable improvements and should get you started nicely...

some grinders are better than others, lelit for example is quite good.
here's the thing...why are we in this this hobby? what is it we're trying to achieve?

if I have a good grinder/machine and make lousy coffee...I know I screw up, learn from my mistakes and do better next time

if I have a lousy grinder/machine and make good coffee...two conclusions (1) I have reached the pinnacle as a barista, (2) I don't know better

the question then is...how do I know...(1) or (2)? I know I can't reach the pinnacle starting with lousy grinder/machine because all three...me/grinder/machine are the variables and limiting factor...so for me to improve, I need to be the limiting factor [that means (2) smile.gif ] and not my grinders and machines...you get what i'm saying?...
now...where do I stop w.r.t grinders/machines?...that is a discussion for another day...
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 12:15 PM)
do you drink charbucks/sanfrancisco/coffeebean/etc? does it tastes ok? if yes then these low cost grinders with fresh beans are a measurable improvements and should get you started nicely...

some grinders are better than others, lelit for example is quite good.
here's the thing...why are we in this this hobby? what is it we're trying to achieve?

if I have a good grinder/machine and make lousy coffee...I know I screw up, learn from my mistakes and do better next time

if I have a lousy grinder/machine and make good coffee...two conclusions (1) I have reached the pinnacle as a barista, (2) I don't know better

the question then is...how do I know...(1) or (2)? I know I can't reach the pinnacle starting with lousy grinder/machine because all three...me/grinder/machine are the variables and limiting factor...so for me to improve, I need to be the limiting factor [that means (2) smile.gif ] and not my grinders and machines...you get what i'm saying?...
now...where do I stop w.r.t grinders/machines?...that is a discussion for another day...
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Umm, no. IMHO these places produce lower quality cups because most of their workers are not passionate about coffee. I remember going to one some time ago to ask them to grind some beans for French Press and their staff didn't even know what I was talking about. When I described that I wanted coarse, they turned the grinder's dial the wrong way and I ended up with something close to Turkish and pretty much useless......

It appears that in your point of view, equipment only lies in two categories:

- Good
- Lousy a.k.a Garbage

I understand your rationale to obtain the absolute best equipment you can afford; this way the only limiting factors are the beans & your ability. However, as earlier agreed by a lot of people, paying twice the price seldom gives you twice the value/quality. I'm absolutely sure that spending RM3000+ on a grinder will get you a very good/fantastic grinder. But I'm looking for objective proof that spending RM1000 or even less can only delivery lousy/garbage output.


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post Mar 1 2016, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 12:18 PM)
that great...what did you get?
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SanMarco 90 smile.gif
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post Mar 1 2016, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 01:02 PM)
Got my 58mm from a cafe using to serve decaf
Nearly got the super jolly since it's just usd$200 but too big, still dreaming of my hg one. No luck this year too many expenses.
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...58mm is the standard for decaf...it's true laugh.gif

The SJ can fit under cabinet...without the tall hopper...I bought the mini hopper for it though...
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post Mar 1 2016, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 1 2016, 01:26 PM)
SanMarco 90  smile.gif
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The squarish one with 80+ steps?...it's been a while can't remember fully...it has a big footprint...
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 01:57 PM)
The squarish one with 80+ steps?...it's been a while can't remember fully...it has a big footprint...
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Quite a big footprint. I run it without the hopper
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post Mar 1 2016, 02:48 PM

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Yup...that's the one!!!

Try to dismantle and do a deep cleaning...especially the doser...and the burrs...it can be very nasty with used stuff....

Enjoy smile.gif

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post Mar 1 2016, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 02:48 PM)
Yup...that's the one!!!

Try to dismantle and do a deep cleaning...especially the doser...and the burrs...it can be very nasty with used stuff....

Enjoy smile.gif
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Yea, did that the first time i got it. Lots of sticky stuff from the cafe grinding oily beans. Also flushed with rice and some cheap beans before I even dared to taste a shot haha
p/s This was a year back
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post Mar 1 2016, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 01:02 PM)
Got my 58mm from a cafe using to serve decaf
Nearly got the super jolly since it's just usd$200 but too big, still dreaming of my hg one. No luck this year too many expenses.
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isn't the hg one taller vs SJ without hopper brows.gif

anyway, I passed on 4 opportunities now wish I hadn't...

used major and sj together for US$200...I was thinking what to do with the major...should have sold it for $300, keep the sj and $100 pocket money...

obsolete gaggia HX lever...I actually bought it...the seller called and say he wanted it back and if I would reconsider and I did...bugger turn around later and sold it for $100 more...

used bosco two group for $1200...it was on a pallet and I was thinking how to get it into the apartment...real stupid of me...

new ek43...I was part of the HB high end grinder group buy...very very very deep discount off US dealer price...not retail...dealer price...I pulled out last minute thinking why I need another grinder...

oh well...

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post Mar 1 2016, 04:24 PM

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Just came back got this....first time trying...
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Just try lah...
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post Mar 1 2016, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 1 2016, 01:04 PM)
It appears that in your point of view, equipment only lies in two categories:

- Good
- Lousy a.k.a Garbage

I understand your rationale to obtain the absolute best equipment you can afford; this way the only limiting factors are the beans & your ability. However, as earlier agreed by a lot of people, paying twice the price seldom gives you twice the value/quality. I'm absolutely sure that spending RM3000+ on a grinder will get you a very good/fantastic grinder. But I'm looking for objective proof that spending RM1000 or even less can only delivery lousy/garbage output.
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correct...the opposite of good is bad...bad means lousy (my choice of word)...I want good, why settle for average? smile.gif

objectivity can be measured and has been done...subjectivity has also been done through consensus blind testing...you can check the very old home barista threads...

how big a difference between the cheap and expensive grinders...seriously depends on the beans you put through them...not just the grinder...

i find my breville cannot grind some of these properly...all light, light medium roasts harder beans such as from guatamala, costa rica, egypt, etc. also some medium, medium dark softer Indonesian...beans too soft, and a few others more...taste comparison for these are my night and day. same beans that I can choke my machine using my 64mm flows through in 20 secs using the finest setting in the breville...find a well behave beans that works...like brazil, panama, some guatamala, etc. then the differences is small and palatable...

i'm just sharing what i've been through...you are of course most welcome to experience it first hand smile.gif

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Hi all, I am new in making espresso and recently bought a Breville BES870. Tried a few shots for the past 3 weeks and the result is not consistent. I would like to ask some questions and prefer to talk through phone with someone experience that can share their experience. Hope friends here can help. Thanks.
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post Mar 1 2016, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 04:17 PM)
isn't the hg one taller vs SJ without hopper brows.gif

anyway, I passed on 4 opportunities now wish I hadn't...

used major and sj together for US$200...I was thinking what to do with the major...should have sold it for $300, keep the sj and $100 pocket money
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SJ is shorter but I didn't think to use it without the hopper, just got into coffee then so very blur.

Got your major and sj used so cheap!
U could have sold or edu these ppl they are good machines under rm$1k over some Chinese brands at great value
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post Mar 1 2016, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 09:56 PM)
SJ is shorter but I didn't think to use it without the hopper, just got into coffee then so very blur.

Got your major and sj used so cheap!
U could have sold or edu these ppl they are good machines under rm$1k over some Chinese brands at great value
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passed...means didn't buy sad.gif

Actually I passed on many commercial 1 group too...like appia 2, feama, izzo, around the us$1300 mark...but it's OK lah...the home is no place for a 4 liter boiler laugh.gif

Anyway...enough bragging...past is past...let's get back to coffee... smile.gif

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 10:37 PM)
passed...means didn't buy sad.gif

Actually I passed on many commercial 1 group too...like appia 2, feama, izzo, around the us$1300 mark...but it's OK lah...the home is no place for a 4 liter boiler laugh.gif
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Nonetheless can edu ppl where to find such under rm$1k deals
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Hey all, just got into brewing coffee using V60. Now have a basic set (v60 size 01 + hario skerton).

I just finished my first 200gm of guatemala beans got from Coffea Coffee (it is close to my place) but I hope to find a more economic one - it was RM48 for 200gm if not mistaken.

Anyone can recommend where can I get decent fresh roasted coffee beans in PJ/KL area? or with delivery? Hopefully can get beans around RM30-40 per 200~250gm.
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 10:46 PM)
Nonetheless can edu ppl where to find such under rm$1k deals
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It's not that i don't want to tell...it's difficult and impractical for most local folks to do...since you ask...

EBay USA...good condition grinders are hard to get...I hunted more than 9 months everyday...the moon and stars must line up for you and needs a buy it now posting. You wait 10 mins it's gone...you also need to do your homework to know how much to bid or price to offer...some stuff is not worth getting. Some stuff you need to fix. Then there's the 110v, credit card/bank account/home address. Next how to get it back to Malaysia...

EBay UK...easy to find good condition grinders...but you need to know how to search...some of the brands are rebadged and named differently...the British mostly prefers pick-up not courier...so how to get the item? Same problems with payment and shipment.

Craig's list...lots of crooks...occasionally some gems...sometimes direct postings...sometimes indirect postings like estate sales, business for sale, etc. Charity shops are another place to hunt...

Hence for overseas purchases...I prefer your suggestions instead just get new from the espressocoffeeshop in Italy, Londonium, etc., as I know of successful trades and easier to manage for normal folks.
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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Mar 1 2016, 11:07 PM)
Hey all, just got into brewing coffee using V60. Now have a basic set (v60 size 01 + hario skerton).

I just finished my first 200gm of guatemala beans got from Coffea Coffee (it is close to my place) but I hope to find a more economic one - it was RM48 for 200gm if not mistaken.

Anyone can recommend where can I get decent fresh roasted coffee beans in PJ/KL area? or with delivery? Hopefully can get beans around RM30-40 per 200~250gm.
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You could try Bean Shipper
From there, you could reverse-search roasters who are near you to get fresh(er) beans and you could ask them about what their roasts taste like.
Been buying beans there, roast dates are usually within 1-2 days, delivery by PosLaju.

Hope it helps!

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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Mar 1 2016, 11:07 PM)
Hey all, just got into brewing coffee using V60. Now have a basic set (v60 size 01 + hario skerton).

I just finished my first 200gm of guatemala beans got from Coffea Coffee (it is close to my place) but I hope to find a more economic one - it was RM48 for 200gm if not mistaken.

Anyone can recommend where can I get decent fresh roasted coffee beans in PJ/KL area? or with delivery? Hopefully can get beans around RM30-40 per 200~250gm.
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You can try Antipodean Cafe.
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post Mar 2 2016, 03:50 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 11:43 PM)
It's not that i don't want to tell...it's difficult and impractical for most local folks to do...since you ask...

EBay USA...good condition grinders are hard to get...I hunted more than 9 months everyday...the moon and stars must line up for you and needs a buy it now posting. You wait 10 mins it's gone...you also need to do your homework to know how much to bid or price to offer...some stuff is not worth getting. Some stuff you need to fix. Then there's the 110v, credit card/bank account/home address. Next how to get it back to Malaysia...

EBay UK...easy to find good condition grinders...but you need to know how to search...some of the brands are rebadged and named differently...the British mostly prefers pick-up not courier...so how to get the item? Same problems with payment and shipment.

Craig's list...lots of crooks...occasionally some gems...sometimes direct postings...sometimes indirect postings like estate sales, business for sale, etc. Charity shops are another place to hunt...

Hence for overseas purchases...I prefer your suggestions instead just get new from the espressocoffeeshop in Italy, Londonium, etc., as I know of successful trades and easier to manage for normal folks.
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local folks kinda limited then especially they do not want to buy overseas.
I still thought u can get great deals locally and quote me in USD since i quote in USD to make easy comparison. LOL


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