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brotan
post Jan 15 2016, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 15 2016, 10:58 AM)
must have read this... biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif
"In order to screen out funds that meet the criterion of consistency in performance, we compare the funds’ calendar year returns against the benchmark return of 7.0%, for the period from 2011 to 2015.
The result showed that only the Kenanga Growth Fund and the Eastspring Investments Dana al-Ilham have successfully met the criterion. We have to award high commendation to the capabilities of these fund managers as they have consistently beaten our benchmark of 7.0%.
Kenanga Growth Fund and Eastspring Investments Dana al-Ilham, which are also our recommended funds, stood head and shoulders over the rest, as these funds achieved 5-year annualized returns of 17.8% and 13.4% respectively, comfortably outperforming the benchmark by 7.0% on an annualized basis.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ds-in-2015-6702
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not really

i do my own reseach

but thanks anyway. this help to strengthen my data

question is. looking into the future, u think it is a good move?
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post Jan 15 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Jan 15 2016, 11:02 AM)
not really

i do my own reseach

but thanks anyway. this help to strengthen my data

question is. looking into the future, u think it is a good move?
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hmm.gif i can't see the future,...but based on past historical data...it seems like a good bet to me at this moment.
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post Jan 15 2016, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 14 2016, 06:12 PM)
Thank you Dasecret. This is the first time that I have read the factsheet which says this.
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U r welcome biggrin.gif

Thing is, most people investing into ASx funds do not read the fact sheets, accounts and prospectus like how people investing in normal unit trust

do you know that the accounts for ASx funds do not include balance sheet? For ASB and ASW, they don't even list all the counters they invest in, only top 20. Obviously they don't show you what is the market value of the investments too...

That's what I meant by black box approach sweat.gif
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post Jan 15 2016, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 14 2016, 07:02 PM)
OT : The fellas there are quite entertaining.

Assuming they out perform the board rate b 0.5%, and it requires moving their capital every quarter. Per 100k deposits, they make an extra RM500 pa., or RM125/move.

Nett of expenses, I'm really wondering what the point is.
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I actually make my mum do it.... asked her to put longer duration like 1 year or 18 months so she doesn't have to do it often. The difference between promo and board rate is around 1%, so each move saves RM1k for a year, ok ma, if rm300k can go for a regional holiday trip liao. She's a retiree in a small town so it's not too bad
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 15 2016, 08:44 AM)
Be worried about your EPF money  whistling.gif
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No need to worry one. EPF is like a giant Ponzi scheme. There are always new employees that will contribute and lock down for about 35 years before can take out. 35 years later, there are always new employees contributing enabling you to take out your money whistling.gif
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post Jan 15 2016, 01:25 PM

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Am I entitle for 0.5% sales charge if I am not attending the investment fair?
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post Jan 15 2016, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 15 2016, 10:01 AM)
If I were you, I will cut my losses and move on.

To draw an analogy. A patient is in a coma and is on life support system. He may or may not wake up in the future. The chances of him waking up is 5%. So would it be more humane to cut off the line support system now and let the patient die?

But the final decision is yours. It is your hard earned money. Do you have confidence that the price of oil will rebound in the short run?
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thanks for you rview, will seriously consider to sell.... oil really can go down some more??how low can it go....
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post Jan 15 2016, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Jan 15 2016, 01:25 PM)
Am I entitle for 0.5% sales charge if I am not attending the investment fair?
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should be. i bought some without going to penang ones. got the 0.5%
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post Jan 15 2016, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 15 2016, 11:55 AM)
No need to worry one. EPF is like a giant Ponzi scheme. There are always new employees that will contribute and lock down for about 35 years before can take out. 35 years later, there are always new employees contributing enabling you to take out your money  whistling.gif
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don't forget those who died without a named beneficiary whistling.gif
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 15 2016, 01:33 PM)
thanks for you rview, will seriously consider to sell.... oil really can go down some more??how low can it go....
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most mention USD 20/bbl, but stanchart gave usd10/bbl shocking.gif
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post Jan 15 2016, 02:15 PM

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i made net extra 0.5% switching from ponzi 2 to titan biggrin.gif
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post Jan 15 2016, 02:16 PM

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Binged and found this....if one is interested to read....

How Low Will Oil Go in 2016?
https://www.bing.com/search?q=How+Low+Will+...2016&FORM=QSRE1
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 15 2016, 01:33 PM)
thanks for you rview, will seriously consider to sell.... oil really can go down some more??how low can it go....
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The projected oil price drop is USD 20 a barrel. It may or may not happen. Warren Buffett is buying up shares in oil companies. Unfortunately we are not him. I would rather use the money from Am Commodities to invest in other funds. I am just looking at the lost opportunity costs.

It is your money and your call bro.

This post has been edited by Vanguard 2015: Jan 15 2016, 03:53 PM
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post Jan 15 2016, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 15 2016, 03:51 PM)
The projected oil price drop is USD 20 a barrel. It may or may not happen. Warren Buffett is buying up shares in oil companies. Unfortunately we are not him. I would rather use the money from Am Commodities to invest in other funds. I am just looking at the lost opportunity costs.

It is your money and your call bro.
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Higher volatility = higher risk = higher reward.

Not easy to make the call; after finding that there was more risk than one can stomach. Which is common enough since investors often think of high returns, and seldom the higher risk of loss.

It is back to square one, the initial decision before getting into any fund: How much volatility/risk should one take?

If switched to another less aggressive fund now, there could be another round of lost opportunity when the market rebounds. Tough choice...since switching into another less aggresive fund could means taking a longer time to recoup the loss.

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Whatever funds to switch into, even the same fund after pulling out temporary; maybe ponder on this investment strategy with a big sum of money:

1. Don't do one-time lump sum investment.
2. Split it into 2 halves, and invest 50% first.
3. Staggered the other 50% over 5 years.
4. If market behaves normally, then invest 10% each year.
5. If market falls sharply, then do following to take advantage of the steep drop:

Market fell by this much; Invest this much.
10% 10%
15% 22%
20% 30%
30% 13%
40% 12.5%
50% 12.5%

Q: What if market drops less than 10%?
A: It is normal and expected in an aggressive and volatile fund. As seen in recent days, funds can easily lost 1% to 3% in a day. If one can't withstand the volatility, then choose a more conservative fund with lower expected returns.


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post Jan 15 2016, 04:43 PM

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Very exciting times....

My CIMB China is down by 6% and RHB China India is down by 6.2%.

I am not sure how long my heart can take this... biggrin.gif
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post Jan 15 2016, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 15 2016, 04:43 PM)
Very exciting times....

My CIMB China is down by 6% and RHB China India is down by 6.2%.

I am not sure how long my heart can take this... biggrin.gif
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My RHB-OSK China-India Dynamic Growth Fund has down for -9.9%

Whose heart can't take it now! cool2.gif
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 15 2016, 04:30 PM)
Higher volatility = higher risk = higher reward.

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This is very true but also very difficult for some investors to understand. If you ask an average investor, "Would you like to make a potential gain of more than 10% per annum investing in unit trusts?" He will say "Fuyoh, where do I sign up"?

Then tell him, "But in the short run, there could be some bumpy years. You need to ride out the bumps by investing for the long run. So you could make a paper loss of 10% or more in the short run...".

The average investor would say, "Huh.. WTH. I only want the potential gain but I don't want to suffer the potential loss. Can ah?".

Our answer, "Mana boleh. Where got free lunch one in this world? biggrin.gif"
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 15 2016, 04:48 PM)
My RHB-OSK China-India Dynamic Growth Fund has down for -9.9%

Whose heart can't take it now!  cool2.gif
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Well, you can ask Pink Spider to do CPR on you... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 15 2016, 04:51 PM)
Well, you can ask Pink Spider to do CPR on you... rclxms.gif
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He only does CPR to dong gals. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 15 2016, 04:43 PM)
Very exciting times....

My CIMB China is down by 6% and RHB China India is down by 6.2%.

I am not sure how long my heart can take this... biggrin.gif
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