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post Nov 22 2015, 02:43 PM, updated 11y ago

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Learn our national language, you ignorant buffoons!
Fa Abdul
| November 22, 2015

While English is important, so is our national language and no citizen of this country has the excuse not to speak it well.
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?

I call them ignorant buffoons and you should too.

While fluency in our national language is not indicative of a person’s loyalty or love for his or her country, the inability to master one’s own national language does speak volumes of a person’s character.

Two weeks ago, we were shocked with news that 1000 medical graduates gave up on their dreams of becoming doctors despite having completed a two-year housemanship in public hospitals, because they lacked proficiency in English.

While many have blamed our education system for the appalling standard of English among our students and graduates today, we seem to forget that our national language is going down the same longkang too.

Seriously, if it is seen as important for medical doctors to possess a fluency in English in order to do their jobs well, is it not just as important that they have a good command of Bahasa Melayu for the very same reason?

I have met quite a few doctors who are unable to make themselves understood by their patients just as they are unable to understand their patients because of a language barrier.

Without a basic comprehension of either English or Bahasa Melayu, how do doctors ask about the medical histories of their patients so that they are able to recommend the best treatments for them?

Let us not forget, 70 per cent of us are native speakers of Bahasa Melayu – why then are we not making fluency in our national language an important skill to master for medical practitioners as well?

In all honesty, if Bahasa Melayu was made a compulsory subject to pass for our graduates, I foresee many more dropouts in our local universities compared to the number of dropouts today due to the lack of proficiency in English.

This brings me to the recent case of a DAP Member of Parliament who insisted on using English while debating a bill in Parliament despite being rebuked by the Deputy Speaker to speak only Bahasa Melayu.

Why the stubbornness?

While I, myself see no issue in using English in Parliament since our MPs are pandai-pandai belaka (I think-lah) and can comprehend the language, I wonder why it is so difficult to also be able to present one’s arguments in our national language when requested to do so.

In my honest opinion, anyone representing the people should be able to communicate effectively with all levels of communities, thus making the ability to converse well in our national language a priority. How else are you going to listen to the rakyat’s problems if you do not understand them?

Perhaps it is time for us to make the proficiency of our national language one of the fundamentals of citizenship in Malaysia.

I guess that would be the best way to rid this country of ignorant buffoons.
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post Nov 22 2015, 02:44 PM

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I guess he didn't look at mirror lately

Ignorant Buffon lol
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post Nov 22 2015, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 22 2015, 02:44 PM)
I guess he didn't look at mirror lately

Ignorant Buffon lol
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In all honesty, if Bahasa Melayu was made a compulsory subject to pass for our graduates, I foresee many more dropouts in our local universities compared to the number of dropouts today due to the lack of proficiency in English.



????????????????????????????????

not compulsory?
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Malay ke, Eng ke, Chinese ke, Indian ke

Learn so much buat apa? Make it standardized la.. we learn bm and understand our doctor and when we go out to other country to seek for medical care, Tak Boleh faham pula

No point
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 02:43 PM)
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...orant-buffoons/

Learn our national language, you ignorant buffoons!
Fa Abdul
| November 22, 2015

While English is important, so is our national language and no citizen of this country has the excuse not to speak it well.
COMMENT

What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?

I call them ignorant buffoons and you should too.

While fluency in our national language is not indicative of a person’s loyalty or love for his or her country, the inability to master one’s own national language does speak volumes of a person’s character.

Two weeks ago, we were shocked with news that 1000 medical graduates gave up on their dreams of becoming doctors despite having completed a two-year housemanship in public hospitals, because they lacked proficiency in English.

While many have blamed our education system for the appalling standard of English among our students and graduates today, we seem to forget that our national language is going down the same longkang too.

Seriously, if it is seen as important for medical doctors to possess a fluency in English in order to do their jobs well, is it not just as important that they have a good command of Bahasa Melayu for the very same reason?

I have met quite a few doctors who are unable to make themselves understood by their patients just as they are unable to understand their patients because of a language barrier.

Without a basic comprehension of either English or Bahasa Melayu, how do doctors ask about the medical histories of their patients so that they are able to recommend the best treatments for them?

Let us not forget, 70 per cent of us are native speakers of Bahasa Melayu – why then are we not making fluency in our national language an important skill to master for medical practitioners as well?

In all honesty, if Bahasa Melayu was made a compulsory subject to pass for our graduates, I foresee many more dropouts in our local universities compared to the number of dropouts today due to the lack of proficiency in English.

This brings me to the recent case of a DAP Member of Parliament who insisted on using English while debating a bill in Parliament despite being rebuked by the Deputy Speaker to speak only Bahasa Melayu.

Why the stubbornness?

While I, myself see no issue in using English in Parliament since our MPs are pandai-pandai belaka (I think-lah) and can comprehend the language, I wonder why it is so difficult to also be able to present one’s arguments in our national language when requested to do so.

In my honest opinion, anyone representing the people should be able to communicate effectively with all levels of communities, thus making the ability to converse well in our national language a priority. How else are you going to listen to the rakyat’s problems if you do not understand them?

Perhaps it is time for us to make the proficiency of our national language one of the fundamentals of citizenship in Malaysia.

I guess that would be the best way to rid this country of ignorant buffoons.
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Fa Abdul surely a bodo guy. It's important to learn both if you want to survive in bolehland. English as to learn and to convey.. While bahasa to convey only.. medical studies la

But having poor proficiency in English is like working as a barber without knowing which one is the scissors and which one is the comb. Fa Abdul bodo
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QUOTE(crewl227 @ Nov 22 2015, 02:50 PM)
Fa Abdul surely a bodo guy. It's important to learn both if you want to survive in bolehland. English as to learn and to convey.. While bahasa to convey only.. medical studies la

But having poor proficiency in English is like working as a barber without knowing which one is the scissors and which one is the comb. Fa Abdul bodo
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She did say - While English is important, so is our national language and no citizen of this country has the excuse not to speak it well.
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I wish they could just invent a new language and make everyone on earth use it.
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QUOTE(StephMujan @ Nov 22 2015, 02:53 PM)
I wish they could just invent a new language and make everyone on earth use it.
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Esperanto. smile.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

But can't make everyone on earth use it.
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QUOTE(exhauster @ Nov 22 2015, 02:49 PM)
we learn bm and understand our doctor and when we go out to other country to seek for medical care, Tak Boleh faham pula

No point
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 02:53 PM)
She did say - While English is important, so is our national language and no citizen of this country has the excuse not to speak it well.
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I don't agree with that. You can't force people to learn a languagr which is not your mother tongue language.

Since Malaysia is a multiracial country, to reflect its identity, why dont everyone speak Bahasa, Mandarin and tamil?... There you go.. The hypocrisy of each and everyone of us will arise
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 02:54 PM)
Esperanto.  smile.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

But can't make everyone on earth use it.
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So.. When to change from www.moe.gov.my to www.kpendidikan.gov.my

Www.tresuary.gov.my to www.kewangan.gov.my/www.perbendaharaan.gov.my
Feel shame to Malay language?

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QUOTE(crewl227 @ Nov 22 2015, 02:57 PM)
I don't agree with that. You can't force people to learn a languagr which is not your mother tongue language.

Since Malaysia is a multiracial country, to reflect its identity, why dont everyone speak Bahasa, Mandarin and tamil?... There you go.. The hypocrisy of each and everyone of us will arise
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We only have one national language, which is Malay.

I actually agree with most of what she said, not the ignorant buffoons part. smile.gif
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By ignorant Buffoon, I trust she is referring to rempit?
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To that writer. Try go out of Malaysia and see BM can bring you how far? Bagai katak dibawah tempurung. Which language used most at other country?

English or BM? When I go Europe can BM help me when I ask around? You need English you Buffon.
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:04 PM)
To that writer. Try go out of Malaysia and see BM can bring you how far? Bagai katak dibawah tempurung. Which language used most at other country?

English or BM? When I go Europe can BM help me when I ask around? You need English you Buffon.
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Errr...did you read the whole article? She said English is important. But so is our national language.


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As if BM is merely an optional subject in our primary and secondary schools.

But BM is a compulsory subject and we learned it for at least 11 years.

During my Form 5, some Chinese and Indians consistently outscored the Malays in BM, till our BM teacher held a 'chat' with the Malay students in our class. If they expect us to write the "bahasa berbunga-bunga", that's very hard for us to do because we are non-native speaker of BM.

BM is our national language and I respect that. But we have to be practical as well. Truth is the application of BM is very limited in business and science. Not only its usage, the vocabulary is limited as well. I would say the peoples who refuse to recognize the importance of English or refuse to learn a third language are also ignorant as well. They'll complain after refused employment by the private sector and end up leeching in government agencies.

Many of them will say the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, French, Germans, Russians are successful without English. Mind you that the Malaysian heritage, work ethic, culture and history are very different than those countries. Are we one of the kuasa besar dunia? What we have to offer to the world till they have to learn BM to master it?

Guess the writer is one of the many who are impressed by Banglas' ability to speak BM fluently in six months and ready to share his/her tongkat with Banglas.

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:04 PM)
To that writer. Try go out of Malaysia and see BM can bring you how far? Bagai katak dibawah tempurung. Which language used most at other country?

English or BM? When I go Europe can BM help me when I ask around? You need English you Buffon.
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Ignorant Buffon, the writer is. Out National Language is Bahasa Malaysia, not Bahasa Melayu. Now go dai.
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:04 PM)
To that writer. Try go out of Malaysia and see BM can bring you how far? Bagai katak dibawah tempurung. Which language used most at other country?

English or BM? When I go Europe can BM help me when I ask around? You need English you Buffon.
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Lol why u talking about going overseas?
Did you not learn English in Malaysia?
What is the problem for learning our national language?
No need to be superb at it, just enough to converse with kampung people or when go mamak etc..
BM is widely use in Malaysia, so what the fuss.
Even all sciences subject in school is taught in english nowadays. In university too, except UKM.

Topkek all the people talking about this like it is a big issue.
Nobody stopping you to learn any language you want to.
But BM is our national language, and majority of citizen can converse in BM.
So what is the problem?
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QUOTE(HITMAN316 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:05 PM)
As if BM is merely an optional subject in our primary and secondary schools.

But BM is a compulsory subject and we learned it for at least 11 years.

During my Form 5, some Chinese and Indians consistently outscored the Malays in BM, till our BM teacher held a 'chat' with the Malay students in our class. If they expect us to write the "bahasa berbunga-bunga", that's very hard for us to do because we are non-native speaker of BM.

BM is our national language and I respect that. But we have to be practical as well. Truth is the application of BM is very limited in business and science. Not only its usage, the vocabulary is limited as well.

Many of them will say the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, French, Germans, Russians are successful without English. Mind you that the Malaysian heritage, work ethic, culture and history are very different than those countries. Are we one of the kuasa besar dunia? What we have to offer to the world till they have to learn BM to master it?

Guess the writer is one of the many who are impressed by Banglas' ability to speak BM fluently in six months and ready to share his/her tongkat with Banglas.
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QUOTE(lostxkitten @ Nov 22 2015, 03:11 PM)
Lol why u talking about going overseas?
Did you not learn English in Malaysia?
What is the problem for learning our national language?
No need to be superb at it, just enough to converse with kampung people or when go mamak  etc..
BM is widely use in Malaysia, so what the fuss.
Even all sciences subject in school is taught in english nowadays. In university too, except UKM.

Topkek all the people talking about this like it is a big issue.
Nobody stopping you to learn any language you want to.
But BM is our national language, and majority of citizen can converse in BM.
So what is the problem?
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here another idiot. national language, so? not like can bring u anywhere....

so far only govr companies still backward use BM.


others fully english or english+ mandarin or english + others(depending on origin country of the company)
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:04 PM)
To that writer. Try go out of Malaysia and see BM can bring you how far? Bagai katak dibawah tempurung. Which language used most at other country?

English or BM? When I go Europe can BM help me when I ask around? You need English you Buffon.
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Any language is important. The more the merrier. Heck I just used BM couple days ago in an Indonesian grocery shop here in taipei since the shop fellas Chinese was incomprehensible.
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QUOTE(HITMAN316 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:05 PM)
As if BM is merely an optional subject in our primary and secondary schools.

But BM is a compulsory subject and we learned it for at least 11 years.

During my Form 5, some Chinese and Indians consistently outscored the Malays in BM, till our BM teacher held a 'chat' with the Malay students in our class. If they expect us to write the "bahasa berbunga-bunga", that's very hard for us to do because we are non-native speaker of BM.

BM is our national language and I respect that. But we have to be practical as well. Truth is the application of BM is very limited in business and science. Not only its usage, the vocabulary is limited as well. I would say the peoples who refuse to recognize the importance of English or refuse to learn a third language are also ignorant as well. They'll complain after refused employment by the private sector and end up leeching in government agencies.

Many of them will say the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, French, Germans, Russians are successful without English. Mind you that the Malaysian heritage, work ethic, culture and history are very different than those countries. Are we one of the kuasa besar dunia? What we have to offer to the world till they have to learn BM to master it?

Guess the writer is one of the many who are impressed by Banglas' ability to speak BM fluently in six months and ready to share his/her tongkat with Banglas.
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i actually agree with this. just treat it like learning an extra language lah, apa susah?

i dont understand why some of u are talking about using BM overseas, practicality and what not. ego itu tolong simpan sikit, hokey?
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QUOTE(big1 @ Nov 22 2015, 02:47 PM)
In all honesty, if Bahasa Melayu was made a compulsory subject to pass for our graduates, I foresee many more dropouts in our local universities compared to the number of dropouts today due to the lack of proficiency in English.
????????????????????????????????

not compulsory?
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you know a stupid writer when u read this kind of article

yes Fa Abdul is retarded and probably just managed to pass BM anyway.

otherwise she wouldve known those who went uni already passed SPM in which BM is compulsory to pass.

Fa Abdul = fucked up writer.
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just learn malay for unity la...

you guys want malay to accept you guys, but refuse to learn the language....


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only in malaysia doctors need to proficient in english.... i others countries some doctor cant speak in english at all but still manage to treat patient and become a doctor...

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I learned Bm for many years and achieve it..

but where it has bring me to?


nowhere.




when I learn English, Mandarin and Cantonese


it has allowed me to speak to people from different countries.



excel in BM doesn't make u Malaysian enough
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Due to this "controversy", everyone forgets previous national issues.
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:24 PM)
Due to this "controversy", everyone forgets previous national issues.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 03:13 PM)
here another idiot. national language, so? not like can bring u anywhere....

so far only govr companies still backward use BM.
others fully english or english+ mandarin or english + others(depending on origin country of the company)
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So, using BM means backward.
and using English means high keras/well educated/white powah.

HAHAHAHA
GOV = Majority malaysians can understand BM. They use that as formal language only. I think beside BM still got translation to other languages.

But, when you go to any gov agencies. Do they force you to speak BM?
Also, when you go any police station or anywhere, you still can converse in english.
It is just a language, just like singaporean use BM in army as formal. What is the fuss?
You can speak english, nobody is stopping you but our national language is BM.
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:04 PM)
To that writer. Try go out of Malaysia and see BM can bring you how far? Bagai katak dibawah tempurung. Which language used most at other country?

English or BM? When I go Europe can BM help me when I ask around? You need English you Buffon.
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To me the more languages you know the better. English is most important but no language is truly useless. Especially one that >50% of your countrymen speak as a first language.

The red shirt rempits that refuse to learn and are proud of not knowing English are definitely dumb though.


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QUOTE(clock7510935 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:23 PM)
only in malaysia doctors need to proficient in english.... i others countries some doctor cant speak in english at all but still manage to treat patient and become a doctor...
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become bomoh no problem.
what do u call aneurysm and lupus vulgaris in BM?

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QUOTE(HITMAN316 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:05 PM)
As if BM is merely an optional subject in our primary and secondary schools.

But BM is a compulsory subject and we learned it for at least 11 years.

During my Form 5, some Chinese and Indians consistently outscored the Malays in BM, till our BM teacher held a 'chat' with the Malay students in our class. If they expect us to write the "bahasa berbunga-bunga", that's very hard for us to do because we are non-native speaker of BM.

BM is our national language and I respect that. But we have to be practical as well. Truth is the application of BM is very limited in business and science. Not only its usage, the vocabulary is limited as well. I would say the peoples who refuse to recognize the importance of English or refuse to learn a third language are also ignorant as well. They'll complain after refused employment by the private sector and end up leeching in government agencies.

Many of them will say the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, French, Germans, Russians are successful without English. Mind you that the Malaysian heritage, work ethic, culture and history are very different than those countries. Are we one of the kuasa besar dunia? What we have to offer to the world till they have to learn BM to master it?

Guess the writer is one of the many who are impressed by Banglas' ability to speak BM fluently in six months and ready to share his/her tongkat with Banglas.
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this single post, shows how segregated malaysian citizen is...

malay dgn malay, chinese dgn chinese, indian dgn indian....
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I think every Malaysian should know english, malay, mandarin and tamil. I mean, we've lived alongside each other for more than 50 years. Maybe these 4 languages should be compulsory subjects in school. We wouldn't bicker about the usage of language anymore.
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QUOTE(lostxkitten @ Nov 22 2015, 03:26 PM)
So, using BM means backward.
and using English means high keras/well educated/white powah.

HAHAHAHA
GOV = Majority malaysians can understand BM. They use that as formal language only. I think beside BM still got translation to other languages.

But, when you go to any gov agencies. Do they force you to speak BM?
Also, when you go any police station or anywhere, you still can converse in english.
It is just a language, just like singaporean use BM in army as formal. What is the fuss?
You can speak english, nobody is stopping you but our national language is BM.
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yes because its in Malaysia only. Me are not interested to stay Malaysia forever. Thats why I make sure I study hard and graduate, so that I can leave this country forever.

they will say cakap BM la..cakap bahasa omputih buat apa.


maybe u are lucky? bcos I still have to type in BM when report in police station... hmm.gif
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this single post, shows how segregated malaysian citizen is...

malay dgn malay, chinese dgn chinese, indian dgn indian....
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All are egoistic mafaka.
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Kindly explain why is this article written in English instead of Malay.
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I think every Malaysian should know english, malay, mandarin and tamil.  I mean, we've lived alongside each other for more than 50 years. Maybe these 4 languages should be compulsory subjects in school. We wouldn't bicker about the usage of language anymore.
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Agreed with this... Like how the European country has done....
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 03:35 PM)
yes because its in Malaysia only. Me are not interested to stay Malaysia forever. Thats why I make sure I study hard and graduate, so that I can leave this country forever.

they will say cakap BM la..cakap bahasa omputih buat apa.
maybe u are lucky?  bcos I still have to type in BM when report in police station...  hmm.gif
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Of course must type in BM, it is our formal language...
You just dont get it~ Useless talking to you.
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ni lah jenis2 yg die die pun nak defend maruah. sweat.gif

Cannot affect the fact that in international stage English > BM. If lidis, ask bijan to ckp in BM when tokking to Obama la ok? Since u so bangga bout ur maruah. kek
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Don't know if people never read the whole article or they comprehended it differently.

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Of course must type in BM, it is our formal language...
You just dont get it~ Useless talking to you.
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die die still wnat to defend BM



tell me what u achieve learning BM.



I learn because I were forced to.



see the state of our BM now...all end up jadi bahasa rempit
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ni lah jenis2 yg die die pun nak defend maruah. sweat.gif

Cannot affect the fact that in international stage English > BM. If lidis, ask bijan to ckp in BM when tokking to Obama la ok? Since u so bangga bout ur maruah. kek
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As if BM is merely an optional subject in our primary and secondary schools.

But BM is a compulsory subject and we learned it for at least 11 years.

During my Form 5, some Chinese and Indians consistently outscored the Malays in BM, till our BM teacher held a 'chat' with the Malay students in our class. If they expect us to write the "bahasa berbunga-bunga", that's very hard for us to do because we are non-native speaker of BM.

BM is our national language and I respect that. But we have to be practical as well. Truth is the application of BM is very limited in business and science. Not only its usage, the vocabulary is limited as well. I would say the peoples who refuse to recognize the importance of English or refuse to learn a third language are also ignorant as well. They'll complain after refused employment by the private sector and end up leeching in government agencies.

Many of them will say the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, French, Germans, Russians are successful without English. Mind you that the Malaysian heritage, work ethic, culture and history are very different than those countries. Are we one of the kuasa besar dunia? What we have to offer to the world till they have to learn BM to master it?

Guess the writer is one of the many who are impressed by Banglas' ability to speak BM fluently in six months and ready to share his/her tongkat with Banglas.
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super agree in the bolded part. Even BM 'borrow' or derive words from English. Have we seen English 'borrow' or derive words from English? kek

gotta face the truth, English is the go to language in some of the science field.
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http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...orant-buffoons/

Learn our national language, you ignorant buffoons!
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While English is important, so is our national language and no citizen of this country has the excuse not to speak it well.
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?

I call them ignorant buffoons and you should too.

While fluency in our national language is not indicative of a person’s loyalty or love for his or her country, the inability to master one’s own national language does speak volumes of a person’s character.

Two weeks ago, we were shocked with news that 1000 medical graduates gave up on their dreams of becoming doctors despite having completed a two-year housemanship in public hospitals, because they lacked proficiency in English.

While many have blamed our education system for the appalling standard of English among our students and graduates today, we seem to forget that our national language is going down the same longkang too.

Seriously, if it is seen as important for medical doctors to possess a fluency in English in order to do their jobs well, is it not just as important that they have a good command of Bahasa Melayu for the very same reason?

I have met quite a few doctors who are unable to make themselves understood by their patients just as they are unable to understand their patients because of a language barrier.

Without a basic comprehension of either English or Bahasa Melayu, how do doctors ask about the medical histories of their patients so that they are able to recommend the best treatments for them?

Let us not forget, 70 per cent of us are native speakers of Bahasa Melayu – why then are we not making fluency in our national language an important skill to master for medical practitioners as well?

In all honesty, if Bahasa Melayu was made a compulsory subject to pass for our graduates, I foresee many more dropouts in our local universities compared to the number of dropouts today due to the lack of proficiency in English.

This brings me to the recent case of a DAP Member of Parliament who insisted on using English while debating a bill in Parliament despite being rebuked by the Deputy Speaker to speak only Bahasa Melayu.

Why the stubbornness?

While I, myself see no issue in using English in Parliament since our MPs are pandai-pandai belaka (I think-lah) and can comprehend the language, I wonder why it is so difficult to also be able to present one’s arguments in our national language when requested to do so.

In my honest opinion, anyone representing the people should be able to communicate effectively with all levels of communities, thus making the ability to converse well in our national language a priority. How else are you going to listen to the rakyat’s problems if you do not understand them?

Perhaps it is time for us to make the proficiency of our national language one of the fundamentals of citizenship in Malaysia.

I guess that would be the best way to rid this country of ignorant buffoons.
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the prob is not Malaysians cannot speak it. the prob is only certain types of BM accents n slangs are acceptable by certain ppl.

no one goes around saying that "oh Australian English accent is unacceptable. only New York English accent is the right one"

i think we shud learn to embrace the many accents n slangs of BM used by minorities.

We cant all be speaking Malay with a rempit accent.

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I wish they could just invent a new language and make everyone on earth use it.
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English is almost a universal language.

Unless the Malays can come up with some kind of wonderful invention or have the economic clout I see no reason as to why it should override English.

Most fark up in life can be avoided if we could all communicate clearly with one another.

Imagine the wastage of printing different languages around the world. We are talking about globalization today.

In the past most countries are isolated and thus the local language play a part. The sharing of scientific knowledge is in English so to advance you must be proficient in English.
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But which version of BM should we learn?

Even with good grades in BM, I find that in general Malaysians rarely use the BM we learned in school.

You go pasar, they use bahasa pasar, then Malay accuse you for not learning BM.

You talk with rempit, they use their own creation of BM.

You watch/read Malay articles, or Malay shows or news, and found that Malay language used by Malay themselves are mixed or copied English.

Personally Malay should take charge of standardizing BM for everyone, because as of the current trend it seems like they themselves are keep changing their language in order to sound high class.

Most other popular languages are so standardized that it's applicable to anywhere in the world.

However if I were to speak Malay that is taught in school with my Malay peers its as if I'm speaking a foreign language with them. Heck, kelate should be recognize as another country altogether.

Tldr kalo nak kaum lain ckp melayu korang kenalah tetapkan standard yg betul supaya org lain blh ikut. Kalo x jgn slhkan org lain sbb korang pon x fasih bahasa sendiri dlm menetapkan standard yg betul.
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 22 2015, 03:43 PM)
super agree in the bolded part. Even BM 'borrow' or derive words from English. Have we seen English 'borrow' or derive words from English? kek

gotta face the truth, English is the go to language in some of the science field.
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Then help the language to evolve la... Just put other language's word, we dont care...

you know, like kaotim, cincai, taiko....

Its not about business or science... its about unity and social life...


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Having to have to learn a language just because the gomen says it's important? How useful is it in the international level? You don't attract people by forcing people to use it, you attract people to use the language by making it relevant. So far, I only see it's relevance in local gomen office.
People eat soft, not hard. The more you force people to do something, the more the people will not want to.
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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 22 2015, 03:51 PM)
Then help the language to evolve la... Just put other language's word, we dont care...

you know, like kaotim, cincai, taiko....

Its not about business or science... its about unity and social life...
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how far can unity and social life brings us? Compare it to how far can business and science brings us.


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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 22 2015, 03:53 PM)
how far can unity and social life brings us? Compare it to how far can business and science brings us.
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whats the point having good business and science if you dont have a good unity and social life?
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Pls use bm when outside of Msia
C how many ppl will understand u
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Dei just learn languages that people around you use la.

Language is a means of communication. It doesn't matter what language you use as long as the other party understands the message you are conveying.
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QUOTE(lahart @ Nov 22 2015, 03:55 PM)
Pls use bm when in east coast.
C how many ppl will understand u
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just learn n master both malay and english language la noobs..

it's not so hard..you don't have to be very very fluent or have to learn till the core of the language down to the accent aspect and speaking like bangsawan Melayu zaman kesultanan melayu melaka or English natives..
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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 22 2015, 03:55 PM)
whats the point having good business and science if you dont have a good unity and social life?
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Unity and social life can be achieved in other methods. But in business and science, no choice but to use English.

Unity can be achieved with educations, equal rights etc. Social life, it's up to the person la, nak guna bahasa apa. Coz it's their social life.

But when it comes to dealing with business and science thing, better to use English imo.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 22 2015, 04:00 PM)
just learn n master both malay and english language la noobs..

it's not so hard..you don't have to be very very fluent or have to learn till the core of the language down to the accent aspect and speaking like bangsawan Melayu zaman kesultanan melayu melaka or English natives..
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I am fluent in bahasa

where it had bring me to? nowhere
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 02:46 PM)
She, not he.
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Standard Malay or Pasar Malay?

I think many Malays underestimate the literacy of Standard Malay among non-Malays
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 22 2015, 04:00 PM)
just learn n master both malay and english language la noobs..

it's not so hard..you don't have to be very very fluent or have to learn till the core of the language down to the accent aspect and speaking like bangsawan Melayu zaman kesultanan melayu melaka or English natives..
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but problem is, people dont think its malay because it doesnt carry the day to day lingo.

i mean, most of the time i read msgs that use malay, i cant understand a shit, and when a few malay guys get together i also cant understand shit

yet in class i can understand
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 22 2015, 02:55 PM)
It's good also wat ..........

if semua pandai bahasa 1Malaysia and nobody speaks English, then no one can migrate!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

Everyone will stay in this country FOREVER!!  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

And then we can bubarkan TalentCorp.
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malas lah

typical kampung people, name malaysian MUST speak english or malay, you choose to be malaysian? hell no.

what logic is that, taliban.

we have no freedom to choose where we born, but we have freedom to choose what we want in real life.

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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 22 2015, 04:06 PM)
malas lah

typical kampung people, name malaysian MUST speak english, you choose to be malaysian? hell no.

what logic is that, taliban.

we have no freedom to choose where we born, but we have freedom to choose what we want in real life.
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I am fluent in bahasa

where it had bring me to? nowhere
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maybe it didn't get anywhere but it's still knowledge..no loss in gaining any sort of knowledge..
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 22 2015, 04:10 PM)
maybe it didn't get anywhere but it's still knowledge..no loss in gaining any sort of knowledge..
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:11 PM)
not maybe, it does lead me to nowhere.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:11 PM)
not maybe, it does lead me to nowhere.
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come on


same goes to biology chemistry physics

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:11 PM)
not maybe, it does lead me to nowhere.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Nov 22 2015, 03:49 PM)
But which version of BM should we learn?

Even with good grades in BM, I find that in general Malaysians rarely use the BM we learned in school.

You go pasar, they use bahasa pasar, then Malay accuse you for not learning BM.

You talk with rempit, they use their own creation of BM.

You watch/read Malay articles, or Malay shows or news, and found that Malay language used by Malay themselves are mixed or copied English.

Personally Malay should take charge of standardizing BM for everyone, because as of the current trend it seems like they themselves are keep changing their language in order to sound high class.

Most other popular languages are so standardized that it's applicable to anywhere in the world.

However if I were to speak Malay that is taught in school with my Malay peers its as if I'm speaking a foreign language with them. Heck, kelate should be recognize as another country altogether.

Tldr kalo nak kaum lain ckp melayu korang kenalah tetapkan standard yg betul supaya org lain blh ikut. Kalo x jgn slhkan org lain sbb korang pon x fasih bahasa sendiri dlm menetapkan standard yg betul.
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u go to some part in uk and us also sound not like some english u learn in school lah bro.

bahasa pasar is informal bahasa melayu, spoken everywhere outside, not just in pasar.

formal bahasa melayu is use in formal events. just like when u learn other language, like korean and japanese, there are formal and informal version of communicating.

language is always evolving as time goes by. u compare kamus dewan jilid 1 with latest jilid also got many differences.

same with oxford dictionary 1st version with latest version. same goes with all other language around the world. even u talk chinese people nowadays using sia sui. its not even in mandarin dictionary.

malay language. is always standardized. as long you use the malay u learn in school, you can speak malay outside just fine.

bahasa melayu from kelate, ganu, pahang, kedah, penang etc is the localized version of the language. it is accent. u no need to learn those to communicate. just need to adopt. like texas english, irish english, uk english, aussie english canadian english. heck, even english got a lot of accent. u went to talk normal english with rednecks its as if u speak foreign language with them. tongue.gif
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Joe mamak's daily routine
8am : bangun, buat kopi, go news site copy and paste news
10am : berak, go news site, copy and paste news. but this time bold some of the words
12noon: makan lunch alone
2pm: f5 f5 for news. copy and paste news. also, become moral police in k. give generic advice.
4pm: tidur, dream about latest news
6pm: reply news tereds he copied. cry when got zero replies.
8pm: eat dinner alone, sambil baca newspaper
10pm: besihkan keyboard and mouse.
12am: pray to newsgods for more news tomorrow.
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QUOTE(ganz @ Nov 22 2015, 03:00 PM)
So.. When to change from www.moe.gov.my to www.kpendidikan.gov.my

Www.tresuary.gov.my to www.kewangan.gov.my/www.perbendaharaan.gov.my
Feel shame to Malay language?
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Www.
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QUOTE(jonny4 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:43 PM)
the prob is not Malaysians cannot speak it. the prob is only certain types of BM accents n slangs are acceptable by certain ppl.

no one goes around saying that "oh Australian English accent is unacceptable. only New York English accent is the right one"

i think we shud learn to embrace the many accents n slangs of BM used by minorities.

We cant all be speaking Malay with a rempit accent.
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eh eh bodo. Who asked you to speak rempit language? You see Indonesian scholars, or even those foreigner who took Malay study, they speak in a very nice language. If people hate BM because of the way rempit speak Malay, then both of them are stupid. I really hate DBP because they too laid back & do nothing causing Malay going down to longkang as the author said. Maybe we should make Anwar PM, so he can go back make the use of BM more strict.

Malay is, as far as I know, is the easiest language to learn. It's a combination of multiple languages, thus foreign tongue are familiar with the language. You can say it's the Esperanto of ancient days, the difference is that it was used.
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but i can talk both
so i get MP post + directorial post at x100 GLCs sit home goncang telur wait allowances anot?
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joe_mamak I am not interested .

kerolzarmyfanboy good but I interested in other language also, but not BM


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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:24 PM)
joe_mamak I am not interested .

kerolzarmyfanboy good but I interested in other language also, but not BM
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Why? What's wrong with the language?
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u go to some part in uk and us also sound not like some english u learn in school lah bro.

bahasa pasar is informal bahasa melayu, spoken everywhere outside, not just in pasar.

formal bahasa melayu is use in formal events. just like when u learn other language, like korean and japanese, there are formal and informal version of communicating.

language is always evolving as time goes by. u compare kamus dewan jilid 1 with latest jilid also got many differences.

same with oxford dictionary 1st version with latest version. same goes with all other language around the world. even u talk chinese people nowadays using sia sui. its not even in mandarin dictionary.

malay language. is always standardized. as long you use the malay u learn in school, you can speak malay outside just fine.

bahasa melayu from kelate, ganu, pahang, kedah, penang etc is the localized version of the language. it is accent. u no need to learn those to communicate. just need to adopt. like texas english, irish english, uk english, aussie english canadian english. heck, even english got a lot of accent. u went to talk normal english with rednecks its as if u speak foreign language with them. tongue.gif
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If that is the case, Malay can't accuse non Malay unable to converse in BM.

Most of us that spent 11 years in national school are able to converse in BM just fine. We just not equipped to converse in various native slangs like the native Malay do.

And by that logic, non Malay can't be accused of putting English because most of us can't speak Queen English with an Cockney accent.
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Nov 22 2015, 04:25 PM)
Why? What's wrong with the language?
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bcos now its divided to

bahasa pasar

bahasa rempit



so it cut off my interest in bm already, so no way


but still I speak BM as I have no choice, but i make sure I speak english or other language only
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:24 PM)
joe_mamak I am not interested .

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Fine.

I don't mind using BM. I actually wish I had a better command of it.

I don't see what is the problem, at least for me.

I am older but I will continue to make an effort.

I will also try to improve on my Mandarin.

I don't see why I have to limit myself like it is beyond my abilities.

Some just refuse to. Not that they can't.

That's some of the people the writer is referring to.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 03:24 PM)
I learned Bm for many years and achieve it..

but where it has bring me to?
nowhere.
when I learn English, Mandarin and Cantonese
it has allowed me to speak to people from different countries.
excel in BM doesn't make u Malaysian enough
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TPPA coming, English would be the better choice, no?

English = upper management white collar work.

BM = factory worker.
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Nov 22 2015, 04:22 PM)
eh eh bodo. Who asked you to speak rempit language? You see Indonesian scholars, or even those foreigner who took Malay study, they speak in a very nice language. If people hate BM because of the way rempit speak Malay, then both of them are stupid. I really hate DBP because they too laid back & do nothing causing Malay going down to longkang as the author said. Maybe we should make Anwar PM, so he can go back make the use of BM more strict.

Malay is, as far as I know, is the easiest language to learn. It's a combination of multiple languages, thus foreign tongue are familiar with the language. You can say it's the Esperanto of ancient days, the difference is that it was used.
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i din even read past the question mark. not worth my time really.

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 04:30 PM)
Fine. 

I don't mind using BM.  I actually wish I had a better command of it.

I don't see what is the problem, at least for me. 

I am older but I will continue to make an effort. 

I will also try to improve on my Mandarin. 

I don't see why I have to limit myself like it is beyond my abilities. 

Some just refuse to.  Not that they can't. 

That's some of the people the writer is referring to.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Nov 22 2015, 04:26 PM)
If that is the case, Malay can't accuse non Malay unable to converse in BM.

Most of us that spent 11 years in national school are able to converse in BM just fine. We just not equipped to converse in various native slangs like the native Malay do.

And by that logic, non Malay can't be accused of putting English because most of us can't speak Queen English with an Cockney accent.
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dude, nobody accuse u if u cannot speak like kelantanese, terengganu, perak, kedah and so on. u think selangor's malay can speak kelantan slang? sabah slang? U think kelatanese can speak like perak slang?

nobody gonna get angry with u if u cannot speak the slang lah. there states also the local will understand normal malay because they learn the same thing in school. just like china implementing mandarin to whole china as national language. they dont write their bahasa melayu spm paper in bahase kelate with kelate slang to get A.

nobody is going to blame u for speaking malay imperfectly. dont be like the idiot mp who cant even speak bahasa melayu in parlimen and want to cover it up by "practicing his right" to speak in english
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 22 2015, 04:31 PM)
Knowing BM is not about excelling in anything.  It just your obligation as being the citizen of that nation.
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haih, nampaknya saya tidak boleh mengelak daripada bercakap bahasa melayu....haih sad
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:29 PM)
bcos now its divided to

bahasa pasar

bahasa rempit
so it cut off my interest in bm already, so no way
but still I speak BM as I have no choice, but i make sure I speak english or other language only
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Why do you need to speak it in bahasa pasar & rempit if you can speak it normally like in the 90s? doh.gif
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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Nov 22 2015, 04:36 PM)
Why do you need to speak it in bahasa pasar & rempit if you can speak it normally like in the 90s? doh.gif
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affected by it... thats why


ok lah..tamau gaduh lagi


I am tired....
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:29 PM)
bcos now its divided to

bahasa pasar

bahasa rempit
so it cut off my interest in bm already, so no way
but still I speak BM as I have no choice, but i make sure I speak english or other language only
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if say lidis, english oso got hipster language.

English Hipster = bahasa rempit

example of hipster vocab - devo, lol, my bad, rack (boob), chillax, yolo, fomo

I am not against learning BM, I'll learn it for the sake of knowledge. But the importance of BM, is only seen inside of Malaysia. While for international affairs regarding business and science, better stick to English imo.
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 22 2015, 04:38 PM)
if say lidis, english oso got hipster language.

English Hipster = bahasa rempit

example of hipster vocab - devo, lol, my bad, rack (boob), chillax, yolo, fomo

I am not against learning BM, I'll learn it for the sake of knowledge. But the importance of BM, is only seen inside of Malaysia. While for international affairs regarding business and science, better stick to English imo.
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at least its readable.


here:


aqew , titew, kenapew...and list bahasa rempit u can remember here
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Nov 22 2015, 04:35 PM)
dude, nobody accuse u if u cannot speak like kelantanese, terengganu, perak, kedah and so on. u think selangor's malay can speak kelantan slang? sabah slang? U think kelatanese can speak like perak slang?

nobody gonna get angry with u if u cannot speak the slang lah. there states also the local will understand normal malay because they learn the same thing in school. just like china implementing mandarin to whole china as national language. they dont write their bahasa melayu spm paper in bahase kelate with kelate slang to get A.

nobody is going to blame u for speaking malay imperfectly. dont be like the idiot mp who cant even speak bahasa melayu in parlimen and want to cover it up by "practicing his right" to speak in english
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That isn't the case though. My Malay teacher actually taught us to write essays in bahasa berbunga bunga as to excel in BM SPM. He mentioned that rural Malay teacher might fail non Malay students just because they don't write essays like native Malay do.

Deswai we have to learn how to spell assalamualakum and other strictly native Malay style writing as a trick\plus point to excel or pass SPM.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:38 PM)
affected by it... thats why
ok lah..tamau gaduh lagi
I am tired....
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If everyone just give up on the language and let the rempit & bangla take over for sure they'll win. We should "kill" them little by little.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Nov 22 2015, 04:43 PM)
That isn't the case though. My Malay teacher actually taught us to write essays in bahasa berbunga bunga as to excel in BM SPM. He mentioned that rural Malay teacher might fail non Malay students just because they don't write essays like native Malay do.

Deswai we have to learn how to spell assalamualakum and other strictly native Malay style writing as a trick\plus point to excel or pass SPM.
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Yes, your teacher was good and smart. smile.gif
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:40 PM)
at least its readable.
here:
aqew , titew, kenapew...and list bahasa rempit u can remember here
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well, if u noe bm, it's not that hard to understand.

aqew - aku
titew - itu?
kenapew - kenapa.

and this usually juz used in text messages and whatsapp, if u speak normal malay, they still still understand u, so i dun c the main problem. both side still able to communicate in normal bm. Unless this aqew, titew, kenapew is used in formal occassion, then I see a problem.

It's just like english slang lo, got Irish slang, Canada slang etc. If u understand normal English, high chance u will understand what they are saying. And both side still able to communicate in normal english.

I think the thing to debate here is the importance and benefits of BM and English. And in what field which language is more important.

whether u wan to learn or not, that is up to each and everyone's personal preference.

as for me, I'll still learn BM, coz the more language u noe, the more benefits it bring to u. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(smarty pants @ Nov 22 2015, 02:44 PM)
Joe mamak's daily routine
8am : bangun, buat kopi, go news site copy and paste news
10am : berak, go news site, copy and paste news. but this time bold some of the words
12noon: makan lunch alone
2pm: f5 f5 for news. copy and paste news. also, become moral police in k. give generic advice.
4pm: tidur, dream about latest news
6pm: reply news tereds he copied. cry when got zero replies.
8pm: eat dinner alone, sambil baca newspaper
10pm: besihkan keyboard and mouse.
12am: pray to newsgods for more news tomorrow.
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Yes, your teacher was good and smart.  smile.gif
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I guess it's important to hide the fact that most of us in Chinese SMK have to change our BM writing style to pass SPM hahaha.


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Kutuk orang lain tak guna BM, tapi tulis semua in dengan english, nampak tak the bodohan tahap dewa ni?

Rasa nak bagi sharp shooter (wrestling move) and sabun kat mulut dia.
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since when melei nowadays can speak BM? All come out bahasa rempit crap also.
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Nov 22 2015, 05:04 PM)
since when melei nowadays can speak BM? All come out bahasa rempit crap also.
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QUOTE(smarty pants @ Nov 22 2015, 02:44 PM)
Joe mamak's daily routine
8am : bangun, buat kopi, go news site copy and paste news
10am : berak, go news site, copy and paste news. but this time bold some of the words
12noon: makan lunch alone
2pm: f5 f5 for news. copy and paste news. also, become moral police in k. give generic advice.
4pm: tidur, dream about latest news
6pm: reply news tereds he copied. cry when got zero replies.
8pm: eat dinner alone, sambil baca newspaper
10pm: besihkan keyboard and mouse.
12am: pray to newsgods for more news tomorrow.
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well done laugh.gif
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Man, discussion quality in /k better than rwi. Kek
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BM is very useful when im in a meeting room with foreigners and i need to tell my colleagues things that i dun want the foreigners to know laugh.gif
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in the spirit of unity, everything, even language, becomes a tool to unite, but when ppl like Fa who wants to disunite ppl, everything becomes a tool to separate ppl
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Tak habis2 berbalah mengenai perkara ini. Just master both bm and bi for fark sake. Bm because you are farking malaysian, bi because you farking need it. Ok?
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Yeah thats goes to u! IGNORANT BUFFOONS
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This fa abdulah is an ignorant scum. If u so proud with bm, why not write the article in bm?

I bet the notorious alvin tan can write better bm than u.

To this ignorant fa, dont shame yourzelf anymore. Bm is already compulsory In spm.

how far your Bm can bring u? Try talk to an arab and see how he respond?
Even arab speak english to u.

My arab friend despise bm. He can survive here for 8 years only using english. He refuse to learn bm.

How many malaysian cannot speak bm in malaysia?

In case u are ignorant, speaking bm is already requirement to apply pr & citizenship.

Bm is only limited here. Not even in indon. English can bring you anywhere.

For info, my bm in spm was better than even many native speaker.
and those tatabahasa cant bring me anywhere.
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actually should blame own malay terengganu and kelantan speak worst malay
i cannot hear that they say sometime
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I did learn in school, failed though.
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 22 2015, 05:26 PM)
This fa abdulah is an ignorant scum. If u so proud with bm, why not write the article in bm?

I bet the notorious alvin tan can write better bm than u.

To this ignorant fa, dont shame yourzelf anymore. Bm is already compulsory In spm.

how far your Bm can bring u? Try talk to an arab and see how he respond?
Even arab speak english to u.

My arab friend despise bm. He can survive here for 8 years only using english. He refuse to learn bm.

How many malaysian cannot speak bm in malaysia?

In case u are ignorant, speaking bm is already requirement to apply pr & citizenship.

Bm is only limited here. Not even in indon. English can bring you anywhere.

For info, my bm in spm was better than even many native speaker.
and those tatabahasa cant bring me anywhere.
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The article is perfectly targeted to the audience. So siapa yang makan cili, dialah yang terasa pedas.

Is not about how far or irrelevant BM in the international level. It is about your obligation as the citizen of the nation. That's it. Nothing more,nothing less.

It is like an american who don't speak English. As simple as that.
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Lim Koh Thong also dun know malay,.. but he's richer than u,.. he contribute to malaysia development more than u....
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 22 2015, 05:26 PM)
This fa abdulah is an ignorant scum. If u so proud with bm, why not write the article in bm?

I bet the notorious alvin tan can write better bm than u.

To this ignorant fa, dont shame yourzelf anymore. Bm is already compulsory In spm.

how far your Bm can bring u? Try talk to an arab and see how he respond?
Even arab speak english to u.

My arab friend despise bm. He can survive here for 8 years only using english. He refuse to learn bm.

How many malaysian cannot speak bm in malaysia?

In case u are ignorant, speaking bm is already requirement to apply pr & citizenship.

Bm is only limited here. Not even in indon. English can bring you anywhere.

For info, my bm in spm was better than even many native speaker.
and those tatabahasa cant bring me anywhere.
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The apply Malaysian or pr criteria is for foreigners, not Malaysians.
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I agree with the writer

It's not just about the ah beng srjkc type..but those pesky mamat and minah rempits too


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I agree with the writer

It's not just about the ah beng srjkc type..but those pesky mamat and minah rempits too
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just make sure they fail the exam then.

what is the point of exam if it doesnt reflect the reality?
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this fa abdul is just another mamak who feels that she need to speak her mind on unnecessary issues.
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QUOTE(big1 @ Nov 22 2015, 05:34 PM)
just make sure they fail the exam then.

what is the point of exam if it doesnt reflect the reality?
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The English language can have many street/urban lingo which cannot be apply in the exam though.
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 22 2015, 05:26 PM)
This fa abdulah is an ignorant scum. If u so proud with bm, why not write the article in bm?

I bet the notorious alvin tan can write better bm than u.

To this ignorant fa, dont shame yourzelf anymore. Bm is already compulsory In spm.

how far your Bm can bring u? Try talk to an arab and see how he respond?
Even arab speak english to u.

My arab friend despise bm. He can survive here for 8 years only using english. He refuse to learn bm.

How many malaysian cannot speak bm in malaysia?

In case u are ignorant, speaking bm is already requirement to apply pr & citizenship.

Bm is only limited here. Not even in indon. English can bring you anywhere.

For info, my bm in spm was better than even many native speaker.
and those tatabahasa cant bring me anywhere.
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She never say that BM is more important..she say both important

But she point out that as citizen you need to know as this is a common basic language that you need to know to communicate with all levels and she give examples like our mp and doctors

Why so butthurt? Chill bro


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QUOTE(big1 @ Nov 22 2015, 02:47 PM)
In all honesty, if Bahasa Melayu was made a compulsory subject to pass for our graduates, I foresee many more dropouts in our local universities compared to the number of dropouts today due to the lack of proficiency in English.
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not compulsory?
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not compulsory in universities.

QUOTE(crewl227 @ Nov 22 2015, 02:50 PM)
Fa Abdul surely a bodo guy. It's important to learn both if you want to survive in bolehland. English as to learn and to convey.. While bahasa to convey only.. medical studies la

But having poor proficiency in English is like working as a barber without knowing which one is the scissors and which one is the comb. Fa Abdul bodo
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QUOTE(Churuman @ Nov 22 2015, 02:56 PM)
Must be an umno macai from the way she implies dap chinese cant speak bm well
Meanwhile many rempit using bahasa rempit
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Seriously?

Why some of you are attacking her for points she didn't even raise?

Is it poor comprehension?

Or didn't read the article in its entirety?

Or some of you perasan the ignorant buffoon remark so much that you just want to hentam back?

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lol this again.

language is a tool which should left up to each individual to learn and not forced else be scorned.

I only see this scorning happening in this insecure clan of people.
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 22 2015, 05:37 PM)
She never say that BM is more important..she say both important

But she point out that as citizen you need to know as this is a common basic language that you need to know to communicate with all levels and she give examples like our mp and doctors

Why so butthurt? Chill bro
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Yes. The point is straight simple. Being the citizen of that nation, and practice the language of it.

But many feel defensive about it, and start giving crap about how irrelevant BM in the business, international level. That is not even the point.


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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 22 2015, 03:39 PM)
ni lah jenis2 yg die die pun nak defend maruah. sweat.gif

Cannot affect the fact that in international stage English > BM. If lidis, ask bijan to ckp in BM when tokking to Obama la ok? Since u so bangga bout ur maruah. kek
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lol this again.

language is a tool which should left up to each individual to learn and not forced else be scorned.

I only see this scorning happening in this insecure clan of people.
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Lim Koh Thong also dun know malay,.. but he's richer than u,.. he contribute to malaysia development more than u....
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Duit haram...
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 05:39 PM)
Seriously?

Why some of you are attacking her for points she didn't even raise? 

Is it poor comprehension?

Or didn't read the article in its entirety? 

Or some of you perasan the ignorant buffoon remark so much that you just want to hentam back?
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Kan? I think the article target audience is spot on. That is why she wrote it in english. laugh.gif
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As for those who are not competent enough to go international yet cant speak BM... mati...
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 05:39 PM)
Seriously?

Why some of you are attacking her for points she didn't even raise? 

Is it poor comprehension?

Or didn't read the article in its entirety? 

Or some of you perasan the ignorant buffoon remark so much that you just want to hentam back?
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They hate BM and anything Malay... for them it is "no dogs and Malays". Bunch of chauvinist.
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The apply Malaysian or pr criteria is for foreigners, not Malaysians.
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Duit haram...
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For ur info, many older generation chinese and indian still keep red mykad because cannot pass the language test.
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Yet, many newer generation are seeking equality among races, but not even bother to practice the language of the nation. A true citizen?
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I was under the impression it was compulsory to pass BM to get a degree, regardless of whether it was credit-transfer. At least that's how it was in my university.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 05:39 PM)
Seriously?

Why some of you are attacking her for points she didn't even raise? 

Is it poor comprehension?

Or didn't read the article in its entirety? 

Or some of you perasan the ignorant buffoon remark so much that you just want to hentam back?
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OK, idiots, afterall being said and done, still non-malays can speak 1 or 2 more language than malays.
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Yet, many newer generation are seeking equality among races, but not even bother to practice the language of the nation. A true citizen?
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newer generation most can converse in bahasa.
older generation cant blame them cause lack of education many years ago
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 22 2015, 05:47 PM)
newer generation most can converse in bahasa.
older generation cant blame them cause lack of education many years ago
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Good for those newer generation who can converse and practice the language. No issue there.

For the elder generation, also no issue with them.
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OK, idiots, afterall being said and done, still non-malays can speak 1 or 2 more language than malays.
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how is this an issue of non-malays v malays?
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OK, idiots, afterall being said and done, still non-malays can speak 1 or 2 more language than malays.
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Good for them. But that is not even the point. It is not how many language you can master. It is about the language that you cannot speak and practice for being the citizen. Now, that is true idiot.
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if language belong to all malaysian, why rename bahasa malaysia ....
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Well, as long as you are able to speak bm properly is good enough.
I see indonesian chinese speak indonesian like a local. So terkejut.
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just learn malay for unity la...

you guys want malay to accept you guys, but refuse to learn the language....
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Why would they want acceptance from them? Would they share tongkat?
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Joe mamak's daily routine
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QUOTE(olay biscuit barrel @ Nov 22 2015, 06:11 PM)
Why would they want acceptance from them? Would they share tongkat?
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why should we share tongkat? since the simple request of learning bahasa oso dunwan?

look at mamakthir and indon, willing to use bahasa, now they are getting the tongkat...
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 03:05 PM)
Errr...did you read the whole article?  She said English is important.  But so is our national language.
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Why? They choose the national language whithout really taking into consideration the racial makeup of the country, the history of the country, and the economics of our country, the reason why BM is the sole national language in Malaysia is because the malay nationalists wanted to shove their power down everyone's throat.

I agree that it is important to know BM, since a large number of malaysians are only able to speak BM, but saying that one should learn BM just because it is the national language is really fucking stupid.
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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 22 2015, 06:16 PM)
why should we share tongkat? since the simple request of learning bahasa oso dunwan?

look at mamakthir and indon, willing to use bahasa, now they are getting the tongkat...
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Learning the language for national cohesion is admirable.
Acceptance? Why?

Malaysians are malaysians, regardless of race, color or creed.
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:18 PM)
Why? They choose the national language whithout really taking into consideration the racial makeup of the country, the history of the country, and the economics of our country, the reason why BM is the sole national language in Malaysia is because the malay nationalists wanted to shove their power down everyone's throat.

I agree that it is important to know BM, since a large number of malaysians are only able to speak BM, but saying that one should learn BM just because it is the national language is really fucking stupid.
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I disagree. If a nation divided by race & religion can find common ground, that would be the language.

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I disagree. If a nation divided by race & religion can find common ground, that would be the language.
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1998, indonesia

your move
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:18 PM)
Why? They choose the national language whithout really taking into consideration the racial makeup of the country, the history of the country, and the economics of our country, the reason why BM is the sole national language in Malaysia is because the malay nationalists wanted to shove their power down everyone's throat.

I agree that it is important to know BM, since a large number of malaysians are only able to speak BM, but saying that one should learn BM just because it is the national language is really fucking stupid.
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Don't see why it is stupid [could you please stop using the f word?].

One of the reasons why BM was adopted is so that everyone could communicate with each other. BM is a good choice for that.


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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 22 2015, 05:49 PM)
Good for those newer generation who can converse and practice the language. No issue there.

For the elder generation, also no issue with them.
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There is actually no issue.

I do agree that those born here after merdeka still cannot speak bahasa, something wrong somewhere.

But this ignorant writer critics others who dont use bahasa.
truth is, people dont use bahasa all the time. And in some cases, they cannot use.

communication between 2 people can not be dictated to be only in bahasa.

Example: A chinese educated malay might want to speak mandarin to me. An indian may want to speak english to me.
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:18 PM)
Why? They choose the national language whithout really taking into consideration the racial makeup of the country, the history of the country, and the economics of our country, the reason why BM is the sole national language in Malaysia is because the malay nationalists wanted to shove their power down everyone's throat.

I agree that it is important to know BM, since a large number of malaysians are only able to speak BM, but saying that one should learn BM just because it is the national language is really fucking stupid.
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One of the reasons why BM was adopted is so that everyone could communicate with each other.  BM is a good choice for that.
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English would've been a better choice if that was their intention.

I reckon it takes more effort to convert all the english medium schools to malay schools, all the government documents to malay, change all the english street names to malay, then it is to expand on our existing system.


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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:21 PM)
Don't see why it is stupid [could you please stop using the f word?].

One of the reasons why BM was adopted is so that everyone could communicate with each other.  BM is a good choice for that.
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force people to learn english, since they can force ppl to accept their idiot arabic culture and force us to learn bm
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:27 PM)
English would've been a better choice if that was their intention.

I reckon it takes more effort to convert all the english medium schools to malay schools, all the government documents to malay, change all the english street names to malay, then it is to expand on our existing system.
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Back then, I doubt the pondok schooling system or the Chinese and Tamil vernacular schools were ready to shift to Malay or English for that matter. Hence things remained the way they were until the 70s.
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:21 PM)
1998, indonesia

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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:18 PM)
Why? They choose the national language whithout really taking into consideration the racial makeup of the country, the history of the country, and the economics of our country, the reason why BM is the sole national language in Malaysia is because the malay nationalists wanted to shove their power down everyone's throat.

I agree that it is important to know BM, since a large number of malaysians are only able to speak BM, but saying that one should learn BM just because it is the national language is really fucking stupid.
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Wait, then that's not much different from mexican immigrants in the US?
But i thought even mexican immigrants there need to speak English.
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QUOTE(olay biscuit barrel @ Nov 22 2015, 06:18 PM)
Learning the language for national cohesion is admirable.
Acceptance? Why?

Malaysians are malaysians, regardless of race, color or creed.
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but how you can you say "Malaysians are malaysians, regardless of race, color or creed." if people are not duduk lepak together at mamak/warung/coffee house due to language barrier?
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Whats the issue here, kena cakap malay in parliament only, susah sgt?

Yeah english is important, but to understand and speak your national language is equally important.

All thos bodo singapork wannabe should look at singapore now, their people dont have any distinct culture these days, semua ang moh wanna be.

Later when ang moh take over their jobs they complain.

This thing also become an issue, DAP should tone down their arrogance lah, respect the parliament, this is not something to be taken lightly.

DAP will go nowhere if they refuse to speak a language of the majority rakyat.

U think malay will vote DAP kah if they see DAP ignore malay and focus more on chineese and english?

Unecessary move with nothing to gain, again another bodo move making us losing the support of rakyat.

DAP really want to make us lose ke? Are they working silently with UMNO to raise stupid issue like this?

All those bodo kata english important, economic using english, etc. Your comments are the best indication of your lack of understanding and ignorance, we are only talking about parliament coversation here, not about daily conversation.

DAP should be aware that they will lose support from MALAYS if they continue like this..

I fear for our future, pkr and pas should do something about this lose cannon DAP

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 06:27 PM)
force people to learn english, since they can force ppl to accept their idiot arabic culture and force us to learn bm
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It would have been good if we had both.

Seems some of your frustration is leading you take it out on BM, the language.
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 22 2015, 06:29 PM)
Whats the issue here, kena cakap malay in parliament only, susah sgt?

Yeah english is important, but to understand and speak your national language is equally important.

All thos bodo singapork wannabe should look at singapore now, their people dont have any distinct culture these days, semua ang moh wanna be.

Later when ang moh take over their jobs they complain.

This thing also become an issue, DAP should tone down their arrogance lah, respect the parliament, this is not something to be taken lightly.

DAP will go nowhere if they refuse to speak a language of the majority rakyat.

U think malay will vote DAP kah if they see DAP ignore malay and focus more on chineese and english?

Unecessary move with nothing to gain, again another bodo move making us losing the support of rakyat.

DAP really want to make us lose ke? Are they working silently with UMNO to raise stupid issue like this?

All those bodo kata english important, economic using english, etc. Your comments are the best indication of your lack of understanding and ignorance, we are only talking about parliament coversation here, not about daily conversation.

DAP should be aware that they will lose support from MALAYS if they continue like this..

I fear for our future, pkr and pas should do something about this lose cannon DAP
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boleh advice me"? btw can deregister myself as DAP member right?

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Whats the issue here, kena cakap malay in parliament only, susah sgt?

Yeah english is important, but to understand and speak your national language is equally important.

All thos bodo singapork wannabe should look at singapore now, their people dont have any distinct culture these days, semua ang moh wanna be.

Later when ang moh take over their jobs they complain.

This thing also become an issue, DAP should tone down their arrogance lah, respect the parliament, this is not something to be taken lightly.

DAP will go nowhere if they refuse to speak a language of the majority rakyat.

U think malay will vote DAP kah if they see DAP ignore malay and focus more on chineese and english?

Unecessary move with nothing to gain, again another bodo move making us losing the support of rakyat.

DAP really want to make us lose ke? Are they working silently with UMNO to raise stupid issue like this?

All those bodo kata english important, economic using english, etc. Your comments are the best indication of your lack of understanding and ignorance, we are only talking about parliament coversation here, not about daily conversation.

DAP should be aware that they will lose support from MALAYS if they continue like this..

I fear for our future, pkr and pas should do something about this lose cannon DAP
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The DAP MP was trying to make a point as far as Sarawak and Sabah is concerned.

DAP MPs over in West Malaysia are all using Malay in Parliament.
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QUOTE(Gentleblueroses @ Nov 22 2015, 06:28 PM)
Wait, then that's not much different from mexican immigrants in the US?
But i thought even mexican immigrants there need to speak English.
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There are tons of mexicans in the US that doesn't speak english, and the governments there are actually adopting to the situation by hiring more staff that speak spanish, and the businesses there are also starting to use more spanish to cater to the spanish speaking population. FYI, america doesn't have an official language.

Also, it is completely different from the mexicans in america situation, the mexicans went to America when America was already a established country with a long history and its own culture. The Chinese and indians were in Malaysia even before malaysia was a thing, and they came during the time when English was the language of government, not malay. That only changed after the malay nationalists gained power.
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That stupid sohai DAP mp should just leave Msia. Same goes to a lot of sohais who don't know how to speak BM. Hei sohais u not welcome here. This is Malaysia, not englandsia or chinasia or indiansia. Lu tak suka...
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:29 PM)
It would have been good if we had both. 

Seems some of your frustration is leading you take it out on BM, the language.
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QUOTE(chisel_bloke @ Nov 22 2015, 06:32 PM)
Lol 😂

That stupid sohai DAP mp should just leave Msia. Same goes to a lot of sohais who don't know how to speak BM. Hei sohais u not welcome here. This is Malaysia, not englandsia or chinasia or indiansia. Lu tak suka...
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:28 PM)
Back then, I doubt the pondok schooling system or the Chinese and Tamil vernacular schools were ready to shift to Malay or English for that matter.  Hence things remained the way they were until the 70s.
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I didn't saying anything about the chinese or tamil schools.
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Lol 😂

That stupid sohai DAP mp should just leave Msia. Same goes to a lot of sohais who don't know how to speak BM. Hei sohais u not welcome here. This is Malaysia, not englandsia or chinasia or indiansia. Lu tak suka...
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I didn't saying anything about the chinese or tamil schools.
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Wait, then that's not much different from mexican immigrants in the US?
But i thought even mexican immigrants there need to speak English.
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Mexican immigrants are inferior people. So they need to learn US English, language of superior people. Superior races in Malaysia need not learn Malay, language of inferior people. They need only learn English, language of superior people.

/tldr
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 22 2015, 05:42 PM)
For ur info, many older generation chinese and indian still keep red mykad because cannot pass the language test.
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nope.........that's not the reason.

what's the nationality of a baby ? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 22 2015, 05:37 PM)
She never say that BM is more important..she say both important

But she point out that as citizen you need to know as this is a common basic language that you need to know to communicate with all levels and she give examples like our mp and doctors

Why so butthurt? Chill bro
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"What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?

I call them ignorant buffoons and you should too."

To tell u the truth, my grandmother born before ww2. Until today she is illeterate. She knows only a few pasar word.
should i call her ignorant?


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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:32 PM)
There are tons of mexicans in the US that doesn't speak english, and the governments there are actually adopting to the situation by hiring more staff that speak spanish, and the businesses there are also starting to use more spanish to cater to the spanish speaking population. FYI, america doesn't have an official language.

Also, it is completely different from the mexicans in america situation, the mexicans went to America when America was already a established country with a long history and its own culture. The Chinese and indians were in Malaysia even before malaysia was a thing, and they came during the time when English was the language of government, not malay. That only changed after the malay nationalists gained power.
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What if we make learning all the 4 languages in Malaysia as compulsory instead, but malay remains as the national language. So if Malaysians are able to grasp all the languages properly, including English, the issue of malay being the national language will not be a problem? Since it does not tamper with one's ability to converse and comprehend English.
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Whats the issue here, kena cakap malay in parliament only, susah sgt?

Yeah english is important, but to understand and speak your national language is equally important.

All thos bodo singapork wannabe should look at singapore now, their people dont have any distinct culture these days, semua ang moh wanna be.

Later when ang moh take over their jobs they complain.

This thing also become an issue, DAP should tone down their arrogance lah, respect the parliament, this is not something to be taken lightly.

DAP will go nowhere if they refuse to speak a language of the majority rakyat.

U think malay will vote DAP kah if they see DAP ignore malay and focus more on chineese and english?

Unecessary move with nothing to gain, again another bodo move making us losing the support of rakyat.

DAP really want to make us lose ke? Are they working silently with UMNO to raise stupid issue like this?

All those bodo kata english important, economic using english, etc. Your comments are the best indication of your lack of understanding and ignorance, we are only talking about parliament coversation here, not about daily conversation.

DAP should be aware that they will lose support from MALAYS if they continue like this..

I fear for our future, pkr and pas should do something about this lose cannon DAP
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Yes.  But it was something the education ministry had to and has to deal with.
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uhhh, they still exist today.

If anything, they would've died a natural death if english was kept as the medium of instruction in government schools(yes I know chinese and tamil schools are under the government as well, but you know what I mean)

English had a much greater impact on this country then BM, so even if it is not the national language, it should at least be an official language, and it should be the language of government and education. But most people here prefer to ignore our heritage and history, and pretend like malay is actually more important then english.
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What if we make learning all the 4 languages in Malaysia as compulsory instead, but malay remains as the national language. So if Malaysians are able to grasp all the languages properly, including English, the issue of malay being the national language will not be a problem? Since it does not tamper with one's ability to converse and comprehend English.
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no, i prefer the singapore approach, everyone learns english and their mothertongue, choosing another language is optional. 4 language is too much. but I won't oppose it if they change the current system to everyone learning all 4 languages.
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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 22 2015, 06:35 PM)
Mexican immigrants are inferior people. So they need to learn US English, language of superior people. Superior races in Malaysia need not learn Malay, language of inferior people. They need only learn English, language of superior people.

/tldr
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On a national level, that makes little sense. Malaysia is not apart of the US, therefore superior and inferior terms cannot be equally compared.
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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 22 2015, 06:35 PM)
Mexican immigrants are inferior people. So they need to learn US English, language of superior people. Superior races in Malaysia need not learn Malay, language of inferior people. They need only learn English, language of superior people.

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 06:32 PM)
kalau pasal DAP ni, honestly I am a DAP supporter support yr argument... DAP is changed from being good to bad now... I don't know which party to side now
boleh advice me"? btw can deregister myself as DAP member right?
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Dunno why DAP so bodo these days, they already have the upper hand, why waste energy bagi bullet to UMNO?

Talk about arrogance.

QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:32 PM)
The DAP MP was trying to make a point as far as Sarawak and Sabah is concerned.

DAP MPs over in West Malaysia are all using Malay in Parliament.
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So?

Why the sudden move? Even if they can use it doesnt mean we should too.

We are talking about not giving reasons for people to be manipulated by these dumb issues, u think the media wont use this as solid reason to represent DAP stand about MALAY heritage?

We dont need these cheap stunts lah, they all too bored ka talking about people issue? They should do their work and start discussing about peoples issue and dont waste time asking why others can or cannot do.

Stop pointing at insignificant things THAT HAVE NO REASON TO BE RAISED, and just wasting time at the parliament.

Sad situation we are in now.
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There are tons of mexicans in the US that doesn't speak english, and the governments there are actually adopting to the situation by hiring more staff that speak spanish, and the businesses there are also starting to use more spanish to cater to the spanish speaking population. FYI, america doesn't have an official language.

Also, it is completely different from the mexicans in america situation, the mexicans went to America when America was already a established country with a long history and its own culture. The Chinese and indians were in Malaysia even before malaysia was a thing, and they came during the time when English was the language of government, not malay. That only changed after the malay nationalists gained power.
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Revisionist history. Chinese and Indian arrived in this region before the British. They came in as traders, others were brought in by the Malay rulers as workers.
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:39 PM)
uhhh, they still exist today.

If anything, they would've died a natural death if english was kept as the medium of instruction in government schools(yes I know chinese and tamil schools are under the government as well, but you know what I mean)

English had a much greater impact on this country then BM, so even if it is not the national language, it should at least be an official language, and it should be the language of government and education. But most people here prefer to ignore our heritage and history, and pretend like malay is actually more important then english.
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Can't go back in time already. This is where we are today.

We can either keep dwelling in the past and keep having whatever hangups about BM and keep lamenting about BI not being emphasized or we move forward and try to make things better.


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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:40 PM)
no, i prefer the singapore approach, everyone learns english and their mothertongue, choosing another language is optional. 4 language is too much. but I won't oppose it if they change the current system to everyone learning all 4 languages.
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blablabla

you got respect the constitution or not? bodo
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Alahai...
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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 22 2015, 06:42 PM)
Revisionist history. Chinese and Indian arrived in this region before the British. They came in as traders, others were brought in by the Malay rulers as workers.
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I'm talking about the majority, the majority came during british rule, and even before british rule, its not like the malays were the rulers of the region.
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 22 2015, 06:42 PM)
So?

Why the sudden move? Even if they can use it doesnt mean we should too.

We are talking about not giving reasons for people to be manipulated by these dumb issues, u think the media wont use this as solid reason to represent DAP stand about MALAY heritage?

We dont need these cheap stunts lah, they all too bored ka talking about people issue? They should do their work and start discussing about peoples issue and dont waste time asking why others can or cannot do.

Stop pointing at insignificant things THAT HAVE NO REASON TO BE RAISED, and just wasting time at the parliament.

Sad situation we are in now.
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Don't know whether it was appropriate or inappropriate. To a Sarawakian and a Sabahan it might have been very appropriate.

And he is a Sarawakian.

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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:32 PM)
There are tons of mexicans in the US that doesn't speak english, and the governments there are actually adopting to the situation by hiring more staff that speak spanish, and the businesses there are also starting to use more spanish to cater to the spanish speaking population. FYI, america doesn't have an official language.

Also, it is completely different from the mexicans in america situation, the mexicans went to America when America was already a established country with a long history and its own culture. The Chinese and indians were in Malaysia even before malaysia was a thing, and they came during the time when English was the language of government, not malay. That only changed after the malay nationalists gained power.
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The United States does not have a national official language; nevertheless, English (specifically American English) is the primary language used for legislation, regulations, executive orders, treaties, federal court rulings, and all other official pronouncements; although there are laws requiring documents such as ballots to be printed in multiple languages when there are large numbers of non-English speakers in an area.

As part of what has been called the English-only movement, some states have adopted legislation granting official status to English. As of October 2014, out of 50 states, 31 had established English as the official language, and Hawaii had established both English and Hawaiian as official.[17]

In 2014, three more states, Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey, considered enacting English as their official state language.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:42 PM)
Can't go back in time already.  This is where we are today. 

We can either keep dwelling in the past and keep having whatever hangups about BM and keep lamenting about BI not being emphasized or we move forward and try to make things better.
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I already said that I agree that everyone should learn BM, I just strongly oppose and hate the argument that just because malay is the national language it means that everyone should know it, and anyone who doesn't speak bm is a traitor/idiot/bad malaysian.


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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:43 PM)
I'm talking about the majority, the majority came during british rule, and even before british rule, its not like the malays were the rulers of the region.
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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 22 2015, 06:43 PM)
The United States does not have a national official language; nevertheless, English (specifically American English) is the primary language used for legislation, regulations, executive orders, treaties, federal court rulings, and all other official pronouncements; although there are laws requiring documents such as ballots to be printed in multiple languages when there are large numbers of non-English speakers in an area.

As part of what has been called the English-only movement, some states have adopted legislation granting official status to English. As of October 2014, out of 50 states, 31 had established English as the official language, and Hawaii had established both English and Hawaiian as official.[17]

In 2014, three more states, Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey, considered enacting English as their official state language.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 22 2015, 06:42 PM)
Dunno why DAP so bodo these days, they already have the upper hand, why waste energy bagi bullet to UMNO?

Talk about arrogance.
So?

Why the sudden move? Even if they can use it doesnt mean we should too.

We are talking about not giving reasons for people to be manipulated by these dumb issues, u think the media wont use this as solid reason to represent DAP stand about MALAY heritage?

We dont need these cheap stunts lah, they all too bored ka talking about people issue? They should do their work and start discussing about peoples issue and dont waste time asking why others can or cannot do.

Stop pointing at insignificant things THAT HAVE NO REASON TO BE RAISED, and just wasting time at the parliament.

Sad situation we are in now.
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This speaks loudly.
No doubt about that, just a matter of time.

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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 22 2015, 06:45 PM)
Again revisionist history.
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Now baru cakap respect the constitution lah.
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constitution says he got the right to use english ma........

so what's the hoo haa for? only bodo people hoo haa
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Nov 22 2015, 06:45 PM)
I already said that I agree that everyone should learn BM, I just strongly oppose and hate the argument that just because malay is the national language it means that everyone should know it, and anyone who doesn't speak bm is a traitor/idiot/bad malaysian.
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There are those who just refuse to speak it for whatever reasons.

That's the issue.

She mentioned four groups -


What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?



Of the 4, I take issue with no. 1. Some Malaysians do spend their early years overseas and cannot speak a single word of BM.

The rest are not too far off.
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Kat sini x habis2 bahasa melayu

Kat situ x habis2 uitm english debate gempak

Kesian kat u org
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Joe mamak's daily routine
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:48 PM)
There are those who just refuse to speak it for whatever reasons. 

That's the issue. 

She mentioned four groups -
What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
Of the 4, I take issue with no. 1.  Some Malaysians do spend their early years overseas and cannot speak a single word of BM. 

The rest are not too far off.
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so what, they can choose which language they speak.
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so what, they can choose which language they speak.
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Yes, they can choose the language they want to speak.

And there will always be people calling them ignorant buffoons for that. biggrin.gif
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Yes, they can choose the language they want to speak.

And there will always be people calling them ignorant buffoons for that.  biggrin.gif
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I will kindly tell her to fuck off
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why waste time learning a dying language? not a civilization to remember by anyway.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:43 PM)
Don't know whether it was appropriate or inappropriate.  To a Sarawakian  and a Sabahan it might have been very appropriate.

And he is a Sarawakian.
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constitution says he got the right to use english ma........

so what's the hoo haa for? only bodo people hoo haa
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My beef with him is that u shouldnt do these cheap poltical stunts just to trigger uncessary tension between the rakyat.

As layman malays will interpret this as "DAP MENGHINA MELAYU"

Now i ask you this? What value or benefit we can get by doing that?

Such move already shows that DAP taking the roads of ignoring or even shaming the cultural heritage of the majority just because they can.

Without ANY aparent reason to do so.

Arrogance at its best.

Foolish and cheap stunt, raising UNECESSARY issue.

Wasting time only.

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oh the irony
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If Malays were not rulers then British were not rulers too.

So what's with Kapitan Cina Yap Ah Loy?

Kapitan China (also spelled Kapitan Cina, Capitan China, etc.) was a title given to leaders of overseas Chinese enclaves in Southeast Asia.[1][2] The local 15th century rulers of the region, such as Melaka (modern day Malacca) and Banten (or Bantam), chose to deal with a single individual from each ethnic group under their rule.[3][4] This administrative method of indirect rule was later adopted by the Portuguese when they took over Melaka in the 16th century, as well as the Dutch in the Dutch East Indies, and the English in British Malaya.[3]
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touche

I will kindly tell her to fuck off
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My beef with him is that u shouldnt do these cheap poltical stunts just to trigger uncessary tension between the rakyat.

As layman malays will interpret this as "DAP MENGHINA MELAYU"

Now i ask you this? What value or benefit we can get by doing that?

Such move already shows that DAP taking the roads of ignoring or even shaming the cultural heritage of the majority just because they can.

Without ANY aparent reason to do so.

Arrogance at its best.

Foolish and cheap stunt, raising UNECESSARY issue.

Wasting time only.
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I don't know about that.

Seems some people, anything DAP does also will piss them off.

DAP do nothing, also will piss them off.

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Maybe you should go after those people who incite others to always be pissed off with DAP, no matter what.
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I think the main issue is spoken BM, not the version you get in syllabus. To me, there's a difference.

But in all honesty, I felt ppl just getting weaker in any given language. Lol.

A native speaker doesn't necessarily be able to write well too. So what's the fuss about passing BM in university, and that much of the knowledge is in English.
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One thing...DAP want malay support or not?

Don't start this shit for UMNO to play la

Hish....
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 06:59 PM)
I don't know about that. 

Seems some people, anything DAP does also will piss them off.

DAP do nothing, also will piss them off.

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Maybe you should go after those people who incite others to always be pissed off with DAP, no matter what.
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Nope, to me at least this stunt are unecessary, im not angry when they decided to work hand in hand with other opposition parties.

But DAP should learn to tone down their arrogance, they are not giving the speaker the respect at all.

This is not the way they should act in a democratic spirit, to even ignore the role of the chairman in the meeting room is always a sign of selfish and arrogant people not wanting to come to agreement with both sides.
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wonder why these are not written in BM. they cant even English.

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wonder why these are not written in BM. they cant even English.

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Because if in bm, Obama will not read even lol
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Because if in bm, Obama will not read even lol
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inb4 obama understands indon language.
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QUOTE(epicfailguy @ Nov 22 2015, 07:21 PM)
wonder why these are not written in BM. they cant even English.

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Lagi badut dindang pointing towards daily conversation instead of parliament debate conversation..

U guys got short attention span kah?

Org cakap parliament conversation issue, now giving examples of daily conversation.



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Up to you.  But could you not do so in the thread?  Thank you.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 09:53 AM)
She did say - While English is important, so is our national language and no citizen of this country has the excuse not to speak it well.
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I agree with her that as Malaysians, everyone should learn BM and be decent in it.

But what I love about Malaysia is also how we can all speak to each other in different languages.


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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 22 2015, 07:26 PM)
Lagi badut dindang pointing towards daily conversation instead of parliament debate conversation..

U guys got short attention span kah?

Org cakap parliament conversation issue, now giving examples of daily conversation.
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after more than 50 yrs, ever wonder why people dont give a fucuk about that language ?
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 22 2015, 06:23 PM)
There is actually no issue.

I do agree that those born here after merdeka still cannot speak bahasa, something wrong somewhere.

But this ignorant writer critics others who dont use bahasa.
truth is, people dont use bahasa all the time. And in some cases, they cannot use.

communication between 2 people can not be dictated to be only in bahasa.

Example: A chinese educated malay might want to speak mandarin to me. An indian may want to speak english to me.
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She don't critic who don't use bahasa or feel embarrassed to use it. She critics those who don't know the language, and yet being the citizen of Malaysia. On top of it, they criticize the language.

It is perfectly fine if you and your colleage speak English or other language with each other. But when you deliberately do not want to speak bahasa because of embarrassed of it, then that is the problem.
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diam.. we are trying to hapuskan the rule in parliament
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Its not about the ruling lah setan.

Its about not giving the farking bullets to umngook for them to shoot us back paham?

Haihh

DAP memang tak pandai pokitikus lah...try to run a country like a businessman? Good luck.

I can guarantee you that the silent treatment by umngook and bn goons are VERY CHILLING.

Until now, they havent fully utilized the media to shot us back with all these bullets they are collecting, and to my calculation, its ALOT.

Just wait till the election time comes.

Meanwhile, we keep on shooting the same bullets like imdb, ketuanan melayu, etc etc.

By the time of election all dah BASI

Like i said, poor politikus skills
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QUOTE(ahter @ Nov 22 2015, 07:35 PM)
after more than 50 yrs, ever wonder why people dont give a fucuk about that language ?
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QUOTE(Churuman @ Nov 22 2015, 02:56 PM)
Must be an umno macai from the way she implies dap chinese cant speak bm well
Meanwhile many rempit using bahasa rempit
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QUOTE(ahter @ Nov 22 2015, 07:35 PM)
after more than 50 yrs, ever wonder why people dont give a fucuk about that language ?
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I wonder. But ever wonder if there is British who do not speak its national language?
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Its not about the ruling lah setan.

Its about not giving the farking bullets to umngook for them to shoot us back paham?

Haihh

DAP memang tak pandai pokitikus lah...try to run a country like a businessman? Good luck.

I can guarantee you that the silent treatment by umngook and bn goons are VERY CHILLING.

Until now, they havent fully utilized the media to shot us back with all these bullets they are collecting, and to my calculation, its ALOT.

Just wait till the election time comes.

Meanwhile, we keep on shooting the same bullets like imdb, ketuanan melayu, etc etc.

By the time of election all dah BASI

Like i said, poor politikus skills
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Exactly. But i doubt BN is all that smart either.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 22 2015, 07:42 PM)
I wonder.  But ever wonder if there is British who do not speak its national language?
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I dont know.

Can one survive without learning that language?

Isnt that a myth? Just like proton is a global car?




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I wonder.  But ever wonder if there is British who do not speak its national language?
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I thought Zimbabwe is our benchmark?
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I dont know.

Can one survive without learning that language?

Isnt that a myth? Just like proton is a global car?
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Belajar la bm yg btol, belajar bhs english bukan u olang fasih pun

Kek even bhs melayu is nt proper

Kertas SPM yg score A pun org lain

Apa dh jadi
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QUOTE(neoFluidic @ Nov 22 2015, 07:45 PM)
Belajar la bm yg btol, belajar bhs english bukan u olang fasih pun

Kek even bhs melayu is nt proper

Kertas SPM yg score A pun org lain

Apa dh jadi
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I dont know.

Can one survive without learning that language?

Isnt that a myth? Just like proton is a global car?
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Wow. So you must be the buffoons. laugh.gif

You don't get the point of the article. It doesn't matter how crap the malay language or zimbabwe language. But being the citizen, it is your obligation to practice the language.
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I thought Zimbabwe is our benchmark?
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#streetsemaknotbooksemak
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My beef with him is that u shouldnt do these cheap poltical stunts just to trigger uncessary tension between the rakyat.

As layman malays will interpret this as "DAP MENGHINA MELAYU"

Now i ask you this? What value or benefit we can get by doing that?

Such move already shows that DAP taking the roads of ignoring or even shaming the cultural heritage of the majority just because they can.

Without ANY aparent reason to do so.

Arrogance at its best.

Foolish and cheap stunt, raising UNECESSARY issue.

Wasting time only.
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lel.........

that's your interpretation.........which shows your character.

what a shame
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Just learn and practice BM and speak to your fellow countrymen. Mix around more with other races to eliminate racial prejudice pls.
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Its not about the ruling lah setan.

Its about not giving the farking bullets to umngook for them to shoot us back paham?

Haihh

DAP memang tak pandai pokitikus lah...try to run a country like a businessman? Good luck.

I can guarantee you that the silent treatment by umngook and bn goons are VERY CHILLING.

Until now, they havent fully utilized the media to shot us back with all these bullets they are collecting, and to my calculation, its ALOT.

Just wait till the election time comes.

Meanwhile, we keep on shooting the same bullets like imdb, ketuanan melayu, etc etc.

By the time of election all dah BASI

Like i said, poor politikus skills
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Joe mamak's daily routine
8am : bangun, buat kopi, go news site copy and paste news
10am : berak, go news site, copy and paste news. but this time bold some of the words
12noon: makan lunch alone
2pm: f5 f5 for news. copy and paste news. also, become moral police in k. give generic advice.
4pm: tidur, dream about latest news
6pm: reply news tereds he copied. cry when got zero replies.
8pm: eat dinner alone, sambil baca newspaper
10pm: besihkan keyboard and mouse.
12am: pray to newsgods for more news tomorrow.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 22 2015, 07:58 PM)
lel.........

that's your interpretation.........which shows your character.

what a shame
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In politics, you have to think how your opponent and the voters react. By doing what DAP MP did, that is not how you win politics. Orang melayu akan lagi jauh dari menyokong DAP.
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In politics, you have to think how your opponent and the voters react.  By doing what DAP MP did, that is not how you win politics.  Orang melayu akan lagi jauh dari menyokong DAP.
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since when Sabahan and Sarawakian care for melayu vote ???

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since when Sabahan and Sarawakian care for melayu vote ???
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QUOTE(smarty pants @ Nov 22 2015, 02:44 PM)
Joe mamak's daily routine
8am : bangun, buat kopi, go news site copy and paste news
10am : berak, go news site, copy and paste news. but this time bold some of the words
12noon: makan lunch alone
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12am: pray to newsgods for more news tomorrow.
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how long have you been stalking him? brows.gif
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Since when there are no local Malays in S&S? I'm not talking about Peninsular Malays~
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who said no malay ??.. how many is there ??...they care for malay votes ??.. they care for malay supremacy ??.... they care for islamic state ???.. since when these issue wud motivate them ??.. the guy who bring up the issue is a Sarawakian... what to do with peninsular ??

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 22 2015, 08:03 PM)
In politics, you have to think how your opponent and the voters react.  By doing what DAP MP did, that is not how you win politics.  Orang melayu akan lagi jauh dari menyokong DAP.
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who are you to represent orang melayu?


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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 22 2015, 07:44 PM)
Exactly.  But i doubt BN is all that smart either.
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EXACTLY SO WHY DEGRADE OURSELVES?

QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 22 2015, 07:58 PM)
lel.........

that's your interpretation.........which shows your character.

what a shame
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LOL, its about possibly of the issue being manipulated to that extent, not talking about my views of him speaking english per se.

Paham?
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EXACTLY SO WHY DEGRADE OURSELVES?
LOL, its about possibly of the issue being manipulated to that extent, not talking about my views of him speaking english per se.

Paham?
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Just learn and practice BM and speak to your fellow countrymen. Mix around more with other races to eliminate racial prejudice pls.
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Agree
Mix around more with other races at least u kne when they back talking abt you in their own language

Usually Ppl prefer not to use bm/eng talk wan
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EXACTLY SO WHY DEGRADE OURSELVES?
LOL, its about possibly of the issue being manipulated to that extent, not talking about my views of him speaking english per se.

Paham?
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so don't do anything laugh.gif

orang bodo je easily manipulated
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Ministers eating popcorn while rakyat fighting over English language.

Weapon of mass distraction is working.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 22 2015, 08:14 PM)
who are you to represent orang melayu?
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A DAP supporter.

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My beef with him is that u shouldnt do these cheap political stunts just to trigger unnecessary tension between the rakyat.

As layman malays will interpret this as "DAP MENGHINA MELAYU"

Now i ask you this? What value or benefit we can get by doing that?

Such move already shows that DAP taking the roads of ignoring or even shaming the cultural heritage of the majority just because they can.

Without ANY apparent reason to do so.

Arrogance at its best.

Foolish and cheap stunt, raising UNNECESSARY issue.

Wasting time only.
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fixed some of your spelling for you.

layman S&S malays really care about what language S&S state assembly use?
i would think they care more about bread and butter issues than just languages.
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A DAP supporter.
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you don't represent them.

so stop.


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fixed some of your spelling for you.

layman S&S malays really care about what language S&S state assembly use?
i would think they care more about bread and butter issues than just languages.
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Nak betul spelling orang, betulkan punctuation/capitalization diri sendiri. Be a real grammar nazi.
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who said no malay ??.. how many is there ??...they care for malay votes ??.. they care for malay supremacy ??.... they care for islamic state ???.. since when these issue wud motivate them ??.. the guy who bring up the issue is a Sarawakian... what to do with peninsular ??
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Ahhhh, the Melayu you pointed out refers to Non-S&S Malays right?
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Nak betul spelling orang, betulkan punctuation/capitalization diri sendiri. Be a real grammar nazi.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 22 2015, 08:23 PM)
you don't represent them.

so stop.
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DAP now being very arrogant. Hate to admit, kinda menyesal vote them last GE.
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 22 2015, 07:26 PM)
Lagi badut dindang pointing towards daily conversation instead of parliament debate conversation..

U guys got short attention span kah?

Org cakap parliament conversation issue, now giving examples of daily conversation.
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awak tak suka, jangan reply.
balik la tajuk awak tu.

kat parliament orang tak cakap conversation, kita guna istilah debate ataupun berbahas, bukan berbual ngok. kek.
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Nak betul spelling orang, betulkan punctuation/capitalization diri sendiri. Be a real grammar nazi.
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ha tolong betulkan.
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Ahhhh, the Melayu you pointed out refers to Non-S&S Malays right?
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u meant the Sarawakian care to woo melayu voters ???
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DAP now being very arrogant.  Hate to admit, kinda menyesal vote them last GE.
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lel..........

so being right and wrong doesn't matter.

arrogant terus menyesal..........

why bother vote then?
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lel..........

so being right and wrong doesn't matter.

arrogant terus menyesal..........

why bother vote then?
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You want UMNO stay in power?
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u meant the Sarawakian care to woo melayu voters ???
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If the Malays are local born S&S, shouldn't they?
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lel..........

so being right and wrong doesn't matter.

arrogant terus menyesal..........

why bother vote then?
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If the Malays are local born S&S, shouldn't they?
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so u denying Sarawakian's 20 points right ???
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Again, its about the cause of such stunt make it possible for umngook to use it as a point to ponder among layman Malays.

Not about rejecting or denying their rights.

I am looking at the aspect of benefits or problems for such stand that may be interpreted wrongly among majority malays.

Fact remains DAP NEED to please the majority malays to topple BN

They need to realize this sooner or sampai botak LGE pun BN will be in power.

Faham?

QUOTE(epicfailguy @ Nov 22 2015, 08:21 PM)
fixed some of your spelling for you.

layman S&S malays really care about what language S&S state assembly use?
i would think they care more about bread and butter issues than just languages.
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LOL,didnt have time fixing those using my phone.

So nobody should care what other states are doing even when it challenges the heritage of their own culture?

Its not about technical issues here, we are entering the realm of political views and preferrence, not the legality issues.

If DAP continues to show such arrogant stand, many MALAYS with consider it as arrogant and a challenge towards MALAY heritage, given some twist and turns from the media of course.

Yes its ridiculous if you ask me, but not impossible at all.

It is the same as DAP scaring the chineese that govt will tutup all chineese schools and continue to ignore the chineese community forever, ridiculous because it is not favorable to the govt, but not impossible.

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You want UMNO stay in power?
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your method of judging and weighing who to vote for shocks me.
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Nov 22 2015, 08:34 PM)
Again, its about the cause of such stunt make it possible for umngook to use it as a point to ponder among layman Malays.

Not about rejecting or denying their rights.

I am looking at the aspect of benefits or problems for such stand that may be interpreted wrongly among majority malays.

Fact remains DAP NEED to please the majority malays to topple BN

They need to realize this sooner or sampai botak LGE pun BN will be in power.

Faham?
LOL,didnt have time fixing those using my phone.

So nobody should care what other states are doing even when it challenges the heritage of their own culture?

Its not about technical issues here, we are entering the realm of political views and preferrence, not the legality issues.

If DAP continues to show such arrogant stand, many MALAYS with consider it as arrogant and a challenge towards MALAY heritage, given some twist and turns from the media of course.

Yes its ridiculous if you ask me, but not impossible at all.

It is the same as DAP scaring the chineese that govt will tutup all chineese schools and continue to ignore the chineese community forever, ridiculous because it is not favorable to the govt, but not impossible.
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you don't represent the malays so stop making general statements about opinions by them.
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Again, its about the cause of such stunt make it possible for umngook to use it as a point to ponder among layman Malays.

Not about rejecting or denying their rights.

I am looking at the aspect of benefits or problems for such stand that may be interpreted wrongly among majority malays.

Fact remains DAP NEED to please the majority malays to topple BN

They need to realize this sooner or sampai botak LGE pun BN will be in power.

Faham?
LOL,didnt have time fixing those using my phone.

So nobody should care what other states are doing even when it challenges the heritage of their own culture?

Its not about technical issues here, we are entering the realm of political views and preferrence, not the legality issues.

If DAP continues to show such arrogant stand, many MALAYS with consider it as arrogant and a challenge towards MALAY heritage, given some twist and turns from the media of course.

Yes its ridiculous if you ask me, but not impossible at all.

It is the same as DAP scaring the chineese that govt will tutup all chineese schools and continue to ignore the chineese community forever, ridiculous because it is not favorable to the govt, but not impossible.
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dun u even know that what the S&S hate is the malay and islam supremacy issue ???.. thats why they rejected any peninsular politician to be there,.. see how many seat PAS get from there all these years..???

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how many of them is there ??... do S&S malay care on racial , religion and language issue like peninsular malay ???
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Good for them. But that is not even the point.  It is not how many language you can master.  It is about the language that you cannot speak and practice for being the citizen. Now, that is true idiot.
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SO this includes Bahasa SMS?
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you don't represent the malays so stop making general statements about opinions by them.
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This is why dap cant topple the govt, because they ignore the finer details of politics.

You cant expect to rule the country if you keep on rejecting the possibilities of opposing views and its power, no matter how foolish it is.

Keep on ignoring this, DAP will go nowhere.

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 22 2015, 08:35 PM)
i won't bother with your answer.

your method of judging and weighing who to vote for shocks me.
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So how you approach voters like me to vote DAP again? rolleyes.gif

How you know my voting decision base on what back then? What is DAP approach to rural non-urban voters? With all these non sense remarks from DAP MPs, i doubt they can have that much malay votes in next GE.
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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Nov 22 2015, 08:39 PM)
dun u even know that what the S&S hate is the malay and islam supremacy issue ???.. thats why they rejected any peninsular politician to be there,.. see how many seat PAS get from there all these years..???
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They hate the peninsular malaysia, but they hate non bumis more...This is why BN wins S&S everytime

You guys just oblivious to it.

PAS lose because of their religious affiliation.

This is why BN wins S&S everytime.



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SO this includes Bahasa SMS?
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Do you believe me if I say many of them do at least on some of those issues you've mentioned above? Not only Malays, some of the Bumis are concerned as well. Fortunately, it is not as rampant as those in Peninsular.
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nope.. even Adenan from BN also supporting English as formal medium langauge...
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Kindly explain why is this article written in English instead of Malay.
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so it would reach the people that doesn't understand malay. this is meant for them ultimately no?

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bahasa 1Malaysia!!!!!! rclxm9.gifrclxm9.gif
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I wish they could just invent a new language and make everyone on earth use it.
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QUOTE(crewl227 @ Nov 22 2015, 02:57 PM)
I don't agree with that. You can't force people to learn a languagr which is not your mother tongue language.

Since Malaysia is a multiracial country, to reflect its identity, why dont everyone speak Bahasa, Mandarin and tamil?... There you go.. The hypocrisy of each and everyone of us will arise
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I don't think learning Bahasa is about necessity, it's more about identity. Understanding the roots of this Nation, it's people, respect. but if learning the national language is impossible for people to do. Imagine asking others to learn other languages. 1 by 1 la.. maybe after bahasa we could learn mandarin(canton), tamil, etc.. maybe even russian too? just for the heck of it. I guess letting the kids learn the language while they are young by the example of people,televison and books would at least give them proper usage of the language while conversing.
*edit* of course by making the language a necessity(<--not sure if this good..) will improve the adoption rate but hinder a lot of other people.

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nope.. even Adenan from BN also supporting English as formal medium langauge...
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They hate the peninsular malaysia, but they hate non bumis more...This is why BN wins S&S everytime

You guys just oblivious to it.

PAS lose because of their religious affiliation.

This is why BN wins S&S everytime.
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Adenan is not the only Sarawakian mind you~
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dude, why you layan him anyway. obviously he have too much BTN session dy
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LOL another guy missing the WHOLE POINT entirely.

Make it simple for you lah.

If BN refuse to reject ketuanan melayu because its considered constitutional to do so, you think non bumis will vote BN?

So if DAP refuse to acknowledge BM as official language because its considered constitutional to do so, you think malays will vote DAP?

So why result in a same political stunt just like BN?

Susah cakap dgn org clueless ni.


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he probably never been to Sarawak before.
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Some ppl can't get the logic when their kind isn't the majority.
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LOL,didnt have time fixing those using my phone.

So nobody should care what other states are doing even when it challenges the heritage of their own culture?

Its not about technical issues here, we are entering the realm of political views and preferrence, not the legality issues.

If DAP continues to show such arrogant stand, many MALAYS with consider it as arrogant and a challenge towards MALAY heritage, given some twist and turns from the media of course.

Yes its ridiculous if you ask me, but not impossible at all.

It is the same as DAP scaring the chineese that govt will tutup all chineese schools and continue to ignore the chineese community forever, ridiculous because it is not favorable to the govt, but not impossible.
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yeah, use of omputeh language in parliamentary proceedings where not many ppl in S&S watch is challenging their culture.
when it comes to malay culture, i'd rather be concerned how arab culture is slowly creeping into malay culture.
we dont see salam aidilfitri anymore, it is now eid mubarak. we dont call buka puasa anymore, it is iftar.

oh and also songlap everyday in their face, no problem, it is their culture.
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LOL another guy missing the WHOLE POINT entirely.

Make it simple for you lah.

If BN refuse to reject ketuanan melayu because its considered constitutional to do so, you think non bumis will vote BN?

So if DAP refuse to acknowledge BM as official language because its considered constitutional to do so, you think malays will vote DAP?

So why result in a same political stunt just like BN?

Susah cakap dgn org clueless ni.
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it's S&S who rejected BM as official language,.. thats the terms when they join malaysia,.. it's their special right,...

did DAP Penang reject it ???.. did DAP selangor reject it ???
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Malas nak comment la

Nanti kena lipot lagi kata i flamebait la racist la

Tak boleh terima kritik = apj8188 flamebait

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Change it back to Bahasa Malaysia instead of Bahasa Melayu then we talk okay?
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QUOTE(epicfailguy @ Nov 22 2015, 08:54 PM)
yeah, use of omputeh language in parliamentary proceedings where not many ppl in S&S watch is challenging their culture.
when it comes to malay culture, i'd rather be concerned how arab culture is slowly creeping into malay culture.
we dont see salam aidilfitri anymore, it is now eid mubarak. we dont call buka puasa anymore, it is iftar.

oh and also songlap everyday in their face, no problem, it is their culture.
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are you saying songlap is malay culture to spite the politicians that are upholding the necessity of the national language while also doing questionable activities? or did you just insult the malay people as a whole?
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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Nov 22 2015, 08:55 PM)
it's S&S who rejected BM as official language,.. thats the terms when they join malaysia,.. it's their special right,...

did DAP Penang reject it ???.. did DAP selangor reject it ???
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U speak as DAP reps, so the whole party face the music.

U are saying DAP MPs have different stands and agendas now?

So this guy just another lose canon MP?

No right..
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Change it back to Bahasa Malaysia instead of Bahasa Melayu then we talk okay?
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it is Bahasa Malaysia but it is also bahasa melayu.
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DAP needs to tone down a little bit hmm.gif

They risk alienating even Bumi people who do not support BN.
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reference book and study material and paper jurnal and research publish all in english lah woiii!!!



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U speak as DAP reps, so the whole party face the music.

U are saying DAP MPs have different stands and agendas  now?

So this guy just another lose canon MP?

No right..
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DAP consist of different activist,.. they are not a single entities... why practice dictatorship,.. when ur principle is against dictatorship ???
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DAP needs to tone down a little bit hmm.gif

They risk alienating even Bumi people who do not support BN.
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Actually it is a nice trick for DAP this time, semangat kenegerian of Sarawakian is still pretty strong.

If parliment officially denying the rights of Sarawakians, be ready to see protek from both bumi/non-bumi Sarawakians.
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DAP consist of different activist,.. they are not a single entities... why practice dictatorship,.. when ur principle is against dictatorship ???
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Ahahahaha

U still didnt get the point there.
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Ahahahaha

U still didnt get the point there.
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nope.. it's u who miss the point,.. even TAR debate in english in Parliament...

nah.. LKY also speak english parliament...

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it is Bahasa Malaysia but it is also bahasa melayu.
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One or the other. You can't have both when they're literally the same thing.
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nope.. it's u who miss the point,.. even TAR debate in english in Parliament...

nah.. LKY also speak english parliament...

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are you saying songlap is malay culture to spite the politicians that are upholding the necessity of the national language while also doing questionable activities? or did you just insult the malay people as a whole?
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it is a sarcastic remark, because nur failed to take into consideration that there are far more important issues in this country than languages used by a state government in east malaysia they would be more concerned of.

he spoke as though he speaks on behalf of the malays.
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Ain't those times were within the 10 years period?
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mana ada 10 years period,.. only when mamaktir period, he enforce all official language to malay,..

my dad even had his citizenship cert in English...
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One or the other. You can't have both when they're literally the same thing.
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not really.. Consider this, an Indian from india comes to malaysia. now he is called a malaysian. but is he still not an indian ethnically? of course he is. But he is also a Malaysian nationalistically. the Language of Melayu has been spoken by the people of this land + other parts in the Nusantara since long ago. it's roots is bahasa Melayu. and it is still today, but for the sake for it's new identity it would also be called as Bahasa Malaysia. but the people who has roots from the generations of old who dwell in the land for ages long past could still call it Bahasa Melayu. no problem at all. of course la.. the people who have stayed here for generations should just be considered a malaysian la.. (edit)and of course they could still be recognized as their ethnic root also.. no problem.

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it is a sarcastic remark, because nur failed to take into consideration that there are far more important issues in this country than languages used by a state government in east malaysia they would be more concerned of.

he spoke as though he speaks on behalf of the malays.
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mana ada 10 years period,.. only when mamaktir period, he enforce all official language to malay,..

my dad even had his citizenship cert in English...
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to those who defend bahasa melayu

i don't want u to travel overseas, since you love bahasa melayu so much.

stay in malaysia, don't go overseas.


thats how u love yr bm



idiot bm defenders
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 09:33 PM)
to those who defend bahasa melayu

i don't want u to travel overseas, since you love bahasa melayu so much.

stay in malaysia, don't go overseas.
thats how u love yr bm
idiot bm defenders
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what if they said.
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BTW bang, never gone full retard. Supporting a language has no relation to traveling overseas. You know Mandarin/Cantonese so you must balik tongsan/hk?

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Joe mamak's daily routine
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 09:33 PM)
to those who defend bahasa melayu

i don't want u to travel overseas, since you love bahasa melayu so much.

stay in malaysia, don't go overseas.
thats how u love yr bm
idiot bm defenders
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hi, I really like the japanese language too, since my favorite animation uses the language. plus I think the coolest sounding language is the sanskrit(it was used in prometheus. sounded so cool). but it is unrelated whether I should go travelling or not.. TQ.

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Nov 22 2015, 09:35 PM)
what if they said.
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BTW bang, never gone full retard. Supporting a language has no relation to traveling overseas. You know Mandarin/Cantonese so you must balik tongsan/hk?
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I see. although I do not understand you being displeased with other people's liking of languages. I don't understand where this feeling of anger stems from.
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Even english have street/urban lingo.  Guna bahasa yang sesuai ikut tempat dan keadaan. #muahciked
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 22 2015, 09:37 PM)
hi, I really like the japanese language too, since my favorite animation uses the language. plus I think the coolest sounding language is the sanskrit(it was used in prometheus. sounded so cool). but it is unrelated whether I should go travelling or not.. TQ.
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 22 2015, 09:41 PM)
I see. although I do not understand you being displeased with other people's liking of languages. I don't understand where this feeling of anger stems from.
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only bahasa melayu


others I fully support


please tag this..only bm
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tetapi seseorang yang mempertahankan bahasa malaysia (seperti saya) tidak semestinya menghalang pengunaan bahasa lain. Atau inginkan peluang rakyat lain dihalang sekiranya pengetahuan BM mereka tidak memenuhi harapan ahli politik(lain cerita jika tahap yang perlu dipelajari rendah) tetapi pada saya hanya sampai tahap untuk bercakap sesama rakyat malaysia lain sudahlah.

English:
but a person who defends the national language (like me) does not necessarily mean that he barred the use of other languages. Nor does he want the opportunity of other citizens to be held from them because of their inability to satisfy the needed requirement of language mastery dictates by the government(note:should the level be unfair) only to the extent of conversing with the other malaysian is enough. <-- just opinion.
QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 09:45 PM)
sorry

only bahasa melayu
others I fully support
please tag this..only bm
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bahasa nusantara adalah bahasa yang lama.. ianya hanya bahasa seperti bahasa-bahasa lain juga..

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 09:33 PM)
to those who defend bahasa melayu

i don't want u to travel overseas, since you love bahasa melayu so much.

stay in malaysia, don't go overseas.
thats how u love yr bm
idiot bm defenders
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you can love bm while acknowledging the importance of english, you know.

you're saying as if the only two options are either being a protek protek red shirt or abandoning bm altogether.
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RottoManual hmmm..... bahasa nusantara yang lama tu sudahlah, now bahasa inggeris, no more bm.

bigblackpikachu please don't say I love BM.. I never do, so please correct yr word. I already abandonded BM by throwing away all BM books where after that I send to the old newspaper. wasting my time learning bm.


english and other language excpt bm ftw


i use bm only when order foodand when being forced to...other than that, sorry
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 22 2015, 09:24 PM)
not really.. Consider this, an Indian from india comes to malaysia. now he is called a malaysian. but is he still not an indian ethnically? of course he is. But he is also a Malaysian nationalistically. the Language of Melayu has been spoken by the people of this land + other parts in the Nusantara since long ago. it's roots is bahasa Melayu. and it is still today, but for the sake for it's new identity it would also be called as Bahasa Malaysia. but the people who has roots from the generations of old who dwell in the land for ages long past could still call it Bahasa Melayu. no problem at all. of course la.. the people who have stayed here for generations should just be considered a malaysian la.. (edit)and of course they could still be recognized as their ethnic root also.. no problem.
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As the Bahasa Kebangsaan or Bahasa Nasional (National Language) of several states, Standard Malay has various official names. In Singapore and Brunei it is called Bahasa Melayu (Malay language); in Malaysia, Bahasa Malaysia (Malaysian language); and in Indonesia, Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language) and is designated the Bahasa Persatuan/Pemersatu ("unifying language/lingua franca"). However, in areas of central to southern Sumatra where the language is indigenous, Indonesians refer to it as Bahasa Melayu and consider it one of their regional languages. -wiki


Again, one or the other. It just depends what the goals are.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 10:36 PM)
RottoManual  hmmm..... bahasa nusantara yang lama tu sudahlah, now bahasa inggeris, no more bm.

bigblackpikachu  please don't say I love BM.. I never do, so please correct yr word. I already abandonded BM by throwing away all BM books where after that I send to the old newspaper. wasting my time learning bm.
english and other language excpt bm ftw
i use bm only when order foodand when being forced to...other than that, sorry
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http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...orant-buffoons/

Learn our national language, you ignorant buffoons!
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While English is important, so is our national language and no citizen of this country has the excuse not to speak it well.
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?

I call them ignorant buffoons and you should too.

While fluency in our national language is not indicative of a person’s loyalty or love for his or her country, the inability to master one’s own national language does speak volumes of a person’s character.

Two weeks ago, we were shocked with news that 1000 medical graduates gave up on their dreams of becoming doctors despite having completed a two-year housemanship in public hospitals, because they lacked proficiency in English.

While many have blamed our education system for the appalling standard of English among our students and graduates today, we seem to forget that our national language is going down the same longkang too.

Seriously, if it is seen as important for medical doctors to possess a fluency in English in order to do their jobs well, is it not just as important that they have a good command of Bahasa Melayu for the very same reason?

I have met quite a few doctors who are unable to make themselves understood by their patients just as they are unable to understand their patients because of a language barrier.

Without a basic comprehension of either English or Bahasa Melayu, how do doctors ask about the medical histories of their patients so that they are able to recommend the best treatments for them?

Let us not forget, 70 per cent of us are native speakers of Bahasa Melayu – why then are we not making fluency in our national language an important skill to master for medical practitioners as well?

In all honesty, if Bahasa Melayu was made a compulsory subject to pass for our graduates, I foresee many more dropouts in our local universities compared to the number of dropouts today due to the lack of proficiency in English.

This brings me to the recent case of a DAP Member of Parliament who insisted on using English while debating a bill in Parliament despite being rebuked by the Deputy Speaker to speak only Bahasa Melayu.

Why the stubbornness?

While I, myself see no issue in using English in Parliament since our MPs are pandai-pandai belaka (I think-lah) and can comprehend the language, I wonder why it is so difficult to also be able to present one’s arguments in our national language when requested to do so.

In my honest opinion, anyone representing the people should be able to communicate effectively with all levels of communities, thus making the ability to converse well in our national language a priority. How else are you going to listen to the rakyat’s problems if you do not understand them?

Perhaps it is time for us to make the proficiency of our national language one of the fundamentals of citizenship in Malaysia.

I guess that would be the best way to rid this country of ignorant buffoons.
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BM not compulsory subject to pass? I'm not sure if he realises he's a buffon too

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I wonder.  But ever wonder if there is British who do not speak its national language?
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british has any policy discriminate its minority citizens ?
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QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Nov 22 2015, 10:39 PM)
To get rid of an issue, the cause of the confusion has to be removed. What applies in the past may not apply in the future. This is the basics of progress. Once something is applied, in this case, Bahasa Malaysia, it should be sticked to.
Again, one or the other. It just depends what the goals are.
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Agreed. but only if we make it an issue. There is no problem with people of other races here recognizing their ethnic roots but Also identified as Malaysian. the Same with Language, it is Bahasa Malaysia now, but it was and still is bahasa melayu. by Definition. for example, I like this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWf6KvoGgAI

sorry.. I forgot how to embed video... cry.gif anyway.. I get what you're saying, BM should be recognized as Bahasa Malaysia Officially. But it could also be called and known as bahasa melayu. but in formal gatherings, newspaper, tele, it could be Shown as bahasa Malaysia only. no problem.

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I dont know.

Can one survive without learning that language?

Isnt that a myth? Just like proton is a global car?
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the video above is from the last samurai laugh.gif and the context begins at 3:40.. lol
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 22 2015, 10:41 PM)
jika saudara rasa begitu sudahlah. tidak mengapa  smile.gif selamat malam dan Harap aman selalu  biggrin.gif
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aqew selalu amanz
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APA BAHASA YANG DIGUNAKAN DALAM NAMA PENUH "UMNO"?
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 11:07 PM)
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my gosh.. the usage though laugh.gif

QUOTE(mcko @ Nov 22 2015, 11:07 PM)
APA BAHASA YANG DIGUNAKAN DALAM NAMA PENUH "UMNO"?
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Lol!!! laugh.gif
*edited* funny iz funny rclxms.gif

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true2, there's a lot of em in here~
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I'm surprise you actually agree with me that BM should be up to each individual to learn or not to learn.

Most of the time, it's guys like you who like to scorn against those who don't see BM as that important.

Now are you sure you're talking the same thing here or


you're butthurt? smile.gif
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I'm surprise you actually agree with me that BM should be up to each individual to learn or not to learn.

Most of the time, it's guys like you who like to scorn against those who don't see BM as that important.

Now are you sure you're talking the same thing here or
you're butthurt?  smile.gif
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Aqew sangew sedi

Kikew zatew



Bahasa rempit
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 23 2015, 12:10 AM)
Aqew sangew sedi

Kikew zatew
Bahasa rempit
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I don't think anyone should be forced to do something he/she doesn't want to.

Especially the language of bahasa.

Don't turn this into a demonizing tool.

That is what the likes of UMNO supporters are.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2015, 01:17 AM)
I don't think anyone should be forced to do something he/she doesn't want to.

Especially the language of bahasa.

Don't turn this into a demonizing tool.

That is what the likes of UMNO supporters are.
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you can't avoid enforcing in a country. it's what makes a country a country. there are laws to uphold. and there are different needs and priorities. the japanese would enforce japanese, the arabs would enforce arabic, so on and so forth.
Learning the language of the land isn't supposed to be an issue. But many people still take issue.
I'm not saying Malaysia is perfect, but we're in a country... it's a place with structure. a Malaysian should at least be able to converse in BM to speak with other malaysians (unless you don't plan on conversing much with the malays in malaysia. In this case I say up to you lah.. but we hidup mesti bercampur sebagai negara berbilang bangsa).
It's not just about the language itself. It's also about the identity of Malaysia, some people might not see it as being important but many do.
Of course, there are many other issues that is more important. I agree, but that does not mean to just throw our national language away...

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I'm surprise you actually agree with me that BM should be up to each individual to learn or not to learn.

Most of the time, it's guys like you who like to scorn against those who don't see BM as that important.

Now are you sure you're talking the same thing here or
you're butthurt?  smile.gif
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What do you think? brows.gif
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british has any policy discriminate its minority citizens ?
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Is that even the point and your excuse not accepting BM as the national language? Even the british did, that doesnt change the fact that their citizen should know english.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 09:33 PM)
to those who defend bahasa melayu

i don't want u to travel overseas, since you love bahasa melayu so much.

stay in malaysia, don't go overseas.
thats how u love yr bm
idiot bm defenders
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Suke hati je halang orang nak pergi travel sebab suka Bahasa Melayu. Sama level macam menteri suruh keluar malaysia sebab tak pandai cakap melayu. rolleyes.gif
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Google Translate ... problem solved smile.gif

conclusion ... the article is not wrong and it apply to everyone in Malaysia... It clear that not all Malay have good command of the national language
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Is that even the point and your excuse not accepting BM as the national language? Even the british did, that doesnt change the fact that their citizen should know english.
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not an excuse to accept it as a national language, but doesnt mean they have to learn it. they got nothing from learning the language. everything is about quota and tongkat here. so might as well master other languages that will benefit them.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 03:40 PM)
Don't know if people never read the whole article or they comprehended it differently. 

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BM fail, English also fail

topkek liao laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ahter @ Nov 23 2015, 08:28 AM)
not an excuse to accept it as a national language, but doesnt mean they have to learn it. they got nothing from learning the language. everything is about quota and tongkat here. so might as well master other languages that will benefit them.
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So you are ok if you not learning english if you are british?

How crap the language is, it is your OBLIGATION as the citizen of that nation. Its not about politics, quota or tongkat. Or how irrelavant BM in business or international level. Itu maksud article yang ditulis.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 03:05 PM)
Errr...did you read the whole article?  She said English is important.  But so is our national language.
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QUOTE(carmenyta @ Nov 22 2015, 03:17 PM)
i actually agree with this. just treat it like learning an extra language lah, apa susah?

i dont understand why some of u are talking about using BM overseas, practicality and what not. ego itu tolong simpan sikit, hokey?
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So patient la you all..... flex.gif
QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 03:35 PM)
yes because its in Malaysia only. Me are not interested to stay Malaysia forever. Thats why I make sure I study hard and graduate, so that I can leave this country forever.

they will say cakap BM la..cakap bahasa omputih buat apa.
maybe u are lucky?  bcos I still have to type in BM when report in police station...  hmm.gif
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La....tak grad lagi...tapi bunyi dah macam banyak makan garam.....kongkek pun tak sama level dengan joe mamak who has probably had more than you have had nasi lemak breakfast.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 23 2015, 12:10 AM)
Aqew sangew sedi

Kikew zatew
Bahasa rempit
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I farking hate bahasa rempit.

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Which one make you happier? A foreigner thanked you in english or a foreigner thanked you in bm?
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QUOTE(kienhuia @ Nov 23 2015, 07:17 AM)
Google Translate ... problem solved smile.gif

conclusion ... the article is not wrong and it apply to everyone in Malaysia... It clear that not all Malay have good command of the national language
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Most malay has worst command of the language than non-Malay because they all speak bahasa rempit, not the true Bahasa Malaysia as taught in school.

These are the people who are truly unpatriotic because they are smearing the beautiful national language!!!

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Bodo all these pipul.
It is like you live in england but dont want learn english, just want to speak korean there.
Then say im patriotic engrand pipulzzz!!

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 02:17 AM)
you can't avoid enforcing in a country. it's what makes a country a country. there are laws to uphold.  and there are different needs and priorities. the japanese would enforce japanese, the arabs would enforce arabic, so on and so forth.
Learning the language of the land isn't supposed to be an issue. But many people still take issue.
I'm not saying Malaysia is perfect, but we're in a country... it's a place with structure.  a Malaysian should at least be able to converse in BM to speak with other malaysians (unless you don't plan on conversing much with the malays in malaysia. In this case I say up to you lah.. but we hidup mesti bercampur sebagai negara berbilang bangsa).
It's not just about the language itself. It's also about the identity of Malaysia, some people might not see it as being important but many do.
Of course, there are many other issues that is more important. I agree, but that does not mean to just throw our national language away...
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It is really "up to you lah"

That was my point.

Nobody has the right to force anyone to learn Bahasa.


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QUOTE(SushiBurgerX @ Nov 23 2015, 09:24 AM)
I farking hate bahasa rempit.
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Tgis is what happen to our bm now

Ayam troll BM lovers je
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QUOTE(6216 @ Nov 23 2015, 09:23 AM)
So patient la you all..... flex.gif

La....tak grad lagi...tapi bunyi dah macam banyak makan garam.....kongkek pun tak sama level dengan joe mamak who has probably had more than you have had nasi lemak breakfast.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 23 2015, 08:58 AM)
So you are ok if you not learning english if you are british?

How crap the language is, it is your OBLIGATION as the citizen of that nation. Its not about politics, quota or tongkat.  Or how irrelavant BM in business or international level. Itu maksud article yang ditulis.
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it is about politics and the way its citizen being treated. you cant run away from it. thats why it is irrelevant to them. btw, you cant compare English with BM, never. BM will never come close to English.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2015, 01:17 AM)
I don't think anyone should be forced to do something he/she doesn't want to.

Especially the language of bahasa.

Don't turn this into a demonizing tool.

That is what the likes of UMNO supporters are.
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Ayam wam troll bm lovees
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Ayam wam troll bm lovees
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Could you please stop? smile.gif

Don't troll lah. Contribute to the discussion.
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 23 2015, 09:53 AM)
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Tapi I kerja,so
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Doesn't matter. Compared to others you still tak cukup makan garam, but bunyinya macam dah....all vicarious butthurt doesn't count.
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APA BAHASA YANG DIGUNAKAN DALAM NAMA PENUH "UMNO"?
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Melayu

Unitat Melayu Nasional Organisasi
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In Malaysia;

BM no use lala not international language lala

In overseas;

Hai, Apa khabar! Dari Malaysia juga ke? Bahasa bahasa bahasa bahasa.

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 02:43 PM)
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...orant-buffoons/

Learn our national language, you ignorant buffoons!
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?

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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
A realist.

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
Well-traveled.

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
Traditional.
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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 22 2015, 03:19 PM)
just learn malay for unity la...

you guys want malay to accept you guys, but refuse to learn the language....
topkek...
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Ya ya, true also. Now just learn malay for unity lah, if not how malay accept non-malays?

When you non-malays make complain about laid back working style of malays, how can malays accept non-malays? nons must learn how to embrace laid back lifestyle la!

When you non-malays make noise about azan calls in the morning, how can malays accept non-malays? nons must learn how to embrace azan calls laaa!

When Christians put cross on shoplot, and the malays tear it down, it's because you non-malays not learning about islam. If nons don't learn islam and follow islam, how can you expect malays accept you?

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I don't get it why they make is so fcking complicated nowadays. Last 10 yrs selamba only we all mix with other races talking in bahasa melayu and english with ease and chinese all campur....

As years go by the system becomes sibei mempersiasuikan betul. #pandibetul #mempersiasuikan
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Could you please stop?  smile.gif 

Don't troll lah. Contribute to the discussion.
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Diamlah. You everytime post news also never contribute. Copy pasta jer. Tiu.

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Diamlah. You everytime post news also never contribute. Tiu.
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Not too bad.

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pundek this author. ayam cainis can speak good bm cina england and gunjur gunjur yindia but i still prefer speak england. england more prospect work oppurtunity. bm - kroni. danka bee end for divide n conquer strats. now my england powerful. true story.

inb4 ayam bangang yes
inb4 ayam no 3.85 bodo
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
A realist.

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
Well-traveled.

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
Traditional.
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Could you please stop?  smile.gif 

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actually i used to think BM is useless

bu after I go to interior of Sabah and Sarawak I find that it's easier to convert those bumi to Christian by using BM to preach bible to them.
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25 posts so far, but some are not worthy contributions. 

Not too bad. 

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Diamlah bodoh mamak copy pasta never contribute anything.
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
Malaysian....normal

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
A realist who know that BM is useless in international.

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
A modern person and a excellent person

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
A traditional who refuse to accept the new modern world. Mindset stuck in olden world where BM is lingua franca.
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Diamlah bodoh mamak copy pasta never contribute anything.
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
Malaysian....normal

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
A realist who know that BM is useless in international.

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
A modern person and a excellent person

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
A traditional who refuse to  accept the new modern world. Mindset stuck in olden world where BM is lingua franca.
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I think you got the last one wrong...please edit and re-write. The first 3 is correct.

75/100

B - for your sociology study.
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tbe article is about not neglecting our own national language but the writer could have presented it in a much better way.

calling others buffoons for not preferring the usage of national language is rather tactless. not to mention rude. i'm sure her parents and her religion have taught her better than that. but i guess she didn't pick those up well enough.

you don't learn a language for the sake of unity, it's not a very bright idea. however, you learn a language to minimize conflict as you get to communicate your thoughts better. if language is the key to unity, there wouldn't be civil wars.

anyhow, the article is garbage. not worth referring to. TS probably can produce a better article than her.
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QUOTE(NeedForDerp @ Nov 23 2015, 11:08 AM)
pundek this author. ayam cainis can speak good bm cina england and gunjur gunjur yindia but i still prefer speak england. england more prospect work oppurtunity. bm - kroni. danka bee end for divide n conquer strats. now my england powerful. true story.

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inb4 ayam no 3.85 bodo
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I think you got the last one wrong...please edit and re-write. The first 3 is correct.

75/100

B - for your sociology study.
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What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
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please correct me sir

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
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Chill I.B.~
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
An ignorant Malaysia

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
An egoistic

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
An egoistic

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
Normal people because everyone will uphold their own native language... The japanese do that, the german do that, the thai people to that, the russians do that, the latvian do that also...

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please correct me sir

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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
An ignorant Malaysia

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
An egoistic

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
An egoistic

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
Normal people because everyone will uphold their own native language... The japanese do that, the german do that, the thai people to that, the russians do that, the latvian do that also...
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The word egoistic is an adjective. Adjectives modify a noun or a pronoun. Where is the noun or pronoun?


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The word egoistic is an adjective.  Adjectives modify a noun or a pronoun.  Where is the noun or pronoun?
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"kowg ni da dok msia ckp je r bhs mlayu, ssh sgt ker? poyo nk ckp bhs org putih ni apsal ek?"
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QUOTE(bigblackpikachu @ Nov 23 2015, 11:57 AM)
"kowg ni da dok msia ckp je r bhs mlayu, ssh sgt ker? poyo nk ckp bhs org putih ni apsal ek?"
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bahasa rempit

new language in malaysia


for uni


MPU3992= BAHASA REMPIT MALAYSIA




coz we are english pppl

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why is this article in english?
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why is this article in english?
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So that those who refuse to use BM could possibly read it?  laugh.gif
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The word egoistic is an adjective.  Adjectives modify a noun or a pronoun.  Where is the noun or pronoun?
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"kowg ni da dok msia ckp je r bhs mlayu, ssh sgt ker? poyo nk ckp bhs org putih ni apsal ek?"
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I think this article was well written and it does raise a valid point...imagine the Syrian refugees moving to Europe now and living there , after 100 years their descendants ask the german government yo stop emphasizing the German language and to focus on English ..... Do u think that will fly ??? I admit my BM is not as good as my English or my French but I can speak it and I do try to communicate the best way I can, As a Malaysian we should b able to speak the language of the nation we are born and raised in , after all 100/200 years ago some of our ancestors would have had to live of the mercy of the inhabitants of this land.....it's not too much effort to honor those who took our forefathers in and whose descendants with whom we share this country with .....
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I think this article was well written and it does raise a valid point...imagine the Syrian refugees moving to Europe now and living there , after 100 years their descendants ask the german government yo stop emphasizing the German language and to focus on English ..... Do u think that will fly ??? I admit my BM is not as good as my English or my French but I can speak it and I do try to communicate the best way I can, As a Malaysian we should b able to speak the language of the nation we are born and raised in , after all 100/200 years ago some of our ancestors would have had to live of the mercy of the inhabitants of this land.....it's not too much effort to honor those who took our forefathers in and whose descendants with whom we share this country with .....
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Malay language is so much easier to learn compared to more complex languages like English and Mandarin. It's our national language, so fundamentally all Malaysians should at least know how to speak and read Malay.

If anyone wants to migrate to Denmark or Japan for example, you must pass their language exam first before you can be a citizen.

In my opinion, every MP should be fluent in both Malay and English. They're representing the people!
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So that those who refuse to use BM could possibly read it?  laugh.gif
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Precisely! rclxms.gif

Btw, if everyone champions the Malaysian agenda, why the big hoo-haa over the usage of our national language? If we take pride of our country, shouldn't we also take pride of our national identity which comprises our national language? hmm.gif

For those who take offense of my name calling, please remember that I only called those who do not take pride in our national language as ignorant buffoons. But then again, I guess "Siapa makan cili, dia lah yang terasa pedasnya" cool2.gif

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QUOTE(fa_abdul @ Nov 23 2015, 03:42 PM)
Precisely!  rclxms.gif

Btw, if everyone champions the Malaysian agenda, why the big hoo-haa over the usage of our national language? If we take pride of our country, shouldn't we also take pride of our national identity which comprises our national language?   hmm.gif

For those who take offense of my name calling, please remember that I only called those who do not take pride in our national language as ignorant buffoons. But then again, I guess "Siapa makan cili, dia lah yang terasa pedasnya"  cool2.gif

Cheers!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I memang not proud.. What is there to be proud of our BM?
Nothing

Stupid bm defenders


Repair the bm that now derailed to Bahasa rempit only talk..

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 23 2015, 03:49 PM)
I memang not proud.. What is there to be proud of our BM?
Nothing

Stupid bm defenders
Repair the bm that now derailed to Bahasa rempit only talk..
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then you are against bahasa rempit... not BM
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 23 2015, 03:49 PM)
I memang not proud.. What is there to be proud of our BM?
Nothing

Stupid bm defenders
Repair the bm that now derailed to Bahasa rempit only talk..
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QUOTE(fa_abdul @ Nov 23 2015, 03:42 PM)
Precisely!  rclxms.gif

Btw, if everyone champions the Malaysian agenda, why the big hoo-haa over the usage of our national language? If we take pride of our country, shouldn't we also take pride of our national identity which comprises our national language?  hmm.gif

For those who take offense of my name calling, please remember that I only called those who do not take pride in our national language as ignorant buffoons. But then again, I guess "Siapa makan cili, dia lah yang terasa pedasnya"  cool2.gif

Cheers!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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lol.

condemnation.



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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 23 2015, 03:49 PM)
I memang not proud.. What is there to be proud of our BM?
Nothing

Stupid bm defenders
Repair the bm that now derailed to Bahasa rempit only talk..
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It's not about feeling proud or not. It's about respecting our national language. Every country has their own national language and their people respect the language.
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everytime there's a topic about this people will always use bahasa rempit as an excuse for their incompetence

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QUOTE(steven789 @ Nov 23 2015, 11:21 AM)
It's not about feeling proud or not. It's about respecting our national language. Every country has their own national language and their people respect the language.
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Actually I do think it's about being proud of it. As a Malaysian I'm proud of it. But not when most people I see use bahasa rempit, the media using made up English words that are BMised, and even a lot of malays making simple mistakes.
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Learn BM, you will strengthen the unity among the people ie Malaysians.

Learn English, you will progress alot due to the extensive material of knowledge.

Learn mandarin/Tamil/French/German and you have another point of view.

edit: chinese is not a language

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QUOTE(tescogot @ Nov 23 2015, 04:24 PM)
everytime there's a topic about this people will always use bahasa rempit as an excuse for their incompetence
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I got A for my BM wu whistling.gif

Only fail once in Form 1 and 2

From Form 3 onwards never fail till now.
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Learn BM, you will strengthen the unity among the people ie Malaysians.

Learn English, you will progress alot due to the extensive material of knowledge.

Learn mandarin/Tamil/French/German and you have another point of view.

edit: chinese is not a language
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But BN people say "Kemaluan saya sangat sangat BESAR" and "Orang orang mude sekarang banyak suka hisap dade".
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Lel.
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but it is one of the key
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Of course it is not simple, people will always find ways to segregate us.

But imo I felt it is always been attractive when speakers from other native tounge able to converse bahasa.
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Of course it is not simple, people will always find ways to segregate us.

But imo I felt it is always been attractive when speakers from other native tounge able to converse bahasa.
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Riduan sure attractive la
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Nearly all major subjects except languages are in bm. Guess that system failed if we still need to learn it.
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Riduan sure attractive la
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QUOTE(rjsyazwan @ Nov 23 2015, 05:00 PM)
Of course it is not simple, people will always find ways to segregate us.

But imo I felt it is always been attractive when speakers from other native tounge able to converse bahasa.
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QUOTE(rjsyazwan @ Nov 23 2015, 05:00 PM)
Of course it is not simple, people will always find ways to segregate us.

But imo I felt it is always been attractive when speakers from other native tounge able to converse bahasa.
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IMHO, i think so too.

QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 05:01 PM)
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2015, 09:41 AM)
It is really "up to you lah"

That was my point.

Nobody has the right to force anyone to learn Bahasa.
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just like a parent have no rights over their children, or a company no rights over what their employees need or need not have? in Malaysia, the Government asks it's people to speak the national language. I think it's a fair enough requirement.

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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
A realist.

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
Well-traveled.

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
Traditional.
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1. yes a malaysian, but what kind of malaysian? the reason he/she decide not to speak the language speaks about the person.
2.a realist? how so?
3.well-travelled... wha? what does that have to do with anything?? in any case, so most people here who despises the malay language is well traveled? I bet you most of them do not even bother to learn the language of the country their visiting..
4.you can uphold the language spoken by your forefathers no problem. no problem with being traditional as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
but it'd be really great to learn the national language too. if you have not learned it due to the lack of exposure, then I understand, and I hope the govenrment would better remedial the issue. if they are really keen having the people conversing in malay.

tldr:
Basically.. everyone or anyone is a malaysian either he/she be a criminial, unkind,uncaring,dishonorable,kind,nice,hardworking,etc.. but
the reason's you chose not to learn the language might refeclt on what kind of malaysian you are. the matter is nuanced. it's not as simple as being practising one's right or not.


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Ya ya, true also. Now just learn malay for unity lah, if not how malay accept non-malays?

When you non-malays make complain about laid back working style of malays, how can malays accept non-malays? nons must learn how to embrace laid back lifestyle la!

When you non-malays make noise about azan calls in the morning, how can malays accept non-malays? nons must learn how to embrace azan calls laaa!

When Christians put cross on shoplot, and the malays tear it down, it's because you non-malays not learning about islam. If nons don't learn islam and follow islam, how can you expect malays accept you?

Insaf laa
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I know you are being sarcastic. your comments are in the verge of favoritism. there are other troubles caused by the others races in malaysia. your comments work vice versa with the chinese and indians too. perhaps even other minorites in malaysia. you don't think the malays have issue with other ethnic's conduct? sad.gif

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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

this reminds me of a tv show. Where an American ask an Hispanic guy to speak American. I'm like wtf. Not english meh. laugh.gif Seems like some American also gila maruah nak protek protek speaking English. Referring english as American. topkek

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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

this reminds me of a tv show. Where an American ask an Hispanic guy to speak American. I'm like wtf. Not english meh. laugh.gif Seems like some American also gila maruah nak protek protek speaking English. Referring english as American. topkek
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it's depend on the person, it could be gila maruah, it could also be about ideals a government have for it's country. the japanese enforce japanese the arabs enforce arabic. so on and so forth.
but truthfully.. macam ni lah.. you guys do what you want. don't learn the language, perhaps it is for the best.

Edited my post above and here. since there are errors in what I meant to express.

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it's depend on the person, it could be gila maruah, it could also be about ideals a government have for it's country. the japanese enforce japanese the arabs enforce arabic. so on and so forth.
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I mean if v do trace back who created English or Malay. I doubt Malay language was created by Malaysians, I doubt English was created by American. So I feel there's no need to feel so proud and refer to those that can't speak Malay is not considered as Malaysian.

Malay as in our BM most likely is developed from Bahasa Indon? Not sure on this. And also English I doubt is created by the Americans. Must have been thousand years ago, ppl move to America and stay there, after some time, English is accepted or something lik dat.

Being Malaysian is not only about able to speak Malay, altho that is 1 of the feature of being a Malaysian. Being Malaysian means much more, we got different variety of foods, experience diff cultures, etc.
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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

this reminds me of a tv show. Where an American ask an Hispanic guy to speak American. I'm like wtf. Not english meh. laugh.gif Seems like some American also gila maruah nak protek protek speaking English. Referring english as American. topkek
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Not sure if kuda, wiminz, murrican or all.

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I mean if v do trace back who created English or Malay. I doubt Malay language was created by Malaysians, I doubt English was created by American. So I feel there's no need to feel so proud and refer to those that can't speak Malay is not considered as Malaysian.

Malay as in our BM most likely is developed from Bahasa Indon? Not sure on this. And also English I doubt is created by the Americans. Must have been thousand years ago, ppl move to America and stay there, after some time, English is accepted or something lik dat.

Being Malaysian is not only about able to speak Malay, altho that is 1 of the feature of being a Malaysian. Being Malaysian means much more, we got different variety of foods, experience diff cultures, etc.
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Sigh, that ignorance~
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Actually it is a nice trick for DAP this time, semangat kenegerian of Sarawakian is still pretty strong.

If parliment officially denying the rights of Sarawakians, be ready to see protek from both bumi/non-bumi Sarawakians.
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I mean if v do trace back who created English or Malay. I doubt Malay language was created by Malaysians, I doubt English was created by American. So I feel there's no need to feel so proud and refer to those that can't speak Malay is not considered as Malaysian.

Malay as in our BM most likely is developed from Bahasa Indon? Not sure on this. And also English I doubt is created by the Americans. Must have been thousand years ago, ppl move to America and stay there, after some time, English is accepted or something lik dat.

Being Malaysian is not only about able to speak Malay, altho that is 1 of the feature of being a Malaysian. Being Malaysian means much more, we got different variety of foods, experience diff cultures, etc.
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1.today, the region have been divided by definition of a country, long ago it was kingdoms.. but you have to understand.. put borders aside, malaysia and indonesia are close neighbours... at it's core, the malay are them, and vice - versa. their connections runs deep. the malays,indonesian,etc.. are the people of Nusantara. now the malay language is the language of malaysia, yes it its a very close derivative to the indonesian language(if it's even a derivative.. I dare not say for sure.. since the two countries are so close.. and I am for the most part ignorant), but the malays and indonesians are indeed close. culturally, ethnically and language.

2.it is as you say..but remember, it is an undeniable fact that the malay language is a part of the land's culture.

P.S, you are a malaysian whether you could speak malay or not.. of course! No one should say otherwise..

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1.today, the region have been divided by definition of a country, long ago it was kingdoms.. but you have to understand.. put borders aside, malaysia and indonesia are close neighbours... at it's core, the malay are them, and vice - versa. their connections runs deep. the malays,indonesian,etc.. are the people of Nusantara. now the malay language is the language of malaysia, yes it its a very close derivative to the indonesian language, but the malays and indonesians are indeed close. culturally, ethnically and language.

2.it is as you say..but remember, it is an undeniable fact that the malay language is a part of the land's culture.

P.S, you are a  malaysian whether you could speak malay or not.. of course! No one should say otherwise..
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Yea. What I was implying in my previous post is that the root of Malay language, might not necessary be from Malaysia. The very first usage of the Malay language might be from some other kingdoms/region.

Did some google-ing.

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The Ancient Malay or Proto-Malay is the language believed to exist in prehistoric times, spoken by the early Austronesian settlers in the region. Its ancestor, the Proto-Malayo-Polynesian language that derived from Proto-Austronesian, began to break up by at least 2000 BCE as a result possibly by the southward expansion of Austronesian peoples into the Philippines, Borneo, Maluku and Sulawesi from the island of Taiwan. Proto-Malay language was spoken in Borneo at least by 1000 BCE and was, it has been argued, the ancestral language of all subsequent Malay dialects. Linguists generally agree that the homeland of the Malayic-Dayak languages is in Borneo, based on its geographic spread in the interior, its variations that are not due to contact-induced change, and its sometimes conservative character.[3] Around the beginning of the first millennium, Malayic speakers had established settlements in the coastal regions of modern-day South Central Vietnam, Tambelan, Riau Islands, Sumatra, Malay peninsula, Borneo, Luzon, Maluku Islands, Bangka-Belitung Islands and Java.[4]


Long long time ago, some other parts of Asia/Borneo do speak Malay too.

Kudos to Malaysia for establishing Malay as the national language. I have no problem with that. Just that someone could not comprehend what I wrote, or maybe my writing skill no gud. laugh.gif


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Tell that to China and their Putonghua.
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Yea. What I was implying in my previous post is that the root of Malay language, might not necessary be from Malaysia. The very first usage of the Malay language might be from some other kingdoms/region.

Did some google-ing.
Long long time ago, some other parts of Asia/Borneo do speak Malay too.

Kudos to Malaysia for establishing Malay as the national language. I have no problem with that. Just that someone could not comprehend what I wrote, or maybe my writing skill no gud.  laugh.gif
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the connections runs deep as you've pointed out. oh, and it was nice chatting with you.
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:48 PM)
the connections runs deep as you've pointed out. oh, and it was nice chatting with you.
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nah, it was a nice read too google-ing about the history of Malay language.
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nah, it was a nice read too google-ing about the history of Malay language.
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QUOTE(prags85 @ Nov 23 2015, 01:32 PM)
I think this article was well written and it does raise a valid point...imagine the Syrian refugees moving to Europe now and living there , after 100 years their descendants ask the german government yo stop emphasizing the German language and to focus on English ..... Do u think that will fly ??? I admit my BM is not as good as my English or my French but I can speak it and I do try to communicate the best way I can, As a Malaysian we should b able to speak the language of the nation we are born and raised in , after all 100/200 years ago some of our ancestors would have had to live of the mercy of the inhabitants of this land.....it's not too much effort to honor those who took our forefathers in and whose descendants with whom we share this country with .....
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Au contraire, I thought the article was rather stupid, but emblematic of the mindset that is causing the problems in this country. Language is not a zero sum game: you do not become more or less patriotic just because you speak one language or another. If you want to communicate the best you can, you learn as many languages as you are able to, and an enlightened government can encourage such multilingualism. In this day and age we need to be global citizens and being able to speak many languages opens that door for us.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 23 2015, 07:51 PM)
Au contraire, I thought the article was rather stupid, but emblematic of the mindset that is causing the problems in this country. Language is not a zero sum game: you do not become more or less patriotic just because you speak one language or another. If you want to communicate the best you can, you learn as many languages as you are able to, and an enlightened government can encourage such multilingualism. In this day and age we need to be global citizens and being able to speak many languages opens that door for us.
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with people having a hard time learning 1 national language.. you want the government to enforce other languages too? hmm.gif truthfully I support the idea.I agree prags85 comment and yours.. it's just that at it's core the people as a whole can't be bothered to learn too much languages you know? who's going to forfeit the education budget? plus, would the people spend time to learn french etc..? it'd be good if they would, but before global citizens, we are malaysian citizens. unless you believe in Novus Ordo Seclorum laugh.gif


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Thanks to him, i am aware of the news in Malaysia!
Keep it up Joe mamak!
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yup.......not as united as you think
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Worse without putonghua, if people from one region cannot communicate to the other. Then they will identify themselves not as PRC, but according to regions.
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so?

having a common language is just that, having a common language.

rwandan still kill each other despite having a common language.

what goes on in a person's mind and the attitude of the person is entirely different thing.



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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 09:04 PM)
so?

having a common language is just that, having a common language.

rwandan still kill each other despite having a common language.

what goes on in a person's mind and the attitude of the person is entirely different thing.


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yes, but people will only start loving each other once they know each other... but how they gonna know each other if they dont know what each other is trying to say?
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language is just a tool to communicate........what the person want to communicate about is an entirely different matter.

you can say that it is a catalyst for unity, also a catalyst for disunity.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 09:10 PM)
language is just a tool to communicate........what the person want to communicate about is an entirely different matter.

you can say that it is a catalyst for unity, also a catalyst for disunity.
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but it is in fact a catalyst...

like other tools, it still depends on the user...

still, it is one of the useful tools to unite with each other...
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but it is in fact a catalyst...

like other tools, it still depends on the user...

still, it is one of the useful tools to unite with each other...
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tool in itself is neutral.

there's no need to label them with attributes it doesn't carry
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each negeri should start teaching the local dialect instead of bahasa baku that forced fed down to everyone throat and the syllabus always changing.


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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:03 PM)
just like a parent have no rights over their children, or a company no rights over what their employees need or need not have? in Malaysia, the Government asks it's people to speak the national language. I think it's a fair enough requirement.
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Let me tell you something.

You should really take a look at the root why some people are turned off at this.

Don't bother replying back to me. It's something for you to ponder.

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tool in itself is neutral.

there's no need to label them with attributes it doesn't carry
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Not really sure if you know what you are talking about.

Currently we are saying that "national language" is useful, and should be used.
You are saying that " national language" can be good or bad, therefore should not be adopted.

In other words...
YellowKingValley: Fire useful. Lets use fire as a tool.
slimey: Fire can be good or bad. Avoid fire. No to fire.
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 08:05 PM)
with people  having a hard time learning 1 national language.. you want the government to enforce other languages too? hmm.gif  truthfully I support the idea.I agree prags85 comment and yours.. it's just that at it's core the people as a whole can't be bothered to learn too much languages you know? who's going to forfeit the education budget? plus, would the people spend time to learn french etc..? it'd be good if they would, but before global citizens, we are malaysian citizens. unless you believe in Novus Ordo Seclorum  laugh.gif
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let's not confuse ourselves between what ought to be done and how its done.
Multilingualism is the right way to go. Why we can't do it on the other hand is simply a long term consequence of that well intentioned but ill conceived attempt at social engineering we call the NEP. Our country spends so much per capita on education and yet sees so little return. Have you ever stopped to ask why? My parents were teachers. My late grandfather was a state officer. I've seen it first hand: it's all about incompetence and corruption exacerbated by a stupid policy that places ethnicity over merit.
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Precisely!  rclxms.gif

Btw, if everyone champions the Malaysian agenda, why the big hoo-haa over the usage of our national language? If we take pride of our country, shouldn't we also take pride of our national identity which comprises our national language?  hmm.gif

For those who take offense of my name calling, please remember that I only called those who do not take pride in our national language as ignorant buffoons. But then again, I guess "Siapa makan cili, dia lah yang terasa pedasnya"  cool2.gif

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2015, 09:41 PM)
Let me tell you something.

You should really take a look at the root why some people are turned off at this.

Don't bother replying back to me. It's something for you to ponder.
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forgive me if I misunderstood. but are you implying that the government is a different example from parents and Companies? thus the analogy itself is incompatible?

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 23 2015, 10:07 PM)
let's not confuse ourselves between what ought to be done and how its done.
Multilingualism is the right way to go. Why we can't do it on the other hand is simply a long term consequence of that well intentioned but ill conceived attempt at social engineering we call the NEP. Our country spends so much per capita on education and yet sees so little return. Have you ever stopped to ask why? My parents were teachers. My late grandfather was a state officer. I've seen it first hand: it's all about incompetence and corruption exacerbated by a stupid policy that places ethnicity over merit.
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thanks for your reply. I will think more about the issue of broadening the usage of other languages(+BM) in our country.
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thanks for your reply. I will think more about the issue of broadening the usage of other languages(+BM) in our country.
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You claimed its so hard to learn even 1 language. The average Chinese Malaysian or Indian Malaysian speaks 2 if not 3 or 4, even more if you count the dialects. So basically it's not hard. Just a matter how we go about executing formal language education. I'm just pointing out the real reason why it seems harder than it really is: bad execution as a result of organic incompetence.
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forgive me if I misunderstood. but are you implying that the government is a different example from parents and Companies?  thus the analogy itself is incompatible?
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 23 2015, 10:32 PM)
You claimed its so hard to learn even 1 language. The average Chinese Malaysian  or Indian Malaysian speaks 2 if not 3 or 4, even more if you count the dialects. So basically it's not hard. Just a matter how we go about executing formal language education. I'm just pointing out the real reason why it seems harder than it really is: bad execution as a result of organic incompetence.
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you have misunderstood me. I did not claim it is hard to learn another language. but I commented that people as a whole are very reluctant in learning a language(a funny irony is the topic at hand).But, it's is actually difficult to learn another language should a person not already picked it up during his childhood.
I think that there are people in this country failed to ace their mandarin proficiency test. and a malay might know malay,english,reciting arabic(but not know it's meaning)and they could also pick up several dialects.
I agree about the education. I have said before that it is up to the government to provide good edu for the adoption of the national language. But if the people themselves are reluctant, than the gov would either let it go or enforce it.
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let's not confuse ourselves between what ought to be done and how its done.
Multilingualism is the right way to go. Why we can't do it on the other hand is simply a long term consequence of that well intentioned but ill conceived attempt at social engineering we call the NEP. Our country spends so much per capita on education and yet sees so little return. Have you ever stopped to ask why? My parents were teachers. My late grandfather was a state officer. I've seen it first hand: it's all about incompetence and corruption exacerbated by a stupid policy that places ethnicity over merit.
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I lack much knowledge but as of now I actually somewhat agree with this statement. but there are specifics that I am not contented with. but if I do discuss them, it'll perhaps be too sensitive. not for here. these kinds of talks is perhaps not suited for texts in a forum, since it's harder to express the words.

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lol this is the funniest piece of shit article
wanna promote BM..but write and bunga bunga in English. OK.

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 10:47 PM)
you have misunderstood me. I did not claim it is hard to learn another language. but I commented that people as a whole are very reluctant in learning a language(a funny irony is the topic at hand).But, it's is actually difficult to learn another language should a person not already picked it up during his childhood.
I think that there are people in this country failed to ace their mandarin proficiency test. and a malay might know malay,english,reciting arabic(but not know it's meaning)and they could also pick up several dialects.
I agree about the education. I have said before that it is up to the government to provide good edu for the adoption of the national language. But if the people themselves are reluctant, than the gov would either let it go or enforce it.
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Which goes back to the point I made earlier: if we had a forward looking and competent government guided by sensible policy we wouldn't be in this mess.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 23 2015, 11:36 PM)
Which goes back to the point I made earlier: if we had a forward looking and competent government guided by sensible policy we wouldn't be in this mess.
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I understand and agree with your points but I have to ask: is it entirely the government fault for the people not wanting to learn the national language?

question rephrased
this is my last question for this thread. honest.

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I feel dat as long as u can communicate wif others in basic BM, then it's sufficient alrdy. Many dropouts who bcome mechanics, plumbers, etc. can communicate wif others despite using broken BM. Language helps people get their message across, so if d mesej can b understood w/o being proficient in BM, why force people 2 deliberately improve their BM? Just to please people who love to "memartabatkan Bahasa Melayu"?

Making the proficiency of our national language one of the fundamentals of citizenship in Malaysia is overdoing it. Many wud b forced 2 give up citizenships, despite being good, law-abiding citizens. Labeling people wif poor grasp of BM as "ignorant buffoons" is degrading & unrespectful, bcause these people may hav their reasons for their lack of proficiency.

However, learning BM is a must, bcause u roughly nid 2 know how 2 communicate to Msians who oni speak BM. (despite speaking "bahasa pasar") BM is oso useful bcause nearly everyone knows it. Besides, it's oso our national language, which is our identity.

P.S.- You can encourage people 2b better in BM, but u cant force them 2 improve or use BM if they refuse to.

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 24 2015, 12:23 AM)
I understand and agree with your points but I have to ask:  is it entirely the government fault for the people not wanting to learn the national language?

question rephrased
this is my last question for this thread. honest.
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Err yes... the problem is very simple

A) Barisan National - Keeps promoting vernacular schools.
B) Opposition - Either keeps quiet or fights for parents who complain that there are not enough vernacular schools.

So why need 25 pages for this?
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QUOTE(SelfieMaster @ Nov 22 2015, 02:47 PM)
Kindly explain why is this article written in English instead of Malay.
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This is written specifically for those who looks at national language with contempt.

If she could write in Mandarin and Tamil, I bet she would.

But wait? What about those Malays who speak and write incomprehensive Malays which is only understood by their group only? This is the group that damages BM the most! Own language buat pakai cam nakharom.
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QUOTE(hellokitten @ Nov 24 2015, 01:45 AM)
Err yes... the problem is very simple

A) Barisan National - Keeps promoting vernacular schools.
B) Opposition - Either keeps quiet or fights for parents who complain that there are not enough vernacular schools.

So why need 25 pages for this?
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are for or against vernacular schools then? I couldn't help myself from asking another question... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 24 2015, 02:08 AM)
are for or against vernacular schools then? I couldn't help myself from asking another question... sweat.gif
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Against... additional languages can be taught at Kebangsaan schools as an elective module or an extra curricular class ...

I'm also against institutional racism...


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QUOTE(BoonieTan @ Nov 24 2015, 01:53 AM)
This is written specifically for those who looks at national language with contempt.

If she could write in Mandarin and Tamil, I bet she would.

But wait? What about those Malays who speak and write incomprehensive Malays which is only understood by their group only? This is the group that damages BM the most! Own language buat pakai cam nakharom.
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lol.. they could use it for play(like K/), but in work places,formal gatherings, etc.. they probably should not be using it laugh.gif
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QUOTE(hellokitten @ Nov 24 2015, 02:13 AM)
Against... additional languages can be taught at Kebangsaan schools as an elective module or an extra curricular class ...

I'm also against institutional racism...
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ooh I see.. I have some thoughts on this but.. I would like to stay away from the topic.. not appropriate I think.

I'm against racism in general(I'm sure you are too). either institutionally or by the people. for racism from the people could raise racism in governing and racism in governing would certainly give rise to racism in people.

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im not reading 26 pages

1) We are malaysians, we need to be able to speak BM

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enforced compulsory in unrelated fields are stupid.
the article argues about one specific field, medicine. ofcourse BM proficiency is important, you're dealing with all sorts of patients.
but to be fair, what business do those in IT, engineering, actuarial fields etc, have with having good marks in BM?

my thoughts, you can speak malay? good for u ler.
but NOT, "you can't speak malay? go retake whole semester for a totally unrelated subject.
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:03 PM)
just like a parent have no rights over their children, or a company no rights over what their employees need or need not have? in Malaysia, the Government asks it's people to speak the national language. I think it's a fair enough requirement.
1. yes a malaysian, but what kind of malaysian? the reason he/she decide not to speak the language speaks about the person.
2.a realist? how so?
3.well-travelled... wha? what does that have to do with anything?? in any case, so most people here who despises the malay language is well traveled? I bet you most of them do not even bother to learn the language of the country their visiting..
4.you can uphold the language spoken by your forefathers no problem. no problem with being traditional as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
but it'd be really great to learn the national language too. if you have not learned it due to the lack of exposure, then I understand, and I hope the govenrment would better remedial the issue. if they are really keen having the people conversing in malay.

tldr:
Basically.. everyone or anyone is a malaysian either he/she be a criminial, unkind,uncaring,dishonorable,kind,nice,hardworking,etc.. but
the reason's you chose not to learn the language might refeclt on what kind of malaysian you are. the matter is nuanced. it's not as simple as being practising one's right or not.
I know you are being sarcastic.  your comments are in the verge of favoritism. there are other troubles caused by the others races in malaysia. your comments work vice versa with the chinese and indians too. perhaps even other minorites in malaysia. you don't think the malays have issue with other ethnic's conduct?  sad.gif
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1. BM has the formal variant, and the pasar variant, and the kelantanese/terengganu variant. My experience is that malays rarely use 100% malay language, it's mostly a BM mix English. The village BM speakers rarely use the formal variant, and has heavy jargons, rendering conversation with others difficult.

2. Well... if lets say someone who represents you is an embarrassment, you'd have to be in denial not to be, right?

3. No, the question was someone who would rather speak other languages over malay language, not someone who despises it, that's question no.2

4. I'm pretty sure everyone who grew up in this country learned the national language. Whether they use it or not is an entirely different issue. Your concern is no doubt why are there so few non-malays using the malay language, and the reason is very simple. Relevance.

I'm sure the malays have PLENTY of issues with other ethnic's "conduct", and vice versa. There are 2 major differences between the camps. One imposes their standards on the other, the other camp doesn't. I'm sure you know which camp is which.
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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 24 2015, 12:23 AM)
I understand and agree with your points but I have to ask:  is it entirely the government fault for the people not wanting to learn the national language?

question rephrased
this is my last question for this thread. honest.
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That mindset just betrays the problem. By "people" do you mean the non-Malays specifically? Granted you don't see that many sasterawan negara who are non-Malays, but the majority of non-Malays in our country have functional mastery of Malay. We don't make a big deal about it, nor do we fuss that much about speaking English vs Mandarin vs Hokkien vs Cantonese in daily life. I don't see that among my Indian friends either. I'd say most would switch between languages as needed. On the other hand, there seems to be stigma among Malays about speaking anything but Malay. A collective lack of self-esteem perhaps? I don't have the answer to that, but this is where a government that has correctly identified the needs of the nation would take effective steps to address it, political expediency be damned. Too much political interference and lack of incompetence in our education system is the problem.

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