language is the next religion !

Not like the "pendatangs" will get tongkat if they are fluent in BM

sure? look at mamak and indonesia here....

Maybe it's because the non-malays are multilingual, but the malays are not?

The whole language debate is in need of a reframing. Most Malaysians seem to be stuck in a rut and falling the same arguments, whether it's English vs Malay, English vs Chinese, ad nauseum. It's not A vs B or B vs A, but "why not A + B + C + D, and what what can we do to make that happen?"

The most sensible article I have come across about the whole language debate was surprisingly, not from any of the regular nonsense news portals, but a car website:

Benarkah Industri Automotif Jepun dan Korea Maju Tanpa Bahasa Inggeris?

This post has been edited by oe_kintaro: Nov 24 2015, 04:17 PM

scoring 9As is rightly supposed to be difficult. That's the whole point. That's how we decide who is really smart and deserving. But if every Ali and Ah Kau can score 9As and crowd out the university placements / scholarship places for Medicine (thereby allowing MCA/The Star to do the yearly charade of "defending" the oppressed students denied a place in Medicine) that simply means the barriers are not high enough. However, that is a different story not within the direct scope of this debate.

Got question. The word Berbeda is Malay or Indonesian?
Today listen to news hear our TPM keep using the word berbeDa instead of berbeZa.
If our TPM also donno BM how la?

1. everywhere in the world you will find different variant from different languages,it's the nature of languages. but the people still need to understand the language. it's not a reason not too. yes, these days the malays are exposed to western media and their malay are mixed with english sometimes, but it is not as if they can't speak full bahasa, it is not as if they can't converse in bahasa or change to formal bahasa when the situation arises.

2. the language trancends the user. even if the politicians you consider to be an embarrassment it does not mean the people need to be embarrassed to speak the language.. if this is the way then everytime a new unpopular japanese prime minister is elected, the citizen question the use of it's national language?

3. it's no problem if you'd like to speak other languages. but do be able to speak bahasa should the situation arise.

4.I understand that relevance trumps all. if you consider it to be irrelevant than it's up to you. but what makes a thing relevant should be properly considered as well.

5.it's not just about the majority rule, there is subtlety in relations between people, things that are unspoken but is a problem. things you don't directly see as a problem. I have a few ideas in this regard, but I will not say. but honestly in my opinion, majority rule is usually the way to go. As long as it doesn't hinder too much on the minority. since you are referring to the malays, what are some of their standards that you are not content with? this so that I would have a bit of an understanding on yourself. Not to start a new discussion or anything.


my experience is different. I can't comment too much since you are speaking out of your experience.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 24 2015, 04:44 PM

so popular!!!!!!!! Until 27 pages.

tl;dr.

Kids these days are living in a society that worships straight "A"s. The whole idea behind the new School Based Assessment which many parents don't get, is to get away from the mugging / rote-learning culture focused on getting As, and to promote creative, more critical thinking skills. That is totally different issue altogether, (and please, don't let me get started on that. ). If you made it your student life's goal to get 9As that's for you to decide, but ideally it shouldn't mean that you should have to be shamed for getting less.

Where language is concerned, if a child wants to pick up multiple languages in school he should be allowed to do so and be provided the infrastructure.
The problem with the current language debate is that it takes energy, brain power and resources away from being able to focus on the needful.

tldr:

most don't mind on speaking malay(when need to), but doesn't want it to be a requirement in examinations.
fair enough I think.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 24 2015, 04:49 PM

Yes I know, the majority of Malaysians are blinded by racial rhetoric and pride and can't see the forest for the trees. Our politicians are stupid because we were stupid enough to elect them in the first place, and they put in place policies which made us stupider still so that we continue to elect them to office. The way language issues are debated in the public sphere is reflective of our inability to think clearly and critically. A sign perhaps, of our low educational standards?

I know I'm a lone and unpopular voice but some things still need to be said.

Well, nothing I can do, except make sure my own kids can speak multiple languages in the future.

try not to leave it broken: it may get you a few yen or won off when haggling while traveling on a package tour, but it won't open doors of opportunity like speaking a foreign language fluently does.

"If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart"

If someone can't even speak proficiently in a certain language yet brags he scored A on the paper regarding it, might as well get the fuck out.

malay has no hope in modern world..it has roughly 50k words, english has over 180k.

If u look at the latest dewan pustaka words, u will laugh...

Ori, establisymen, fenomena, Bersinonim, tesaurus, leksikon, glosari, , ensiklopedia...might as well just speak english rite?

TPM? u mean our timbalan PM? he budak indon ma. u x tau kah. kek

You see, its not about the quantity of the words, its about the quality. Sure, the current DBP copypaste the English words everywhere into their Malay translation, but there are certain things which stays with a language. For example, the proverbs, pantun, syair and the such. How does this equates to the modern world? Literature.

Just try translating a pantun and the its meaning into English by how it is conveyed and worded in the pantun. It shows that each language is unique and such, learn to speak (not just scoring A's) and understand it. Nobody loses something when learning language. He will gain something from it.

Belum pernah aku dengar orang rugi belajar bahasa Jepun, Mandarin, Pashtun, Perancis.

The best way to learn is when you are having fun. What started as hobby for me became a profitable sideline. When my colleagues found out I spoke a foreign language, it also transformed my career and afforded me opportunities I never imagined. Heck, even meeting my fiancee was an indirect result....

Hahaha...tok sampai bersembur mulut oso can't change a damn thing 😂