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briantwj
post Nov 22 2015, 03:39 PM

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ni lah jenis2 yg die die pun nak defend maruah. sweat.gif

Cannot affect the fact that in international stage English > BM. If lidis, ask bijan to ckp in BM when tokking to Obama la ok? Since u so bangga bout ur maruah. kek
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post Nov 22 2015, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(HITMAN316 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:05 PM)
As if BM is merely an optional subject in our primary and secondary schools.

But BM is a compulsory subject and we learned it for at least 11 years.

During my Form 5, some Chinese and Indians consistently outscored the Malays in BM, till our BM teacher held a 'chat' with the Malay students in our class. If they expect us to write the "bahasa berbunga-bunga", that's very hard for us to do because we are non-native speaker of BM.

BM is our national language and I respect that. But we have to be practical as well. Truth is the application of BM is very limited in business and science. Not only its usage, the vocabulary is limited as well. I would say the peoples who refuse to recognize the importance of English or refuse to learn a third language are also ignorant as well. They'll complain after refused employment by the private sector and end up leeching in government agencies.

Many of them will say the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, French, Germans, Russians are successful without English. Mind you that the Malaysian heritage, work ethic, culture and history are very different than those countries. Are we one of the kuasa besar dunia? What we have to offer to the world till they have to learn BM to master it?

Guess the writer is one of the many who are impressed by Banglas' ability to speak BM fluently in six months and ready to share his/her tongkat with Banglas.
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super agree in the bolded part. Even BM 'borrow' or derive words from English. Have we seen English 'borrow' or derive words from English? kek

gotta face the truth, English is the go to language in some of the science field.
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post Nov 22 2015, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 22 2015, 03:51 PM)
Then help the language to evolve la... Just put other language's word, we dont care...

you know, like kaotim, cincai, taiko....

Its not about business or science... its about unity and social life...
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how far can unity and social life brings us? Compare it to how far can business and science brings us.


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post Nov 22 2015, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 22 2015, 03:55 PM)
whats the point having good business and science if you dont have a good unity and social life?
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Unity and social life can be achieved in other methods. But in business and science, no choice but to use English.

Unity can be achieved with educations, equal rights etc. Social life, it's up to the person la, nak guna bahasa apa. Coz it's their social life.

But when it comes to dealing with business and science thing, better to use English imo.
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:29 PM)
bcos now its divided to

bahasa pasar

bahasa rempit
so it cut off my interest in bm already, so no way
but still I speak BM as I have no choice, but i make sure I speak english or other language only
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if say lidis, english oso got hipster language.

English Hipster = bahasa rempit

example of hipster vocab - devo, lol, my bad, rack (boob), chillax, yolo, fomo

I am not against learning BM, I'll learn it for the sake of knowledge. But the importance of BM, is only seen inside of Malaysia. While for international affairs regarding business and science, better stick to English imo.
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:40 PM)
at least its readable.
here:
aqew , titew, kenapew...and list bahasa rempit u can remember here
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well, if u noe bm, it's not that hard to understand.

aqew - aku
titew - itu?
kenapew - kenapa.

and this usually juz used in text messages and whatsapp, if u speak normal malay, they still still understand u, so i dun c the main problem. both side still able to communicate in normal bm. Unless this aqew, titew, kenapew is used in formal occassion, then I see a problem.

It's just like english slang lo, got Irish slang, Canada slang etc. If u understand normal English, high chance u will understand what they are saying. And both side still able to communicate in normal english.

I think the thing to debate here is the importance and benefits of BM and English. And in what field which language is more important.

whether u wan to learn or not, that is up to each and everyone's personal preference.

as for me, I'll still learn BM, coz the more language u noe, the more benefits it bring to u. rclxms.gif
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:06 PM

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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

this reminds me of a tv show. Where an American ask an Hispanic guy to speak American. I'm like wtf. Not english meh. laugh.gif Seems like some American also gila maruah nak protek protek speaking English. Referring english as American. topkek

This post has been edited by briantwj: Nov 23 2015, 07:07 PM
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:10 PM)
it's depend on the person, it could be gila maruah, it could also be about ideals a government have for it's country. the japanese enforce japanese the arabs enforce arabic. so on and so forth.
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I mean if v do trace back who created English or Malay. I doubt Malay language was created by Malaysians, I doubt English was created by American. So I feel there's no need to feel so proud and refer to those that can't speak Malay is not considered as Malaysian.

Malay as in our BM most likely is developed from Bahasa Indon? Not sure on this. And also English I doubt is created by the Americans. Must have been thousand years ago, ppl move to America and stay there, after some time, English is accepted or something lik dat.

Being Malaysian is not only about able to speak Malay, altho that is 1 of the feature of being a Malaysian. Being Malaysian means much more, we got different variety of foods, experience diff cultures, etc.
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Nov 23 2015, 07:19 PM)
Not sure if kuda, wiminz, murrican or all.

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post Nov 23 2015, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:34 PM)
1.today, the region have been divided by definition of a country, long ago it was kingdoms.. but you have to understand.. put borders aside, malaysia and indonesia are close neighbours... at it's core, the malay are them, and vice - versa. their connections runs deep. the malays,indonesian,etc.. are the people of Nusantara. now the malay language is the language of malaysia, yes it its a very close derivative to the indonesian language, but the malays and indonesians are indeed close. culturally, ethnically and language.

2.it is as you say..but remember, it is an undeniable fact that the malay language is a part of the land's culture.

P.S, you are a  malaysian whether you could speak malay or not.. of course! No one should say otherwise..
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Yea. What I was implying in my previous post is that the root of Malay language, might not necessary be from Malaysia. The very first usage of the Malay language might be from some other kingdoms/region.

Did some google-ing.

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The Ancient Malay or Proto-Malay is the language believed to exist in prehistoric times, spoken by the early Austronesian settlers in the region. Its ancestor, the Proto-Malayo-Polynesian language that derived from Proto-Austronesian, began to break up by at least 2000 BCE as a result possibly by the southward expansion of Austronesian peoples into the Philippines, Borneo, Maluku and Sulawesi from the island of Taiwan. Proto-Malay language was spoken in Borneo at least by 1000 BCE and was, it has been argued, the ancestral language of all subsequent Malay dialects. Linguists generally agree that the homeland of the Malayic-Dayak languages is in Borneo, based on its geographic spread in the interior, its variations that are not due to contact-induced change, and its sometimes conservative character.[3] Around the beginning of the first millennium, Malayic speakers had established settlements in the coastal regions of modern-day South Central Vietnam, Tambelan, Riau Islands, Sumatra, Malay peninsula, Borneo, Luzon, Maluku Islands, Bangka-Belitung Islands and Java.[4]


Long long time ago, some other parts of Asia/Borneo do speak Malay too.

Kudos to Malaysia for establishing Malay as the national language. I have no problem with that. Just that someone could not comprehend what I wrote, or maybe my writing skill no gud. laugh.gif


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post Nov 23 2015, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:48 PM)
the connections runs deep as you've pointed out. oh, and it was nice chatting with you.
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nah, it was a nice read too google-ing about the history of Malay language.
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post Nov 24 2015, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Nov 24 2015, 04:34 PM)
Got question. The word Berbeda is Malay or Indonesian?
Today listen to news hear our TPM keep using the word berbeDa instead of  berbeZa.
If our TPM also donno BM how la?
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TPM? u mean our timbalan PM? he budak indon ma. u x tau kah. kek

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