so it would reach the people that doesn't understand malay. this is meant for them ultimately no?

I've seen your posts before, and it's always positive.. not sure if your being sarcastic or not.

Novus Ordo Seclorum. edited.. nvm.

I don't think learning Bahasa is about necessity, it's more about identity. Understanding the roots of this Nation, it's people, respect. but if learning the national language is impossible for people to do. Imagine asking others to learn other languages. 1 by 1 la.. maybe after bahasa we could learn mandarin(canton), tamil, etc.. maybe even russian too? just for the heck of it. I guess letting the kids learn the language while they are young by the example of people,televison and books would at least give them proper usage of the language while conversing.
*edit* of course by making the language a necessity(<--not sure if this good..) will improve the adoption rate but hinder a lot of other people.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 22 2015, 08:51 PM

are you saying songlap is malay culture to spite the politicians that are upholding the necessity of the national language while also doing questionable activities? or did you just insult the malay people as a whole?

it is Bahasa Malaysia but it is also bahasa melayu.

not really.. Consider this, an Indian from india comes to malaysia. now he is called a malaysian. but is he still not an indian ethnically? of course he is. But he is also a Malaysian nationalistically. the Language of Melayu has been spoken by the people of this land + other parts in the Nusantara since long ago. it's roots is bahasa Melayu. and it is still today, but for the sake for it's new identity it would also be called as Bahasa Malaysia. but the people who has roots from the generations of old who dwell in the land for ages long past could still call it Bahasa Melayu. no problem at all. of course la.. the people who have stayed here for generations should just be considered a malaysian la.. (edit)and of course they could still be recognized as their ethnic root also.. no problem.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 22 2015, 09:31 PM

ok I get it.

I..I.. it's true.. I had nothing to do...

hi, I really like the japanese language too, since my favorite animation uses the language. plus I think the coolest sounding language is the sanskrit(it was used in prometheus. sounded so cool). but it is unrelated whether I should go travelling or not.. TQ.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 22 2015, 09:42 PM

I see. although I do not understand you being displeased with other people's liking of languages. I don't understand where this feeling of anger stems from.

Bm:
tetapi seseorang yang mempertahankan bahasa malaysia (seperti saya) tidak semestinya menghalang pengunaan bahasa lain. Atau inginkan peluang rakyat lain dihalang sekiranya pengetahuan BM mereka tidak memenuhi harapan ahli politik(lain cerita jika tahap yang perlu dipelajari rendah) tetapi pada saya hanya sampai tahap untuk bercakap sesama rakyat malaysia lain sudahlah.

English:
but a person who defends the national language (like me) does not necessarily mean that he barred the use of other languages. Nor does he want the opportunity of other citizens to be held from them because of their inability to satisfy the needed requirement of language mastery dictates by the government(note:should the level be unfair) only to the extent of conversing with the other malaysian is enough. <-- just opinion.
note:
bahasa nusantara adalah bahasa yang lama.. ianya hanya bahasa seperti bahasa-bahasa lain juga..

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 22 2015, 11:01 PM

jika saudara rasa begitu sudahlah. tidak mengapa selamat malam dan Harap aman selalu

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 22 2015, 10:42 PM

Agreed. but only if we make it an issue. There is no problem with people of other races here recognizing their ethnic roots but Also identified as Malaysian. the Same with Language, it is Bahasa Malaysia now, but it was and still is bahasa melayu. by Definition. for example, I like this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWf6KvoGgAI

sorry.. I forgot how to embed video... anyway.. I get what you're saying, BM should be recognized as Bahasa Malaysia Officially. But it could also be called and known as bahasa melayu. but in formal gatherings, newspaper, tele, it could be Shown as bahasa Malaysia only. no problem.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 22 2015, 10:59 PM

the video above is from the last samurai and the context begins at 3:40.. lol

my gosh.. the usage though

Lol!!!
*edited* funny iz funny

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 22 2015, 11:13 PM

you can't avoid enforcing in a country. it's what makes a country a country. there are laws to uphold. and there are different needs and priorities. the japanese would enforce japanese, the arabs would enforce arabic, so on and so forth.
Learning the language of the land isn't supposed to be an issue. But many people still take issue.
I'm not saying Malaysia is perfect, but we're in a country... it's a place with structure. a Malaysian should at least be able to converse in BM to speak with other malaysians (unless you don't plan on conversing much with the malays in malaysia. In this case I say up to you lah.. but we hidup mesti bercampur sebagai negara berbilang bangsa).
It's not just about the language itself. It's also about the identity of Malaysia, some people might not see it as being important but many do.
Of course, there are many other issues that is more important. I agree, but that does not mean to just throw our national language away...

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 02:20 AM

just like a parent have no rights over their children, or a company no rights over what their employees need or need not have? in Malaysia, the Government asks it's people to speak the national language. I think it's a fair enough requirement.

1. yes a malaysian, but what kind of malaysian? the reason he/she decide not to speak the language speaks about the person.
2.a realist? how so?
3.well-travelled... wha? what does that have to do with anything?? in any case, so most people here who despises the malay language is well traveled? I bet you most of them do not even bother to learn the language of the country their visiting..
4.you can uphold the language spoken by your forefathers no problem. no problem with being traditional as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
but it'd be really great to learn the national language too. if you have not learned it due to the lack of exposure, then I understand, and I hope the govenrment would better remedial the issue. if they are really keen having the people conversing in malay.

tldr:
Basically.. everyone or anyone is a malaysian either he/she be a criminial, unkind,uncaring,dishonorable,kind,nice,hardworking,etc.. but
the reason's you chose not to learn the language might refeclt on what kind of malaysian you are. the matter is nuanced. it's not as simple as being practising one's right or not.


I know you are being sarcastic. your comments are in the verge of favoritism. there are other troubles caused by the others races in malaysia. your comments work vice versa with the chinese and indians too. perhaps even other minorites in malaysia. you don't think the malays have issue with other ethnic's conduct?

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 07:14 PM

it's depend on the person, it could be gila maruah, it could also be about ideals a government have for it's country. the japanese enforce japanese the arabs enforce arabic. so on and so forth.
but truthfully.. macam ni lah.. you guys do what you want. don't learn the language, perhaps it is for the best.

Edited my post above and here. since there are errors in what I meant to express.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 07:14 PM

1.today, the region have been divided by definition of a country, long ago it was kingdoms.. but you have to understand.. put borders aside, malaysia and indonesia are close neighbours... at it's core, the malay are them, and vice - versa. their connections runs deep. the malays,indonesian,etc.. are the people of Nusantara. now the malay language is the language of malaysia, yes it its a very close derivative to the indonesian language(if it's even a derivative.. I dare not say for sure.. since the two countries are so close.. and I am for the most part ignorant), but the malays and indonesians are indeed close. culturally, ethnically and language.

2.it is as you say..but remember, it is an undeniable fact that the malay language is a part of the land's culture.

P.S, you are a malaysian whether you could speak malay or not.. of course! No one should say otherwise..

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 07:38 PM

the connections runs deep as you've pointed out. oh, and it was nice chatting with you.

with people having a hard time learning 1 national language.. you want the government to enforce other languages too? truthfully I support the idea.I agree prags85 comment and yours.. it's just that at it's core the people as a whole can't be bothered to learn too much languages you know? who's going to forfeit the education budget? plus, would the people spend time to learn french etc..? it'd be good if they would, but before global citizens, we are malaysian citizens. unless you believe in Novus Ordo Seclorum


This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 08:06 PM