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post Nov 23 2015, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:48 PM)
the connections runs deep as you've pointed out. oh, and it was nice chatting with you.
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nah, it was a nice read too google-ing about the history of Malay language.
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 23 2015, 07:49 PM)
nah, it was a nice read too google-ing about the history of Malay language.
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(prags85 @ Nov 23 2015, 01:32 PM)
I think this article was well written and it does raise a valid point...imagine the Syrian refugees moving to Europe now and living there , after 100 years their descendants ask the german government yo stop emphasizing the German language and to focus on English ..... Do u think that will fly ??? I admit my BM is not as good as my English or my French but I can speak it and I do try to communicate the best way I can, As a Malaysian we should b able to speak the language of the nation we are born and raised in , after all 100/200 years ago some of our ancestors would have had to live of the mercy of the inhabitants of this land.....it's not too much effort to honor those who took our forefathers in and whose descendants with whom we share this country with .....
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Au contraire, I thought the article was rather stupid, but emblematic of the mindset that is causing the problems in this country. Language is not a zero sum game: you do not become more or less patriotic just because you speak one language or another. If you want to communicate the best you can, you learn as many languages as you are able to, and an enlightened government can encourage such multilingualism. In this day and age we need to be global citizens and being able to speak many languages opens that door for us.
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(smarty pants @ Nov 22 2015, 02:44 PM)
Joe mamak's daily routine
8am : bangun, buat kopi, go news site copy and paste news
10am : berak, go news site, copy and paste news. but this time bold some of the words
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8pm: eat dinner alone, sambil baca newspaper
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Thanks to him, i am aware of the news in Malaysia!
Keep it up Joe mamak!
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post Nov 23 2015, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 23 2015, 07:51 PM)
Au contraire, I thought the article was rather stupid, but emblematic of the mindset that is causing the problems in this country. Language is not a zero sum game: you do not become more or less patriotic just because you speak one language or another. If you want to communicate the best you can, you learn as many languages as you are able to, and an enlightened government can encourage such multilingualism. In this day and age we need to be global citizens and being able to speak many languages opens that door for us.
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with people having a hard time learning 1 national language.. you want the government to enforce other languages too? hmm.gif truthfully I support the idea.I agree prags85 comment and yours.. it's just that at it's core the people as a whole can't be bothered to learn too much languages you know? who's going to forfeit the education budget? plus, would the people spend time to learn french etc..? it'd be good if they would, but before global citizens, we are malaysian citizens. unless you believe in Novus Ordo Seclorum laugh.gif


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post Nov 23 2015, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(lil_flank @ Nov 23 2015, 07:53 PM)
Thanks to him, i am aware of the news in Malaysia!
Keep it up Joe mamak!
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haha.. news.. eh?
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post Nov 23 2015, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 07:44 PM)
yup.......not as united as you think
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Worse without putonghua, if people from one region cannot communicate to the other. Then they will identify themselves not as PRC, but according to regions.
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post Nov 23 2015, 09:04 PM


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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 23 2015, 08:54 PM)
Worse without putonghua, if people from one region cannot communicate to the other. Then they will identify themselves not as PRC, but according to regions.
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so?

having a common language is just that, having a common language.

rwandan still kill each other despite having a common language.

what goes on in a person's mind and the attitude of the person is entirely different thing.



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post Nov 23 2015, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 09:04 PM)
so?

having a common language is just that, having a common language.

rwandan still kill each other despite having a common language.

what goes on in a person's mind and the attitude of the person is entirely different thing.


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yes, but people will only start loving each other once they know each other... but how they gonna know each other if they dont know what each other is trying to say?


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post Nov 23 2015, 09:10 PM


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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 23 2015, 09:08 PM)
yes, but people will only start loving each other once they know each other... but how they gonna know each other if they dont know what each other is trying to say?
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language is just a tool to communicate........what the person want to communicate about is an entirely different matter.

you can say that it is a catalyst for unity, also a catalyst for disunity.
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post Nov 23 2015, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 09:10 PM)
language is just a tool to communicate........what the person want to communicate about is an entirely different matter.

you can say that it is a catalyst for unity, also a catalyst for disunity.
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but it is in fact a catalyst...

like other tools, it still depends on the user...

still, it is one of the useful tools to unite with each other...
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post Nov 23 2015, 09:17 PM


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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Nov 23 2015, 09:14 PM)
but it is in fact a catalyst...

like other tools, it still depends on the user...

still, it is one of the useful tools to unite with each other...
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tool in itself is neutral.

there's no need to label them with attributes it doesn't carry
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post Nov 23 2015, 09:18 PM

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each negeri should start teaching the local dialect instead of bahasa baku that forced fed down to everyone throat and the syllabus always changing.


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post Nov 23 2015, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:03 PM)
just like a parent have no rights over their children, or a company no rights over what their employees need or need not have? in Malaysia, the Government asks it's people to speak the national language. I think it's a fair enough requirement.
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Let me tell you something.

You should really take a look at the root why some people are turned off at this.

Don't bother replying back to me. It's something for you to ponder.

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post Nov 23 2015, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 09:17 PM)
tool in itself is neutral.

there's no need to label them with attributes it doesn't carry
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Not really sure if you know what you are talking about.

Currently we are saying that "national language" is useful, and should be used.
You are saying that " national language" can be good or bad, therefore should not be adopted.

In other words...
YellowKingValley: Fire useful. Lets use fire as a tool.
slimey: Fire can be good or bad. Avoid fire. No to fire.
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post Nov 23 2015, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 08:05 PM)
with people  having a hard time learning 1 national language.. you want the government to enforce other languages too? hmm.gif  truthfully I support the idea.I agree prags85 comment and yours.. it's just that at it's core the people as a whole can't be bothered to learn too much languages you know? who's going to forfeit the education budget? plus, would the people spend time to learn french etc..? it'd be good if they would, but before global citizens, we are malaysian citizens. unless you believe in Novus Ordo Seclorum  laugh.gif
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let's not confuse ourselves between what ought to be done and how its done.
Multilingualism is the right way to go. Why we can't do it on the other hand is simply a long term consequence of that well intentioned but ill conceived attempt at social engineering we call the NEP. Our country spends so much per capita on education and yet sees so little return. Have you ever stopped to ask why? My parents were teachers. My late grandfather was a state officer. I've seen it first hand: it's all about incompetence and corruption exacerbated by a stupid policy that places ethnicity over merit.
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post Nov 23 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(fa_abdul @ Nov 23 2015, 03:42 PM)
Precisely!  rclxms.gif

Btw, if everyone champions the Malaysian agenda, why the big hoo-haa over the usage of our national language? If we take pride of our country, shouldn't we also take pride of our national identity which comprises our national language?  hmm.gif

For those who take offense of my name calling, please remember that I only called those who do not take pride in our national language as ignorant buffoons. But then again, I guess "Siapa makan cili, dia lah yang terasa pedasnya"  cool2.gif

Cheers!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Oh, nice. The writer herself is in here. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2015, 09:41 PM)
Let me tell you something.

You should really take a look at the root why some people are turned off at this.

Don't bother replying back to me. It's something for you to ponder.
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forgive me if I misunderstood. but are you implying that the government is a different example from parents and Companies? thus the analogy itself is incompatible?

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 10:16 PM
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post Nov 23 2015, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 23 2015, 10:07 PM)
let's not confuse ourselves between what ought to be done and how its done.
Multilingualism is the right way to go. Why we can't do it on the other hand is simply a long term consequence of that well intentioned but ill conceived attempt at social engineering we call the NEP. Our country spends so much per capita on education and yet sees so little return. Have you ever stopped to ask why? My parents were teachers. My late grandfather was a state officer. I've seen it first hand: it's all about incompetence and corruption exacerbated by a stupid policy that places ethnicity over merit.
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thanks for your reply. I will think more about the issue of broadening the usage of other languages(+BM) in our country.
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post Nov 23 2015, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 10:15 PM)
thanks for your reply. I will think more about the issue of broadening the usage of other languages(+BM) in our country.
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You claimed its so hard to learn even 1 language. The average Chinese Malaysian or Indian Malaysian speaks 2 if not 3 or 4, even more if you count the dialects. So basically it's not hard. Just a matter how we go about executing formal language education. I'm just pointing out the real reason why it seems harder than it really is: bad execution as a result of organic incompetence.

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