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 Working in Singapore V18, All About Living in The Little Red Dot

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post Apr 13 2016, 03:03 PM

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yea...very true...
it all depends on how much ppl are willing to pay u...

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post Apr 13 2016, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(Winter-3 @ Apr 12 2016, 06:37 PM)
I guess I should have said it's hard to find a job in Singapore. Unless I have the skills set they need that the locals can't offer, I will never find any job there.
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in blue, spot-on, there is one skill that locals can't offer >>>non-kiasu/kiasi, like me when I first step my foot here, I came with a mind set that I have got NOTHING TO LOSE ANYWAY

this is a skill that you can put to good use.

if one starts to compare too much with his/her current comfort zone, then bangwall.gif bangwall.gif no venture u ll never know for the good or/ bad:thumbsup:

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post Apr 13 2016, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Apr 13 2016, 02:44 PM)
I also have this type of confusion, im from IT industry, by right salary should be s$3k+ and get EP according to standard, but some of my fren gt 2.2k and not EP. not sure why n how those company see the standard.  confused.gif
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I wonder, how do define "by right''? your own expectation???? brows.gif

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post Apr 13 2016, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Apr 13 2016, 02:56 PM)
by right? by who's right? hmm.gif
if you're comparing against the SG local grad's starting pay, then sorry to disappoint you.. those are only applicable for local grads, not foreign grads.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 03:22 PM)
I wonder, how do define "by right''? your own expectation???? brows.gif
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I should have stated clearly. by what is stated in the MOM site.
IT and engineers are consider professionals right? correct me if im wrong .

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post Apr 13 2016, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(rookie93 @ Apr 13 2016, 02:36 PM)
by dont giving up for this job means...? i just wait for their reply one day? or i still continue to follow up on them? i kinda think following up is not gonna work anymore.. its like, if they want me, then they'll call me, if not, nothing else I can do.  I've been trying on others as well, but it seems tough luck..... I dont know why i'm missing out....unknown university grad? too low pointer? not outstanding enough academically? Last year i read an article saying Singapore have a lack of engineers they're trying to bring in more since their own youths prefer doing medic, law and business. So aaargh.. its so confusing and tiring to dig up all the factors.....
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Put this job aside and go on look for other jobs. I usually follow up 2-3 times only.

In my current employer, they only picking SG citizen or PR due to insufficient quota and the ratio of locals:foreigners is too bias.
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post Apr 13 2016, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(XiuKeong @ Apr 13 2016, 03:26 PM)
Put this job aside and go on look for other jobs. I usually follow up 2-3 times only.

In my current employer, they only picking SG citizen or PR due to insufficient quota and the ratio of locals:foreigners is too bias.
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you're engineering also?
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post Apr 13 2016, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(rookie93 @ Apr 13 2016, 03:33 PM)
you're engineering also?
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Nope, I'm in IT industry
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post Apr 13 2016, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Apr 13 2016, 03:25 PM)
I should have stated clearly. by what is stated in the MOM site.
IT and engineers are consider professionals right? correct me if im wrong .

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if you ask me, for engineer, registered PE here is professional. graduate engineer not professional.. no?? graduate engineer may not even falls in the executive bracket

the bracket shows min 3300 from executive to professional. if I remember correctly its from Q1, Q2, P1 & P2

graduate engineer in MOM text depend on institute listing. most college university in msia is not in MOM list. see the listing in MOM website, u will be surprised. for example, only UM is acceptable for PE here

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post Apr 13 2016, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 03:43 PM)
if you ask me, for engineer, registered PE here is professional. graduate engineer not professional.. no?? graduate engineer may not even falls in the executive bracket

the bracket shows min 3300 from executive to professional. if I remember correctly its from Q1, Q2, P1 & P2,
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then what is a graduate engineer known as? semi-skilled...? confused.gif wah. same rank as technician only... saad. but yaa, kinda true tho hmm.gif
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post Apr 13 2016, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 03:20 PM)
in blue, spot-on, there is one skill that locals can't offer >>>non-kiasu/kiasi, like me when I first step my foot here, I came with a mind set that I have got NOTHING TO LOSE ANYWAY

this is a skill that you can put to good use.

if one starts to compare too much with his/her current comfort zone, then  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif no venture u ll never know for the good or/ bad:thumbsup:
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I have nothing to lose too. I even lower my salary expectation to the point where the company will have nothing to lose too if they were to hire me. Too bad, like what XiuKeong has stated, most companies are looking for Singaporeans/PR only. I guess that's more prevalent for HR positions.
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QUOTE(rookie93 @ Apr 13 2016, 03:52 PM)
then what is a graduate engineer known as? semi-skilled...?  confused.gif  wah. same rank as technician only... saad. but yaa, kinda true tho  hmm.gif
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skilled technician (those gone thru PET accredited hours) sure rank higher than msia graduate engineer

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QUOTE(Winter-3 @ Apr 13 2016, 03:57 PM)
I have nothing to lose too. I even lower my salary expectation to the point where the company will have nothing to lose too if they were to hire me. Too bad, like what XiuKeong has stated, most companies are looking for Singaporeans/PR only. I guess that's more prevalent for HR positions.
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in blue, that the new Singapore core assessment policy by MOM

need to sabra la

its MOM requirement now, vacancy need to lock in job-bank for a set period, open to only sin/pr only. employer need to prove singaporen core assessment before can hire others

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 04:02 PM)
need to sabra la

in blue, its MOM requirement now, vacancy need to lock in job-bank for a set period, open to only sin/pr only. employer need to prove singaporen core assessment before can hire others
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so whatever advertised in jobstreet or other portals means they have gone through job-bank and there were no local candidates applying then only they can open to foreign applicants?
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post Apr 13 2016, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 04:02 PM)
need to sabra la

in blue, its MOM requirement now, vacancy need to lock in job-bank for a set period, open to only sin/pr only. employer need to prove singaporen core assessment before can hire others
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Haha, I know. It's the same procedure in MY. Need to advertise in JobsMalaysia for locals first, report on locals:foreigners ratio, then apply to hire foreigners and wait for approval. If able to hire locals, most employers will choose not to go through this hassle.

QUOTE(rookie93 @ Apr 13 2016, 04:04 PM)
so whatever advertised in jobstreet or other portals means they have gone through job-bank and there were no local candidates applying then only they can open to foreign applicants?
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Yes, you try and search the job titles you have applied at MOM jobs bank. Most probably they will advertise all those jobs there too. If no Singaporean/PR applied, maybe the company will apply for quota to hire foreigners.

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Apr 13 2016, 03:25 PM)
I should have stated clearly. by what is stated in the MOM site.
IT and engineers are consider professionals right? correct me if im wrong .

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You are not understanding that site correctly

That is a guideline on the eligibility of the passes
ie. if you are 3.3k and PMET, you qualify for an EP (but not guaranteed it)

It does not state that because you are PMET, you deserve 3.3k and an EP

If your boss tells you to get a promotion, you need to be XXX certified
But that does not mean if you are XXX certified you instantly deserve a promotion

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post Apr 13 2016, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(rookie93 @ Apr 13 2016, 04:04 PM)
so whatever advertised in jobstreet or other portals means they have gone through job-bank and there were no local candidates applying then only they can open to foreign applicants?
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I don't know how jobstreet / other portal works. but u are right on the second part >>no local candidates hired (after MOM job-bank) then only they can hire for EP/SP/WP

one senerio here, for example A co. after the job-bank period and after several local/pr interviews and non take-up, the hr will start to open up write-in(s) to call up.

it seems somehow, Malaysian knew this '"A"" company has vacancy lock in job bank, just start to write/drop in their resume.
can you see that one step ahead here ???? probably even before jobjalan advertise or maybe what u apply thru jobjalan than may not even reach A co hr

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post Apr 13 2016, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 04:20 PM)
I don't know how jobstreet / other portal works. but u are right on the second part >>no local candidates hired (after MOM job-bank) then only they can hire for EP/SP/WP

I can give you one advise here, for example my co. after the job-bank period and after several local/pr interviews and non take-up, the hr will start to open up write-in(s) to call up.

it seems somehow, Malaysian knew this '"A"" company has vacancy lock in job bank, just start to write/drap in their resume. we never need to resort to jobstreet/portals/recruitment agencies.

can you see that one step ahead here ????
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but some companies just advertise in job portals only without further details on any other specific emails to write in-to. Those i have no other choice other than to just apply through the portal... so do i stalk job-bank positions as well? what i have been doing all this while is just writing in to companies of relevant work scope through their general/enquiry/info email, some do not provide recruitment/hr emails to send to. I dont know the likeliness they will even check my email... and what do you mean by "vacancy lock" in job bank?
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 03:43 PM)
if you ask me, for engineer, registered PE here is professional. graduate engineer not professional.. no?? graduate engineer may not even falls in the executive bracket

the bracket shows min 3300 from executive to professional. if I remember correctly its from Q1, Q2, P1 & P2

graduate engineer in MOM text depend on institute listing. most college university in msia is not in MOM list. see the listing in MOM website, u will be surprised. for example, only UM is acceptable for PE here

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wrong, as long as your course is accredited by BEM, you can sit for exam and register for PE

sos : many of my friends / colleague can enroll the exam and passed *not from UM


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QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Apr 13 2016, 04:27 PM)
wrong, as long as your course is accredited by BEM, you can sit for exam and register for PE

sos : many of my friends / colleague can enroll the exam and passed *not from UM
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like u said, need exam & passed.
if for UM & PEng (Msia) BEM registered, what exam??? NewIstana U & PEng (Msia) BEM registered, pls enrol for exam for PE (Sin)

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 13 2016, 04:34 PM)
like u said, need exam & passed.
if for UM & PEng (Msia) BEM registered, what exam??? NewIstana U & PEng (Msia) BEM registered, pls enrol for exam for PE (Sin)
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Lol, dun knw wat u mean.... the exam i refering to, everyone need to take and passed one ok, is some sort of technical paper...... Dun care u r graduate from australia, uk, usa, um , or uum..... As for malaysian, long as u passed and recognized by BEM, u can proceed further to 2nd paper, which is regarding cop and ss....... Pass again , u canprepare ur experience log book, and go sit for board interview....... rclxm9.gif PE

Dun mislead ppl tat oni UM graduate can register as PE in sg ....ok .......


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