I got the iv on 8th. Just idk what to do yet. Never go to a formal iv. Didnt get a chance back then. Any advices?

confident. try to said that you willing to learn, somehow people searching for your courage on the job itself. its ok if you dont have the required skill. People will see potential in you if you hardworking and fast learner..

hello guys,

i am 38, current job as a Service Manager(Car workshop, salary RM7k). i have been studying android apps developments for the past few years and have my own apps publishing in google play store. recently took and graduated from an online course Android Developer Nanodegree from Udacity(the Course is Co-created by Google).

now thinking of a career change in my crucial age into Android Apps Developer. i can work in Malaysia and willing to relocate to SG, AU(my ideal location:)), NZ.

anyone have any similar experience like me?

No cert is not an issue as long as you know your passion and strive hard to work on your passion. I also without cert since I only graduated from SPM and didn't manage to graduate from college. But try to sharpen your skills and what you know into generating income from it. You'd be surprise how far you can go.

Offer service, offer your skills to people who need your expertise.

The thing is, Cert is still important as the deciding factors comes from Employers (they are the decision makers). Unless, the skills are applied in Entrepreneurship. I have seen many cases for those without certs or just diploma, they actually perform better than Degree graduate. However, their pay is limited by the scale / system hence no way for them to grow further till they advanced the studies. Cruel but real in many MNCs.

Yes that is one sad truth that is happening in Malaysia. We are still developing country hence many things we still based on paper instead of looking at skills and ability to solve problem. But many entrepreneur are going to the bold move, going the daring line and start to use people with caliber instead of certs.

I am about to get my double degree soon. Let's hope everything goes well. Been 3 years I suffer without a degree to find a job. But my hardwork pays off. Got into a big retail company in Malaysia. Bersyukurlah for what I got and what I've been through.

You are right as how Malaysia should attract and keep talents beyond paper valuation. Business acumen and entrepreneurship spirit are something undergraduates won't exposed to, by just attending classes. Good luck bro for future endeavors and possibility thinking will definitely bring you to greater heights!

I really got inspired with this. Thanks ppl. U all just give me ideas to move forward. Long ago just stuck with lame mindset of i cant go any bcs im a loser without any paper. Haha. Stupid me duh.

You're right. Certs are important, but they are not essential to landing a good job and good salary. Take me for example. I dropped out of university cause I felt like the stuff I was studying wasn't relevant to what I wanted to do. So I joined advertising. I'm 27 now, earning a salary of 8k. There have also been talks of a lot of start-ups dropping the cert requirement because of how dated the hiring practice is. Ultimately, it's not the end of the world if you're not a degree holder.

I will stay at your current company with 8.5/month..

Most importantly have work life balance and times to explore own idea..

depends if he prefer to be rich, get more challenging job

Try to find a job that pays better. You can try customer service line since you have good English, it will help. Don't let the lack of having a degree and such keep you from getting a brighter future. Just having an SPM cert does not mean "the end". Don't look back at what caused that but look forward on improving. Best of luck!

true.. if spm also can excel in life.. just make sure u are hardworking and proven to be useful to the company u are working for... be honest in work and make good friend with workmates sure will excel and get promoted

^ What about picking up a construction trade? I don't know how how feasible is it for you, but do look into things like welding or even being a crane operator.

Hi all, I need some help here.

I am technically not a fresh graduate (graduated in June 2015), but for 2 years I worked in a non-profit organization as executive level, one year in Malaysia and one year overseas. Both years salary were way below average (below RM2000) because I mainly work for my self development and contribution.

Now I am finishing and going for a "real" corporate job, and since I am not really a fresh grad, how should I tell my expected salary?

My concerns below:
1. Even though I have 2 years working experience, it's in a youth-run non-profit so it's not giving me the same experience as working in companies, so I can't say I am better or same level as others who worked for 2 years.
2. Even so, I wish to apply some jobs that are not targeted for fresh grad with 0 experience, because I want to challenge myself more and I think I can cope with it quickly (then, it comes to concern #3 below).
3. Since my past 2 jobs gave me low salary but I am applying for non-fresh-grad jobs, how should I tell my expected salary? Some jobs I am applying are offering RM4k and above, should I tell my expected salary as fresh grad (2.7~3k?) or just slightly below the estimated offer (3.5k)?

Thanks in advance for your help!

You can try applying jobs that are doing what you did in previous work. Something like sustainability or corporate social responsibility. Then you can ask for the salary you deserves without thinking if your experience could put to use.

Thanks for your reply. Hmm even though I was in non-profit, my job was involving a lot of operations, market expansion, and eventually HR and people development. So I would like to foray into these fields instead of sustainability or CSR (because I didn't really work on those job descriptions).

Just be confident in interview and ask for the value that you think you match . You may put 2 year experience in your resume. I think its not about fresh gradute or not when come to working field

First off all you need to believe in yourself. Nothing is achieved without determination & hard work. My cousin bro not good in his studies failed in SPM, work for an aircon company learn from there, now have own business selling & service aircon.

My friend worked in 99 speedmart. He said he got between rm1500- RM 2000. Depending on overtime. Have u tried your luck there? I believe there are other jobs that are paying better than your current job. Good luck bro. Do your best in the upcoming interviews. Be confident.