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Ramjade
post Apr 1 2017, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 1 2017, 01:31 PM)
Lai lai tell me what is the cheapest method to go to SG? We together-gether eat gardenia sambal ikan-bilis bun ok?

Wah! SG so much free stuff keh keh keh!
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Lai lai. Kasi you homework. Want or not? To open Phillip SG, they want a SG bank account. No SG bank account, no talk. FSM excuse you. Your choice.
1. Either way, recommend to open a SG bank account. How? Read openning a bank account in singapore
2. You can do it from Malaysia also can. whistling.gif
3. After account opening (approximately 1 month later) fill up the FSM SG online form.
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/account-opening/main
4. If you choose Phillip SG, follow instructions https://www.eunittrust.com.sg/ReadPage.aspx?id=16
Get all your documents verified by commissioner of oath and post it down to SG.

See easy right? No need to go down Singapore. All done in Malaysia whistling.gif


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post Apr 1 2017, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2017, 12:44 PM)
Good day to you good sister,

I will attempt to answer you question objectively. I shall use two examples. And for argument's sake I shall take TA GTF and RHB AIF. From friend Ramjade's words, TA GTF is the daughter of Henderson Global Tech fund denominated in SGD; whereas RHB AIF is the daughter fund of Schroder Asia Income fund. Both the mother funds are denominated in SGD.

A) Lets take case for RHB AIF.

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Lets say you participated SGD 1,000.00 into SAIF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,157.63, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,157.63 x 3.16704 = MYR 3,666.24

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 (eqv to SGD 1,000) into RHB AIF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 3,710.95

RHB AIF wins mother fund.

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B) Lets take the case for TA GTF

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Lets say you participated SGD 1,000.00 into HGTF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,453.65, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,453.65 x 3.16704 = MYR 4,603.77

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 (eqv to SGD 1,000.00) into TA GTF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 4,349.16

TA GTF loses to mother fund.

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What is the takeaway message here?

Forex is too unpredictable. Some daughter fund wins mother fund; other loses to mother fund.

The final say is that there is no room for generalization.

My personal take is, investing is already a risky business, hence do not take in more unnecessary risky. For example, if you are not a resident of S'pore, it makes no sense to buy an asset that is denominated in SGD because you are introducing another element of risk aka unpredictability into the equation.

Xuzen

p/s Data are obtained form Xe.com website for forex data, FSM MY for both RHB AIF & TA GTF, FSM SG for SAIF and HGTF.
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I noticed the following :-

1) RHB AIF 3 years annulized return is 12.66% p.a.
Schroder AIF 3 years annulized return is 5.00% p.a.

RHB's annualized return is two times more than Schroder's, then only will the RM-based fund wins.

2) TA GTF 3 years annualized return is 18.78% p.a.
Henderson GTF 3 years annualized return is 13.28% p.a.

TA's annualized return is 5.5% more than Henderson's, still overall, TA (the RM-based fund) loses out to Henderson.

One conclusion that can be extracted from here is with the help of currency appreciation, the mother fund does not simply need to perform better compared to the child fund in order to beat the feeder fund,.. ie currency strength helps !
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post Apr 2 2017, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 1 2017, 04:43 PM)
One conclusion that can be extracted from here is with the help of currency appreciation, the mother fund does not simply need to perform better compared to the child fund in order to beat the feeder fund,.. ie currency strength helps !
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Friend Hansel,

I read your bolded statement many times, but I still could not understand the meaning you are trying to conbvey. Can you please word it in kindergarden level English or not? Thanks.

Xuzen

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Ramjade
post Apr 2 2017, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 2 2017, 09:53 AM)
Friend Hansel,

I read your bolded statement many times, but I still could not understand the meaning you are trying to conbvey. Can you please word it in kindergarden level English or not? Thanks.

Xuzen
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I think he means the daughter fund have to outperform the mother fund by big margin then it will win in the long term.
However if the daughter outperform the mother fund by a small margin, the mother fund can still win provided the exchange rate is strong.

Also. I think indirectly it means we just need to find something which does not perform as good as malaysian counterpart and still can win which makes out life a lot easier as we don't need to select the highest return. We can be laid back and let the depreciation of ringgit do the work.
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In malaysia we need something like 10%
In singapore 7% returns should be sufficient to beat the malaysian fund with 10% returns. Of course if we can find something with 10% return in Singapore, its a different story.

Let's wait and see Hansel agree with my statement or not.

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post Apr 2 2017, 09:07 PM

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if u willing to go all the hassle to invest in SG, why not go to US brokerage ETF?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 2 2017, 09:07 PM)
if u willing to go all the hassle to invest in SG, why not go to US brokerage ETF?
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US with holding 30% tax.
Also most US ETF which track asia pacific cannot beat asia pacific funds.
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post Apr 3 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 2 2017, 09:53 AM)
Friend Hansel,

I read your bolded statement many times, but I still could not understand the meaning you are trying to conbvey. Can you please word it in kindergarden level English or not? Thanks.

Xuzen
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 2 2017, 10:13 AM)
I think he means the daughter fund have to outperform the mother fund by big margin then it will win in the long term.
However if the daughter outperform the mother fund by a small margin, the mother fund can still win provided the exchange rate is strong.

Also. I think indirectly it means we just need to find something which does not perform as good as malaysian counterpart and still can win which makes out life a lot easier as we don't need to select the highest return. We can be laid back and let the depreciation of ringgit do the work.
Eg.
In malaysia we need something like 10%
In singapore 7% returns should be sufficient to beat the malaysian fund with 10% returns. Of course if we can find something with 10% return in Singapore, its a different story.

Let's wait and see Hansel agree with my statement or not.
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Bros Xuzen and Ram,... yes, bro Ram is right,.. that was what I meant to say,.. hmm,.. my English is deteriorating ?? Appreciated yr helpfulness again, bro,...

Yeah,.. bro Ram,... come to think of it,.. yeah, to yr second para in reply to Xuzen,... if we wished to earn more RM, that's the way,.. but then, with more RM, can we buy more things and services in Msia ? Maybe...errm,.. can,..
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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 2 2017, 09:07 PM)
if u willing to go all the hassle to invest in SG, why not go to US brokerage ETF?
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Opening accounts in and investing in SG is not because of or for the returns only,.. security of assets would also be another factor, as well as preservation of purchasing power.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 3 2017, 01:48 PM)
Opening accounts in and investing in SG is not because of or for the returns only,.. security of assets would also be another factor, as well as preservation of purchasing power.
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Agreed with these statements after reading that majority of rich indons (80%+) keep their money in SG blink.gif shocking.gif
Big problem for Indon govt to get the money back. Also, where do you see priority banking in indon language? This shows how much indon makes up the pie of the SG banks.
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post Apr 3 2017, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 3 2017, 01:58 PM)
Agreed with these statements after reading that majority of rich indons (80%+) keep their money in SG blink.gif  shocking.gif
Big problem for Indon govt to get the money back. Also, where do you see priority banking in indon language? This shows how much indon makes up the pie of the SG banks.
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The Indon gov't under President WIdodo is now 'forcing' her people to bring their money back home to Indo with favourable tax incentives that will last for a certain time, after which, those who are 'stubborn' will be 'penalized' in some way,... I haven't read all the details,...

The Indon gov't is putting in tax incentives encouraging REITs to list in the JSE, and persuading REITs to shift back to the JSE.

Let's see how will our SG gov't fends off these challenges,...

Added : you guys can read the details of what I said in my first para above (bolded now),... the reports are in the news,...I'm just wondering here : will Kangkung Land gov't do the same to us in future, since they can see their Indon brothers doing this to their people ?

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 3 2017, 01:48 PM)
Opening accounts in and investing in SG is not because of or for the returns only,.. security of assets would also be another factor, as well as preservation of purchasing power.
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USD is more better than SGD
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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 3 2017, 11:01 PM)
USD is more better than SGD
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Sorry,... can't really agree on this.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 3 2017, 11:01 PM)
USD is more better than SGD
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Really? SGD can appreciate against the USD you know. Just because USD is on the rising trend against all currency, it does not make it superior over SGD.

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post Apr 18 2017, 09:54 AM

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i am looking to trade unit trust in singapore. i am debating between FSM and POEMS, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but which would you recommend?
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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Apr 18 2017, 09:54 AM)
i am looking to trade unit trust in singapore. i am debating between FSM and POEMS, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but which would you recommend?
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You want cheap - go POEMS

You want user friendly platform with loads of information - go FSM, the charges is higher though

You want zero effort, go for FSM MAPS
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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Apr 18 2017, 09:54 AM)
i am looking to trade unit trust in singapore. i am debating between FSM and POEMS, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but which would you recommend?
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 18 2017, 10:02 AM)
You want cheap - go POEMS

You want user friendly platform with loads of information - go FSM, the charges is higher though

You want zero effort, go for FSM MAPS
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As answered by dasecret. Or you go the ramjade's way. Use info from FSM SG and buy from POEMS. Free leeching devil.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 18 2017, 10:02 AM)
You want cheap - go POEMS

You want user friendly platform with loads of information - go FSM, the charges is higher though

You want zero effort, go for FSM MAPS
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yes i agree too. i had a look at the poems website and it is not really user friendly. poems is managed by phillip capital i assume?
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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Apr 18 2017, 10:08 AM)
yes i agree too. i had a look at the poems website and it is not really user friendly. poems is managed by phillip capital i assume?
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Yes.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 10:14 AM)
Yes.
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thanks for the advice guys. i think i am going for poems, the no sales charge / platform fees / switching fees is just very beneficial for small investors like myself.

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