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post Jul 26 2015, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 25 2015, 09:18 PM)
erm.... not to say I'm gonna time the market.... haha. just a question. cause i read research that put lump sum investment vs dca. 2/3 of the times, lump sum investment wins dca over 10 years.
this condition is.
lump sum investment = at year 0, you got 1 million. you directly put in all.
dca = at year 0, you got 1 million. you dca your 1 million over every month until the end.

Now I'm thinking how about.

at year 0, you got no budget or shit. If you decide to lump sum. means for the first few months perhaps, or few years you are accumulating cash.(static cash). then only you lump sum later.

vs

at year 0, every month you put in little by little.
It seems for this more realistic scenario, dca wins. I think.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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You lump sum only if you have cash on hand. If not, just perform DCA whenever you have the cash. It is not worth it to save the cash just to perform lump sum later as you'll miss on the return while waiting.
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post Jul 26 2015, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 25 2015, 09:18 PM)
erm.... not to say I'm gonna time the market.... haha. just a question. cause i read research that put lump sum investment vs dca. 2/3 of the times, lump sum investment wins dca over 10 years.
this condition is.
lump sum investment = at year 0, you got 1 million. you directly put in all.
dca = at year 0, you got 1 million. you dca your 1 million over every month until the end. 20 years?

Then, it is about 4200/month or 50k per year.

Now I'm thinking how about.

at year 0, you got no budget or shit. If you decide to lump sum. means for the first few months perhaps, or few years you are accumulating cash.(static cash). then only you lump sum later.

So, every 4 months or every quarter, we invest about 15-16k.
Or every year, we invest 50k.


vs

at year 0, every month you put in little by little.

So, every month we invest 4.2k

It seems for this more realistic scenario, dca wins. I think.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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of course DCA wins lar... since both also DCA. laugh.gif

PS. Lump sum method actually means one shot. So you either tembak the 1 million at year 0 or 20.

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post Jul 26 2015, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Jul 25 2015, 10:29 PM)
Let's say you invest lump sum when the price is peak and compare another guy invest partly same time but DCA when price going south

Who u think will have better return?
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jul 26 2015, 07:41 AM)
If you happen to invest lump sum during bear market, you are going to get good return. But how do you know when the next bear market will come?

I tell you one story:
In 2008, before GE 12, when the Parliament was dissolved, market was down.
People were expecting the same thing to happen before GE13. Some exited the market as early as 2012. But the Parliament was only dissolved in April 2013, and yet there was no major correction.
Major correction only happened last year.

If you were one who exited the market in 2012, what would you miss?
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 26 2015, 05:33 PM)
of course DCA wins lar... since both also DCA.  laugh.gif

PS. Lump sum method actually means one shot. So you either tembak the 1 million at year 0 or 20.
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Many thanks sifu sifu. haha.
Now i see the point. smile.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 26 2015, 04:03 PM)
of course DCA wins lar... since both also DCA.  laugh.gif

PS. Lump sum method actually means one shot. So you either tembak the 1 million at year 0 or 20.
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Y not weekly dca
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Jul 26 2015, 05:39 PM)
Y not weekly dca
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You can even do it daily if you want... as long as it meets the minimal requirement. wink.gif

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post Jul 26 2015, 08:27 PM

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everyone of you holding small cap funds?
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post Jul 26 2015, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 26 2015, 08:27 PM)
everyone of you holding small cap funds?
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Since mid 2013 brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jul 26 2015, 03:22 PM)
Gold status not enough, need platinum for 1.25% SC.
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Personally, i think the Platinum thinggy is useless.
I mean, if i have 750K to invest at "one place", U'd think i'd be better informed and have ways to do ETFs right?
ETFs with lower upfront cost and yearly costs.

IF FSM wants to encourage people to really go for Platinum,
do lar 0.5% or even 1% entry cost / service charge (average now 2%)
AND 0.88% yearly costs (average now being 1.75%+/-)
That's a simple half of the current average costs.

Until then, i'm still plonking mostly into ETFs these days,
just shuffling around my holdings in FSM & perhaps EPF investments since can't do direct stocks liao since May/June.

Just a thought notworthy.gif
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post Jul 26 2015, 10:48 PM

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you guys do ETF?
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post Jul 26 2015, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 26 2015, 09:14 PM)
Since mid 2013 brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Damn,,,... drool.gif drool.gif

I wanna enter also leh.... rclxub.gif

so many funds i mau enter.
no moolah to enter lol.


Hmm.... xuzen.... question.

when i open the charts and put 5 years or 10 years. the growth gradient is positive all the way.

One can take it as

1) Fund management is good. Consistent growth over the years. Extrapolating would mean continued growth. Probably.

2) it's so farking high!, Correction might happen. Global bear time? Every 7 or 10 years.

Any comments ar?
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 26 2015, 10:54 PM)
Damn,,,...  drool.gif  drool.gif

I wanna enter also leh.... rclxub.gif

so many funds i mau enter.
no moolah to enter lol.
Hmm.... xuzen.... question.

when i open the charts and put 5 years or 10 years. the growth gradient is positive all the way.

One can take it as

1) Fund management is good. Consistent growth over the years. Extrapolating would mean continued growth. Probably.

2) it's so farking high!, Correction might happen. Global bear time? Every 7 or 10 years.

Any comments ar?
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Market or index =/= Fund

If the index goes up and up and up and up, yeah correction may be due.

But if index yo-yo but fund goes up and up and up, the fund manager is doing a good job buying undervalued stocks and dumping overvalued stocks (repeat this over and over and over and over the years)

This is the simplistic view of things. wink.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 27 2015, 10:15 AM
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post Jul 27 2015, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 27 2015, 10:14 AM)
Market or index =/= Fund

If the index goes up and up and up and up, yeah correction may be due.

But if index yo-yo but fund goes up and up and up, the fund manager is doing a good job buying undervalued stocks and dumping overvalued stocks (repeat this over and over and over and over the years)

This is the simplistic view of things. wink.gif
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hmm.gif didn't think of that in that perspective. icic... hmm.gif

is there any chance a fund still do good, while global bear is ongoing?
Fund manager have to be very picky about what they pick i think . hmm.gif
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 27 2015, 10:31 AM)
hmm.gif didn't think of that in that perspective. icic... hmm.gif 

is there any chance a fund still do good, while global bear is ongoing?
Fund manager have to be very picky about what they pick i think .  hmm.gif
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Don't need to look far...

Not to say I boasting...just to prove a point... notworthy.gif

Past 1 year plus KLSE churned out negative annual return... doh.gif

But my stocks portfolio gave me 18% annualised return for the past 3 years wink.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 27 2015, 10:37 AM
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post Jul 27 2015, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 27 2015, 10:36 AM)
Don't need to look far...

Not to say I boasting...just to prove a point... notworthy.gif

Past 1 year plus KLSE churned out negative annual return... doh.gif

But my stocks portfolio gave me 18% annualised return for the past 3 years wink.gif
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hmmm

So the gist is.

Choose correct fund management. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 27 2015, 10:41 AM)
hmmm

So the gist is.

Choose correct fund management.  notworthy.gif
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As I've always said...

When u buy UT, u are "buying" the fund manager's skills, NOT buying the market (u buy the "market" when u buy ETF)

So, index high and/or fund NAV price high may not matter, if the fund manager is good.

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 27 2015, 10:44 AM
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post Jul 27 2015, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 27 2015, 10:41 AM)
hmmm

So the gist is.

Choose correct fund management.  notworthy.gif
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hmm.gif also there are these consideration too
General Market Risk
Any purchase of securities will involve some element of market risk. Hence, a unit trust fund may be prone to changing market conditions as a result of:

global, regional or national economic developments;
governmental policies or political conditions;
development in regulatory framework, law and legal issues
general movements in interest rates;
broad investor sentiment; and
external shocks (e.g. natural disasters, war and etc.)

Risk of Non-Compliance
This refers to the current and prospective risk to the unit trust fund and the investors’ interest arising from non-conformance with laws, rules, regulations, prescribed practices and internal policies and procedures by the manager.

Manager’s Risk
The performance of any unit trust funds is dependent amongst others on the experience, knowledge, expertise and investment techniques/process adopted by the manager and any lack of the above would have an adverse impact on the fund’s performance thereby working to the detriment of Unit holders.

and more....
https://www.cimb-principal.com.my/Investor_...rust_Funds.aspx

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post Jul 27 2015, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 26 2015, 10:54 PM)
Damn,,,...  drool.gif  drool.gif

I wanna enter also leh.... rclxub.gif

so many funds i mau enter.
no moolah to enter lol.
Hmm.... xuzen.... question.

when i open the charts and put 5 years or 10 years. the growth gradient is positive all the way.

One can take it as

1) Fund management is good. Consistent growth over the years. Extrapolating would mean continued growth. Probably.

2) it's so farking high!, Correction might happen. Global bear time? Every 7 or 10 years.

Any comments ar?
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My Maggi Mee cepat dimasak, sedap dimakan answer:

The fund manager is good. I attended her talk... she is good!

The 3 year annualised rtn is 33.38% p.a. The standard deviation is 17.04% p.a. The YTD performance is 20.81%.

What this means is that the fund is now currently in her usual performance. You only need to worry when the YTD hits 50% return! As at this juncture, she has a lot of legs to move upwards. Hence... go forth and enrich thyself!

I am doing DCA for small cap since mid 2013. I never sold her, even though I have long sold my fav Lee Sook Yee wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif fund since Qtr4Yr2014.

Xuzen

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 27 2015, 10:36 AM)
Don't need to look far...

Not to say I boasting...just to prove a point... notworthy.gif

Past 1 year plus KLSE churned out negative annual return... doh.gif

But my stocks portfolio gave me 18% annualised return for the past 3 years wink.gif
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Bro, please pm me your private bank account number. I would like you to manage my funds. biggrin.gif

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